Speculation: 2013-14 Free Agent, Trades, and Proposals (including Leafs Props)

[Daisy Jane]

I don't see how we trade Gardiner unless it's for something long term at a good cap hip (ala: JVR, but I think that one is one in a million). I personally don't move him unless we 100 percent had to, and (ha ha joke aside) it's for next year's #1 pick (Hellooooo McDavid).

 

[Beleafer4]

JVR is finally showing us what he can do at 24, and he's a forward (they develop faster).

We need patience with gardiner

 

[mix1home]

Come on man, the two skaters are no more spare parts then the Leafs that I listed. If I posted that on the main boards it would be Boz and Reims that would be classified as the spare parts, maybe even Gards. They have value and would improve our team over the next couple of years.

I'm sorry, but Reimer alone worth 2C + 2nd. Couterier is main piece there in your deal from Phili side and he is not even 2C on BAD Phili team.

Mason has negative value and Coburn is meh - bad slow D on bad team. All three of them not worth one Gardiner. No way!

Reimer will bring back nice return if we decide to trade him. Bozak is worth something like 2nd too.

 

[Tyler Biggs*]

Gardiner 17th overall pick and Kadri top 10 will be just fine. Kadri 3pts in 3 games, Gardiner +1. Give them time, we are fairly deep this year, others can step up when guys are struggling.

 

[mix1home]

Grass isn't always greener on the other side. Just ask Holmgren.

Gardiner is the best young player in the deal, Reimer is the best goalie, and Bozak right now is a fantastic 2 way C, faceoff specialist. If we did the above deal, we'd be opening up way more holes than we'd be filling.

Also, we don't need Coburn. We need a legit #1 C, or a Legit #2 defenseman. We don't need anything in between, we have lots of those as it is.

Exactly. Thank you!

We will pay way too much in this deal. Why would we help Phili out of their troubles? That team is in disarray - players, especially defense, and management wise. I'm all for taking advantage if they decide to go into rebuild mode because, clearly, what whey built so far does not work.

 

[DD03]

I'd give up Gardiner to get Pavelski.

 

[mix1home]

To San Jose: Gardiner

To Toronto: Tomas Hertl
Sounds like just the player Caryle would want. BUT I think the price would be higher than just Gardiner.

Hm... Isn't Tomas Hertl plays wing for Sharks? I think he is kind of long away from playing C in NHL on first line where we need him. And we should be very careful trading with Sharks.

 

[mix1home]

JVR is finally showing us what he can do at 24, and he's a forward (they develop faster).

We need patience with gardiner

JVR was nothing short of spectacular this year so far. I frankly could not believe what I saw. Great powerful skating, crashing the net, switching sides with Kessel - if what we see is what we get from him and he delivers it consistently - we are for a treat this season.

And Gardiner was money last year in playoffs along with Franson. Lock those two up for decade on the same pair. Dion-MR. Then Gunnar, Percy, Blacker, MacWilliams, Fraser. We have dept on D like very few teams in NHL.

 

[Leidi J]

Hm... Isn't Tomas Hertl plays wing for Sharks? I think he is kind of long away from playing C in NHL on first line where we need him. And we should be very careful trading with Sharks.

Tomas Hertl is a center. He's only playing wing because we have too many centers. I suspect when Thornton eventually retires, Hertl will be our #1/#2 center with Couture... or Pavelski. Hell, we'll still have too many centers. Oh well.

anyways, carry on...

 

[IBeL34f]

I'm sorry, but Reimer alone worth 2C + 2nd. Couterier is main piece there in your deal from Phili side and he is not even 2C on BAD Phili team.

Mason has negative value and Coburn is meh - bad slow D on bad team. All three of them not worth one Gardiner. No way!

Reimer will bring back nice return if we decide to trade him. Bozak is worth something like 2nd too.

They may be a bad team, but that has nothing to do with a lack of solid centermen. When you've got Claude Giroux and Vinny Lecavalier in front of you, it's kind of hard to steal a top-6 spot.

 

[bansheebeat]

To San Jose: Gardiner

To Toronto: Tomas Hertl



Sounds like just the player Caryle would want. BUT I think the price would be higher than just Gardiner.

I know San Jose fans love this guy, so I'm assuming he probably would cost more (haven't seen him play). But it is an interesting idea. San Jose gets a possible Boyle replacement in Gardiner at the cost of Hertl, but they do still have Couture and Pavelski down the middle for the next 6 years.

