Speculation: 2013-14 Trade Talk IV Fixing the Defense ‎

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I wanted to get an honest, general estimate of how much you would expect for a guy like Chiasson.


Rene Bourque
David Desharnais
Daniel Briere
Josh Gorges
Brian Gionta
Douglas Murray
Louis LeBlanc

are all on the block, obviously I don't expect this to get it done; David Desharnais has 20 points in his last 25 games or so and would be a great fit with Cole.

All picks are available, If anything here doesn't interest you just let me know!

Cheers!

Not interested in any of your midgets but Gorges is of interest though I'm not sure the value on him. Tinordi is a guy that really interests me as well.

Chiasson is a blue chip NHL ready prospect. You'll have to give something like that on a defensive level back. That would be Beaulieu. Dallas wouldn't be interested in any of those scraps.

There aren't a lot of good pieces in there but they aren't all scraps. Josh Gorges is a good NHL defenseman who can actually play defense. Nothing too sexy but he is exactly the type of defenseman this team needs. Not sure how Chiasson and he line up value-wise though. It depends one's definition of "blue chip" but that's not a phrase I throw around and I don't rate Chiasson as a blue chip prospect.

It would be a poor management decision to not sell certain pieces if they would return a potential part of the future.

Yep, this team falls in the same category as those early Nieuwendyk teams when he was apparently held back from dealing veterans. If they are old and their contracts are expiring, for the most part they should be traded.
 

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Would anyone like be interested in Eberle,because Edmonton is going to pull off a trade.The question is how much do they want?He's not the best defensive forward,but he's decent.
 

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Would anyone like be interested in Eberle,because Edmonton is going to pull off a trade.The question is how much do they want?He's not the best defensive forward,but he's decent.

I have an irrational hate against Eberle, so I would question my Stars fandom is he ever played for us. :laugh:
 

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Bruce Garrioch again mentioned in his rumor column that teams are interested in Whitney and Fiddler.

In a chat with fans on ESPN, Craig Custance doesn't believe the Washington Capitals will need to do anything drastic. He thinks they'll pursue a Top 4 D, won't have to give up a player like Green, and if Nill is willing he thinks Trevor Daley is a good target.

Saying these three games have no impact is a bit silly. We've said all along where Dallas is in the standings will have the biggest impact on how they approach the deadline. 1-8-1 doesn't change that, and neither does wins against MIN, TOR, and PIT.

Less than a week ago:
“We’re in a competitive business, and our goal is to make the playoffs,’’ he said. “It would be huge for this organization to get into the playoffs this year, so we go into every game doing everything we can to win that game. That’s the focus, and we put a lot of work into it.’’

However, he added that he can’t focus solely on the game-to-game play.

“I do look at wining every game, I look at all of the issues that goes into that and what we can do better,’’ he said. “But I also have to look at big picture, and so it is a little different for me. We need to win, but we can’t win at all costs.’’

Nill used an example that he could trade his draft picks right now to acquire players that could help the Stars lineup, and that the team has the cap space to pull a trade like that. But is now the time to add an older player that another team is trying to dump, especially if that older player has some term on his contract?

Dallas is now 5 points back, and the 2 teams ahead of them (PHX and VAN) have worse records over the last 10 games than Dallas). There's no doubt in my mind that Dallas' sell off is impacted by where they are on March 5th. It would be pretty silly to assume that doesn't matter.

I still think regardless of points back or standings, Dallas will seriously shop Robidas, Whitney, and Fiddler. The impact the standings will have is on guys like Garbutt, Cole, Daley, etc.

I'd be less confident they move Robidas if Dallas does get to 2 or 3 points back or better from the playoffs, but my gut feeling is he's gone. They likely have little hope of re-signing him, his return could be significant, and they have demonstrated they can play without him. If the current 7 can hold up, his potential return is probably too great to pass.

Whitney is just average .... plain and simple. He's looked better at times, but I can't see justifying him remaining on the roster over Colton Sceviour moving forward. Like Robidas, you know you have a replacement ready to go. I doubt we'll see him much longer.

