Speculation: 2014-15 Ducks trade proposals/speculation Part V

[kenabnrmal]

I don't. Kesler isn't exactly the type of player that makes the players around him better.

Someone can probably dig up the numbers to prove or disprove this statement, but I heartily disagree...Vancouver was a much more dangerous team with Kesler healthy than not...he plays a power game, but has great vision and touch. He'll be worth far more than the 20-30 goals he'll be good for.

 

[Static]

I don't even know what that means. Doesn't make players around him better? How would anyone appreciably know that.

 

[Duck Off]

mentioned it in the lineup thread as well. Not sure which thread is more relevant as these two are similar, but according to Strickland, we're close to signing Maroon to an extension.

 

[Ducksforcup]

mentioned it in the lineup thread as well. Not sure which thread is more relevant as these two are similar, but according to Strickland, we're close to signing Maroon to an extension.

Fantastic news...he has really grown into a reliable player for Anaheim. Big, strong, and willing to drive the net consistently. Can also play with the twins effectively.

Def. Bargain Basement Bob hit pay dirt with that trade.

 

[salsa man]

I don't buy that he has no playmaking ability.

His most common wingers in 2014 were Higgins and Jensen. Not exactly Silfverberg, Etem, or Palmieri in terms of skill.... He has never had good wingers to play with. When he is in the Olympics I think he plays a great playmaking game.

I didn't say he has no playmaking ability, and I probably shouldn't have said "he doesn't make the players around him better", because that's a bit misleading. What I meant to say was he isn't the type of player that will skyrocket the numbers of his linemates the way a guy like Getzlaf or Thornton might. If they play Cogliano with Kesler (for example), I don't see Cogs becoming a 30 goal scorer or anything like that.

I don't see anybody having a "huge jump in production" because of Kesler.

 

[salsa man]

Someone can probably dig up the numbers to prove or disprove this statement, but I heartily disagree...Vancouver was a much more dangerous team with Kesler healthy than not...he plays a power game, but has great vision and touch. He'll be worth far more than the 20-30 goals he'll be good for.

I never said Kesler wasn't a great player.

 

[anezthes]

I admit that I didn't know much about Giordano prior to last season. In one trade proposal CGY fans were asking for Theodore, Noesen, 1st and Allen/Stoner (cap dump). To me, that's just insane. Granted, he had a great season last year, but his career numbers aren't all that impressive IMO. Since you can't really evaluate a player based on stats alone (what?), could someone fill me in why he's supposedly worth that much?

Career stats (all with the Flames):

Season     GP  G   A   PTS +/- 

2005-2006  7   0   1   1   2
2006-2007  48  7   8   15  7
2008-2009  58  2   17  19  2
2009-2010  82  11  19  30  17
2010-2011  82  8   35  43  -8
2011-2012  61  9   18  27  0
2012-2013  47  4   11  15  -7
2013-2014  64  14  33  47  12

 

[Elvs]

I admit that I didn't know much about Giordano prior to last season. In one trade proposal CGY fans were asking for Theodore, Noesen, 1st and Allen/Stoner (cap dump). To me, that's just insane. Granted, he had a great season last year, but his career numbers aren't all that impressive IMO. Since you can't really evaluate a player based on stats alone (what?), could someone fill me in why he's supposedly worth that much?

Career stats (all with the Flames):

Season     GP  G   A   PTS +/- 

2005-2006  7   0   1   1   2
2006-2007  48  7   8   15  7
2008-2009  58  2   17  19  2
2009-2010  82  11  19  30  17
2010-2011  82  8   35  43  -8
2011-2012  61  9   18  27  0
2012-2013  47  4   11  15  -7
2013-2014  64  14  33  47  12

Stoner was just signed so he won't be traded. Allen barely has any trade value at all. At this point, Noesen probably isn't worth much either. It's basically two late 1st round picks (assuming the Ducks finish high again) and a b level prospect for Giordano.

He's basically a more skilled Francois Beauchemin. Terrific all around defenseman who can skate, defend and shoot the puck. He can eat minutes and competes like a warrior. With his recent career year, of course his value is gonna be high. I don't think Theodore, Noesen, a 1st round pick and Allen (dump) is far off.

 

[Paul4587]

Yep, I would make that trade in a heartbeat.