First, trading Gardiner right now is crazy. Our D is still a year or two away from making a player like that expendable. Second, as a SJ fan, I have to say there's no way Hertl is moved at this point. SJ has one of the best young defensive corps in the league and have kept Burns at forward because of how much they need (young) secondary scoring. It'll take a massive overpayment to pry young top-6 forwards from SJ, arguably more than from any other team given the amount of top picks they've traded away in recent years.

 

[namttebih]

I'm sorry, but Reimer alone worth 2C + 2nd. Couterier is main piece there in your deal from Phili side and he is not even 2C on BAD Phili team.

Mason has negative value and Coburn is meh - bad slow D on bad team. All three of them not worth one Gardiner. No way!

Reimer will bring back nice return if we decide to trade him. Bozak is worth something like 2nd too.

2C and a 2nd?I'm sorry but that's homerism at it's best. We wouldn't even get Bo Horvath for him.

Couturier plays on a team with 3 other very good C. He is defensively sound, hasn't found his O game yet but guess what...he's only 20 years old. 20.

Coburn is a good defensive Dman and while slow do you know who isn't? Reilly.

Mason does have negative value yes but we need a backup do we not?

 

[namttebih]

Grass isn't always greener on the other side. Just ask Holmgren.

Gardiner is the best young player in the deal, Reimer is the best goalie, and Bozak right now is a fantastic 2 way C, faceoff specialist. If we did the above deal, we'd be opening up way more holes than we'd be filling.

Also, we don't need Coburn. We need a legit #1 C, or a Legit #2 defenseman. We don't need anything in between, we have lots of those as it is.

Couturier is also a 2 way guy but is 7 years younger than Bozak with much higher upside.
Coburn is much closer to a #2 than anyone on our roster

 

[pspot]

Couturier is also a 2 way guy but is 7 years younger than Bozak with much higher upside.
Coburn is much closer to a #2 than anyone on our roster

and has size

Kadri needs to improve his FO %, so does and Bolland and for discussion so does Couturier so I don't see an issue with having theme all in the top 9....especially at the rate in which Cs are thrown out of the circle

 

[pooleboy]

Exactly. Thank you!

We will pay way too much in this deal. Why would we help Phili out of their troubles? That team is in disarray - players, especially defense, and management wise. I'm all for taking advantage if they decide to go into rebuild mode because, clearly, what whey built so far does not work.

because we could get a player to play on the top line sean couterier and have 2 very high potential top 6 c on our roster. We take out the pieces we dont necessarily need and insert others... tbh i just want couterier for gardiner but what do we do with bozak? so thats why i made it bigger.

 

[theIceWookie]

And for Gardiner, no way to trade him. We should really keep him, if I was the GM he would be close to untouchable. He's a great young defenseman with an awesome potential. Big fan and really high on him.

But if we trade him, the players I'd like are Couturier, Grigorenko, Coyle, Gudbranson, Eberle, O'Reilly, Strome, Scheifele, Monahan/Poirier+, Chiasson/Ritchie+, Zibanejad+, Domi+/Samuelsson+Stone+, Killorn+, etc. Nothing less.

Still, build around him, do not trade him.

Agreed, it would have to be a very good deal to move him. Anyone thinking that his value is lower because of some perceived distrust of him by Carlyle, is fooling themselves.

I'm with you, build around him. But if you trade him, you need a building piece that is equal in potential for him. Couturier would certainly fit that definition. O'Reilly might if it wasn't for his gigantic QO that would make things very very difficult for us next summer. Monahan would but if the Flames wouldn't trade him for Seguin, they won't trade him for Gardiner. Scheifele could fit that. Strome...maybe. Not sure about anyone else though. Eberle doesn't fit with Kessel and Clarkson taking the two RW in the top 6. I'm wary of trading for a player like Gudbranson. And to me, the rest are either not talented enough, or don't fit any established need we have.

I think the most likely is Couturier straight up.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Agreed, it would have to be a very good deal to move him. Anyone thinking that his value is lower because of some perceived distrust of him by Carlyle, is fooling themselves.

