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I've been interested in Erat for a while. He's a big body with decent hands and a good 2-way game. He's been solid everywhere but Washington. I'd be happy with adding him as a depth forward.
Hanzal + Erat
Hanzal + Erat
He's been far from a good 2-way player since leaving Nashville. And too many of the same 1-dimensional players if we add Erat.
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I think Miller gets traded. It's obvious AV doesn't like him. Even Torts didn't like him. My guess is he's gone by the deadline
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Erat has been Arizona's best ES forward this year.
But he's a total systems player, he thrives on slow teams that are physical and play hard on the boards. He'd fit in with Boston or Los Angeles more.
What do you mean Torts didn't like him?
Torts consistently gave him playing time even when it was clear Miller wasn't an NHL player.
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I know I'm not the most popular poster on this board but c'mon trading Duclair for Hanzal? 
C'mon gang, this is not the Esposito or even post-94 Neil Smith era Rangers.
Luckily Sather and Gordon aren't that gullible.
Martin Hanzal is not going to magically fix the Rangers matchup issues with Tampa, Islanders, or Bruins.
This team is not one piece away from going back to the Cup Final. A lot has to go right.
Duclair as a 19-year-old looked pretty good at the NHL level for his brief stint. He's going to hit 50 point minimum once he matures. You don't trade that on an ELC for two years of an injury prone 40-point player.
C'mon gang, this is not the Esposito or even post-94 Neil Smith era Rangers.
Luckily Sather and Gordon aren't that gullible.
Martin Hanzal is not going to magically fix the Rangers matchup issues with Tampa, Islanders, or Bruins.
This team is not one piece away from going back to the Cup Final. A lot has to go right.
Duclair as a 19-year-old looked pretty good at the NHL level for his brief stint. He's going to hit 50 point minimum once he matures. You don't trade that on an ELC for two years of an injury prone 40-point player.
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I know I'm not the most popular poster on this board but c'mon trading Duclair for Hanzal?
C'mon gang, this is not the Esposito or even post-94 Neil Smith era Rangers.
No, this is the 2015 Rangers.
A 6' 6" center that's a defensive stalwart that can score will do nothing to help this team to the stanley cup? Mhm, okay.
You can literally copy and paste this for every team in the league.
Calling Hanzal just an injury prone 40 point player is flat out stupid.
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Eh, I'd think AV would give him about the same ES time as Brassard. You also have the option of putting him against top lines, and getting Stepan's line more room and more offensive chances.
Hayes will still have plenty of value as a winger. If the deal is right, I have no problem getting Hanzal.
See above.
I understand the concern, but he's exactly what we are missing, literally to a "t". I would go as far as to say he'd make our forward group a top 5 one in the league. He's still a young guy too at 27.
Eh, I'd think AV would give him about the same ES time as Brassard. You also have the option of putting him against top lines, and getting Stepan's line more room and more offensive chances.
Hayes will still have plenty of value as a winger. If the deal is right, I have no problem getting Hanzal.
See above.
I understand the concern, but he's exactly what we are missing, literally to a "t". I would go as far as to say he'd make our forward group a top 5 one in the league. He's still a young guy too at 27.
There is absolutely nothing to suggest AV doesn't like Miller. We've been over this before. It is all speculation. Sure there is a chance that AV does not like Miller... but it is not a big chance.
I will re-iterate what I've said in the past. Alain Vigneault was an enforcer type, heart on his sleeve type players in the AHL. He did not have the talent, unfortunately, to play the game he preaches as a coach. His actions show, through the coaching technique he employs, that if he had had his way, this is the type of hockey he'd prefer to have played - he prefers to watch played by his team. AV, as a player, was very hard nosed. Stuck up for team mates. But he undoubtedly must have aspired to be more than a 4th line enforcer. He likes a smart game that highlights talent. So it's not as far of a stretch to say that perhaps AV the player wished he could play the hard nosed game he played to go along in conjunction with offensive talent.
Which leads me to player A - Ryan Kesler. A hard nosed player, who wears his heart on his sleeve, sticks up for his team mates when needed, AND has offensive talent to add to his repertoire. Enter how AV treated Kesler while a part of his team - short leash, tough love.
When JT Miller was drafted, I watched through as many highlights of him as I could, and immediately wrote that if Miller panned out, that he'd be our very own Ryan Kesler lite. Look at how Miller plays now, hard nosed but undeniable offensive talent.
Is it really that far of a stretch to think that maybe Alain is hard on this particular type of player, because that's the type of player he wanted to be when he was in the league, and never had that ability? That he might see himself, or at least a self he wished he could have been, in these particular players and as such is riding them harder than any other player because that's how he thinks they will succeed.