Fiddler is questionable. He's a mainstay on the PK, but with Jamie Benn getting more time, you might already have a guy to take over that short handed ice time. With Seguin and Eakin's line pretty much locked in, Dallas should feel comfortable with Peverley and Horcoff at center if they move Fiddler. My guess if teams really are willing to give a 2nd or better, he's gone. If he's worth less, he probably stays.

Despite Garbutt's solid play this year, he probably still doesn't have a ton of value in the trade market. He'll be one of the guys not trade IMO if they are still close to the 8th spot. His value to Dallas is greater than the probably insignificant asset he's worth on the market ... even if that means losing him for nothing in the summer (I assume it does). He's honestly turning into a guy that's pretty similar to Nystrom. Didn't command much at the deadline, but teams were willing to over pay in free agency. I guess we'll see with him, but at 28 years old he's going to try and cash in and potentially price himself out of Dallas' budget.

This team is really ridiculous and unpredictable. No one in their right mind could have predicted 1-8-1, and this mini run comes out of no where. Hopefully they'll be more consistent moving forward, but my guess is they'll continue to have huge swings of great and awful play. I just hope we don't have to endure another 10 game stretch with 1 win ... that was miserable.

Like I said though, I do think they're still poised to sell off most of the free agents, but they could find better deals for the other guys in the off-season likely. More teams will have space, and every team will be looking to re-make their roster rather than a handful of playoff teams.

I do wonder if Dallas will look to the waiver wire for some more depth. If both Whitney and Fiddler are moved, Jeffrey is back in as a regular. Usually some good players with expiring contracts hit waivers around the deadline.

Benn-Seguin-Nuchushkin
Roussel-Eakin-Garbutt
Cole-Peverley-Sceviour
Jeffrey/Waivers-Horcoff-Chiasson

PK Pairs: Eakin-Roussel; Peverley-Benn ; Horcoff-Garbutt

PP: Cole-Benn-Chiasson/Nuke-Seguin-Goligoski
PP: Horcoff/Sceviour-Eakin-Chiasson/Nuke-Peverley-Gonchar
 

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Not interested in any of your midgets but Gorges is of interest though I'm not sure the value on him. Tinordi is a guy that really interests me as well.



There aren't a lot of good pieces in there but they aren't all scraps. Josh Gorges is a good NHL defenseman who can actually play defense. Nothing too sexy but he is exactly the type of defenseman this team needs.

I'll back track and agree on Gorges. Kind of skimmed over the list and missed him. I'd definitely take him.

Would anyone like be interested in Eberle,because Edmonton is going to pull off a trade.The question is how much do they want?He's not the best defensive forward,but he's decent.


I'd love Eberle in Dallas. Would Chiasson and fillers get it done?

Definitely interested in acquiring Eberle. Unfortunately we don't really have the pieces to do that. Edmonton is in the same boat as us in needing a top pairing defenseman - Eberle is their ticket. One of their possible tickets anyways. They also need some size in their top 6, and Chiasson would give them that but it would take more. And not fillers. They'd probably be looking at Dillon.
 

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would you guys be interested in

To Dal: Markov and LeBlanc

To Mtl: Chiasson and a conditional 2nd (turns to a 1st if he resigns, can be 14' or 15')
 

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would you guys be interested in

To Dal: Markov and LeBlanc

To Mtl: Chiasson and a conditional 2nd (turns to a 1st if he resigns, can be 14' or 15')

Not really interested in LeBlanc. We're not in a position to be trading 1st rounders, and Chiasson's value is probably equal to a signed Markov.
 

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Absolutely not. Trading a rookie for someone as old as Markov would really set the team back, and I'm as down on Chiasson as anyone here.
 

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would you guys be interested in

To Dal: Markov and LeBlanc

To Mtl: Chiasson and a conditional 2nd (turns to a 1st if he resigns, can be 14' or 15')

Not even a little bit. LeBlanc hasn't show enough consistency in the pros and Markov is getting up there in age. We are trying to build a young core, not trying to acquire veteran stopgaps (even if they are as good as Markov). If we are trading with you guys I would much prefer that our management looks at Tinordi.
 

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would you guys be interested in

To Dal: Markov and LeBlanc

To Mtl: Chiasson and a conditional 2nd (turns to a 1st if he resigns, can be 14' or 15')

That would kind of be like you taking Gonchar and Scott Glennie for Eller and a 1st or 2nd. Something like that anyways. No thanks. No offense.
 