 

[George Binks]

I admit that I didn't know much about Giordano prior to last season. In one trade proposal CGY fans were asking for Theodore, Noesen, 1st and Allen/Stoner (cap dump). To me, that's just insane. Granted, he had a great season last year, but his career numbers aren't all that impressive IMO. Since you can't really evaluate a player based on stats alone (what?), could someone fill me in why he's supposedly worth that much?

Career stats (all with the Flames):

Season     GP  G   A   PTS +/- 

2005-2006  7   0   1   1   2
2006-2007  48  7   8   15  7
2008-2009  58  2   17  19  2
2009-2010  82  11  19  30  17
2010-2011  82  8   35  43  -8
2011-2012  61  9   18  27  0
2012-2013  47  4   11  15  -7
2013-2014  64  14  33  47  12

Sounds good to me

 

[KaseMeOutside]

I admit that I didn't know much about Giordano prior to last season. In one trade proposal CGY fans were asking for Theodore, Noesen, 1st and Allen/Stoner (cap dump). To me, that's just insane. Granted, he had a great season last year, but his career numbers aren't all that impressive IMO. Since you can't really evaluate a player based on stats alone (what?), could someone fill me in why he's supposedly worth that much?

Career stats (all with the Flames):

Season     GP  G   A   PTS +/- 

2005-2006  7   0   1   1   2
2006-2007  48  7   8   15  7
2008-2009  58  2   17  19  2
2009-2010  82  11  19  30  17
2010-2011  82  8   35  43  -8
2011-2012  61  9   18  27  0
2012-2013  47  4   11  15  -7
2013-2014  64  14  33  47  12

i would do it before they could change their minds

 

[George Binks]

i would do it before they could change their minds

Better call bob

 

[91Fedorov]

Better call bob

I just did. Bob said no, we already signed Stoner. He seemed pretty firm about it too.

 

[George Binks]

I just did. Bob said no, we already signed Stoner. He seemed pretty firm about it too.

Seemed too good to be true

 

[Exit Dose]

Stoner was just signed so he won't be traded. Allen barely has any trade value at all. At this point, Noesen probably isn't worth much either. It's basically two late 1st round picks (assuming the Ducks finish high again) and a b level prospect for Giordano.

He's basically a more skilled Francois Beauchemin. Terrific all around defenseman who can skate, defend and shoot the puck. He can eat minutes and competes like a warrior. With his recent career year, of course his value is gonna be high. I don't think Theodore, Noesen, a 1st round pick and Allen (dump) is far off.

He's also a King killer. Like Paul, I would do it without question.

 

[AngelDuck]

We have 8 healthy defenseman. Murray has already taken himself out of the running for an upgrade on the blueline as it stands right now. Things can change and i hope they do by the deadline

 

[Gliff]

I'm assuming Boston was asking for our 1st+ since they got 2 2nds from NYI. Not upset we passed then.

 

[terranraida]

Apparently ducks had interest in Boychuck, but the islanders got him for three draft picks.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

was the asking price really "too high" if that's what it cost for boychuk? can't help but think having both allen and stoner on the roster impacted our ability to get him

 

[Vipers31]

was the asking price really "too high" if that's what it cost for boychuk? can't help but think having both allen and stoner on the roster impacted our ability to get him

I don't see how. That price seems indeed pretty high for a guy like him on the last year of his contract. I personally would gladly have stepped back from the bidding if it would have cost us DSP/Palmieri/Silfverberg or a 1st, and I don't see another way of beating the price the Isles paid. It just doesn't seem like sensible asset management to me as I don't believe Boychuk makes a huge difference for us, nor do I really want to extend him for what he can probably ask for on the open market.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Two 2s doesn't seem that high. I'm willing to bet, the price to us was one of Silf/Etem/DSP and a 2.

 

[alcolol]

My gut tells me at least one of Palmieri, Etem, DSP, or Silfverberg end the season on a team other than the Ducks.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

My gut tells me at least one of Palmieri, Etem, DSP, or Silfverberg end the season on a team other than the Ducks.

Depending upon the return, it wouldn't break my heart.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Why do people want to trade palms over dsp and silf, blows my mind dsp had a good playoff run but he was playing with Getzlaf and Perry other than that he just another grinder that is lazy at times...

Our team needs skill we are filled with grinders

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Palms has plenty of lazy in him too. He's hardly earned a permanent spot anywhere. For the right deal I'll drive him to the airport. I'm fine trading any of those guys for the right deal.