Miller gets incredible opportunities under AV. 2nd PP unit. He was on the 1st line last night. It's easy to forget that he's only 21. Immature. Not refined in his playing style yet, and probably not in his off ice lifestyle. One of my friends was best friends with Kreider during my time there. When they were both together in the AHL, my friend videochatted w/ both Chris and JT. I asked what JT was like, since I had never spoken to him. She said he seemed like a lot of fun but immature. I'm paraphrasing. He seems to have matured from last year. At 21, he probably still has a ways to go before he really "gets it". But the point is he's making improvements.
So to me, I personally think that any inference or notion that Miller is disliked by the coach is... nonsense.
I will re-iterate what I've said in the past. Alain Vigneault was an enforcer type, heart on his sleeve type players in the AHL. He did not have the talent, unfortunately, to play the game he preaches as a coach. His actions show, through the coaching technique he employs, that if he had had his way, this is the type of hockey he'd prefer to have played - he prefers to watch played by his team. AV, as a player, was very hard nosed. Stuck up for team mates. But he undoubtedly must have aspired to be more than a 4th line enforcer. He likes a smart game that highlights talent. So it's not as far of a stretch to say that perhaps AV the player wished he could play the hard nosed game he played to go along in conjunction with offensive talent.
Which leads me to player A - Ryan Kesler. A hard nosed player, who wears his heart on his sleeve, sticks up for his team mates when needed, AND has offensive talent to add to his repertoire. Enter how AV treated Kesler while a part of his team - short leash, tough love.
When JT Miller was drafted, I watched through as many highlights of him as I could, and immediately wrote that if Miller panned out, that he'd be our very own Ryan Kesler lite. Look at how Miller plays now, hard nosed but undeniable offensive talent.
Is it really that far of a stretch to think that maybe Alain is hard on this particular type of player, because that's the type of player he wanted to be when he was in the league, and never had that ability? That he might see himself, or at least a self he wished he could have been, in these particular players and as such is riding them harder than any other player because that's how he thinks they will succeed.
Miller gets incredible opportunities under AV. 2nd PP unit. He was on the 1st line last night. It's easy to forget that he's only 21. Immature. Not refined in his playing style yet, and probably not in his off ice lifestyle. One of my friends was best friends with Kreider during my time there. When they were both together in the AHL, my friend videochatted w/ both Chris and JT. I asked what JT was like, since I had never spoken to him. She said he seemed like a lot of fun but immature. I'm paraphrasing. He seems to have matured from last year. At 21, he probably still has a ways to go before he really "gets it". But the point is he's making improvements.
So to me, I personally think that any inference or notion that Miller is disliked by the coach is... nonsense.
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Why? Because that's not an accurate assessment of his scoring ability, or because you think that his other attributes outweigh his scoring skill? He's only scored 40 points once, and he hasn't played in more than 65 games in a season in 5 years.
Hanzal has played 1 full season in 7 (8?). There isn't much you can use to suggest he isn't injury prone. He's worse than Gaborik, in that regard.
I really hope not. If he does I could see to Phoenix in a hanzel deal though . Hanzel would add salary and means zuc is gone though
Hanzal has a salary of 3.1 million dollars. Hardly unfittable. Doesn't mean we lose Zucc.
That is absolutely not true. You should probably re-visit some of his quotes on Miller last season.
I've seen the quotes. I like Miller. I hope he succeeds here. They shock me sometimes. But how can you determine what is tough love and dislike? JT has matured this season. He's continuing to get opportunities. Those opportunities don't arise when your boss dislikes you.
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FWIW....Vermette on draws was 13-5 aganst Plekanec today but lost the last two draws in the final minute against him when Habs had the goalie pulled and were trying to tie it up . 
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Hanzal is available. That is different from past years. I see Hanzal play every night and no question I'd include JT any others in a deal for him. Very valuable and affordable long term piece. He would give the Rangers a 3 deep at center they could keep together for years.
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Has there been reports that Phoenix is shopping Hanzal?
Hanzal is available. That is different from past years. I see Hanzal play every night and no question I'd include JT any others in a deal for him. Very valuable and affordable long term piece. He would give the Rangers a 3 deep at center they could keep together for years.
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Has there been reports that Phoenix is shopping Hanzal?
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There was a report that AZ is willing to listen on anyone but Doan, but nothing that I know of about Hanzal directly
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I have no clue what happend to Erat in Washington.
He was a very good player for the Czech Rep and Nashville for a long time, but the guy I saw in Washington wasn't nearly as good as he was a year or two before that. I've not seen him this year, how's he doing? Something is off here though.
I'd imagine that Phx is looking to shop anyone but OEL. He's a guy you can build around long term.
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