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doing this to kane?

ok


and can score and gives awesome effort on defense?


offer the tyke
 

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Question since you follow them. Didn't they let him go for a little bit not too long ago? If so, I was curious why? I assume money.

Money and Torts. Despite him being extremely effective the season before, Torts would not use him in an offensive role and didn't trust him defensively. He basically was a shootout specialist in Torts' eyes, despite being the only player who could make a pass on the team. For a guy who left the SEL to play in the NHL, being demoted to the AHL for 40 games because his coach wouldn't let him use his creativity wasn't a big allure.

Sather convinced him to come back halfway through the KHL season, and Torts finally started using him correct (plus he developed and grew as a player in his own right). But it's no coincidence he's blossomed into a legit top 6 player under AV, who's letting him play his game.
 
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I just noticed PHX is now calling up Conner Murphy again, and David Rundblad has sat out the last 2 games after playing 1 for the first time in over 10.

PHX fans seem really high on Rundblad, and if he was just a 23 year old guy sitting behind veterans, I'd have an easier time buying that he'd be expensive to acquire. Now here is Murphy again jumping up to play ahead of him, and when Murphy does play, he gets more responsibility and minutes than Rundblad.

I just really think things add up to him begin cheaper than some PHX fans are claiming, but IDK. I know I'd rather have him than say a 3rd for Whitney, and IDK that Whitney has the ability to land you a 2nd. Truth be told though, he'd be way down my list of options if I'm PHX or anyone else. There are better rentals available.
 

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A SJ fan on the trade forum mentioned Whitney for Freddie Hamilton + a 3rd. As far as value goes, that's probably better than just Rundblad IMO. IDK if SJ would really give that up.

Hamilton is far from special, but IMO he's a Cody Eakin starter kick with probably a bit less offense (he does currently lead Worcester with 12 goals and 22 points in 31 games). He could though immediately replace Fiddler, making it easier for Nill to potentially flip Vern for even more assets and not feel like he's weakening the roster too much.

Just trying to think from Nill's POV ... Robidas for future doesn't hurt Dallas' playoff shot because the team already survived a big part of the season without him, Whitney can be replaced by Sceviour, and Fiddler by Hamilton.

Dallas could potentially sell and still compete like SJ did last season.

As much as my gut still feels they end up missing the playoffs, I do think Nill would like the idea of adding pieces that could play now and keep the team competitive if he's going to sell.
 

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This is pretty rare ... I don't recall many times that Mark has passed on which scouts were attending the game:

Mark Stepneski ‏@StarsInsideEdge

Scouts at tonight's Stars-Avalanche game: St. Louis, NY Rangers, Winnipeg, Detroit, Anaheim
 
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All of those with the exception of maybe Winnipeg would seem to be buyers.

Something I hadn't really put much thought into until now is that with Nill being in Dallas will the old unofficial Detroit trade embargo go away? He knows their system better than anybody so if we ended up making a trade of some kind with them and got a prospect in return I would have to feel pretty good about it.
 

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All of those with the exception of maybe Winnipeg would seem to be buyers.

Something I hadn't really put much thought into until now is that with Nill being in Dallas will the old unofficial Detroit trade embargo go away? He knows their system better than anybody so if we ended up making a trade of some kind with them and got a prospect in return I would have to feel pretty good about it.

Yeah it's pretty common for that to happen. TB has made some trades with Detroit IIRC, and these GM just have guys they like. Look at Tallon in Florida. He adds a ton of his old Chicago guys when he gets the chance including draft picks he made like Skille and Olsen among others.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if Nill went after guys he helped draft and believes in.
 
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Yeah it happens quite a bit. I think with Detroit moving conferences that makes it even more likely. I'm not going to make too much of Wings scouts being at one of our games but what do we think they would be in the market for? They've had a ton of guys out on the back end, would they be looking for a guy like Robidas or Daley, or are they more likely interested in adding one of the vet forwards?
 

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Heika mentioned the scouts as well. Like Mark he doesn't do that often.

A fan is claiming they saw Steve Tambellini in the building ... former EDM GM is now a scout for Anaheim.
 
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