I'm with you, build around him. But if you trade him, you need a building piece that is equal in potential for him. Couturier would certainly fit that definition. O'Reilly might if it wasn't for his gigantic QO that would make things very very difficult for us next summer. Monahan would but if the Flames wouldn't trade him for Seguin, they won't trade him for Gardiner. Scheifele could fit that. Strome...maybe. Not sure about anyone else though. Eberle doesn't fit with Kessel and Clarkson taking the two RW in the top 6. I'm wary of trading for a player like Gudbranson. And to me, the rest are either not talented enough, or don't fit any established need we have.

I think the most likely is Couturier straight up.

Nonis signs Bozak to a long term deal only to get Kessel locked up, then turns around to package Bozak with Gardiner for an upgrade?

Genius...

 

[dubplatepressure]

Agreed, it would have to be a very good deal to move him. Anyone thinking that his value is lower because of some perceived distrust of him by Carlyle, is fooling themselves.

I'm with you, build around him. But if you trade him, you need a building piece that is equal in potential for him. Couturier would certainly fit that definition. O'Reilly might if it wasn't for his gigantic QO that would make things very very difficult for us next summer. Monahan would but if the Flames wouldn't trade him for Seguin, they won't trade him for Gardiner. Scheifele could fit that. Strome...maybe. Not sure about anyone else though. Eberle doesn't fit with Kessel and Clarkson taking the two RW in the top 6. I'm wary of trading for a player like Gudbranson. And to me, the rest are either not talented enough, or don't fit any established need we have.

I think the most likely is Couturier straight up.

Eberle would move Clarkson to the 3rd line easily. Gudbrandson is really solid - wonder how he looks so far this season. I dont see Couturier deal happening...

 

[Silver91]

because we could get a player to play on the top line sean couterier and have 2 very high potential top 6 c on our roster. We take out the pieces we dont necessarily need and insert others... tbh i just want couterier for gardiner but what do we do with bozak? so thats why i made it bigger.

I think it would be quite funny if we ended up dealing Gardiner for Coutourier, if only for the fact that it would be similar to JVR for Schenn. Also, it would make Philly our forward farm team lol

But yeah, if somehow that deal were to happen, Jake for Coutourier, he could stay on a line with Kadri for now until we had to decide on Bozak/Bolland (if we can sign Bolland then trade Bozak or keep Bozak and let Bolland walk. Would definitely give us a deep top 9

JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Bolland - Raymond
Coutourier - Kadri - Clarkson
Devane/McLaren - McClemment - Orr/Ashton

Wouldn't that be a beautiful sight?

 

[Chandrashekhar Limit]

I'd give up Gardiner to get Pavelski.

Every Leaf fan would

The Sharks and the NHL won't though:

1)Unless we ship out Bozak, or find a way to dump Liles it doesn't work cap wise.

2)Value wise, we need to add big time. Pavelski is DOPE.

 

[Muston Atthews]

I was just thinking about this when I was reading the gardiner speculation thread. I've never done a fantasy proposal before but the idea of trading gardiner for a top centre got me thinking. Let know if you think this is a fair deal, or lop sided in favour of one team.

Stamkos for Gardiner, Kadri, Kulemin + 1st.

Our line up would look like:

JVR-Stamkos-Kessel
Lupul-Bozak-Clarkson
Ashton-Bolland-Raymond
McLaren-McClement-Orr

Extra: Bodie

Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Franson-Rielly
Fraser-Ranger

Bernier
Reimer

Do you think this makes us a better team or does it take away one of our biggest strengths, depth. Do you think it's fair at all? I'm just spitballing here

 

[theIceWookie]

Eberle would move Clarkson to the 3rd line easily. Gudbrandson is really solid - wonder how he looks so far this season. I dont see Couturier deal happening...

Why would you put 5.25 million on the third line. You want to have almost 20 million dollars tied up in our three top RW's?

Not going to happen

 

[A1LeafNation]

JVR(4.25) ________ Kessel(8)
Lupul(5.25) Kadri(2.9) Clarkson(5.25)
Kulemin(3.5) Bolland(3.5) Leivo(0.925)
McLaren(0.7) McClemment(2) Ashton(0.9)
Devane(0.6)

Rielly(1.744) Girardi(5)
Ranger(1.5) Phaneuf(6.5)
Fraser(2) Franson(4)
Percy(1.076) Granberg(0.9)

Bernier(2.9)
Reimer(4)

Team Payroll(64.925)
Salary Cap(70)
Cap Space(6.075)

Trade Liles for anything.
Trade Orr for a 3rd.
Trade Gunnarsson, Bozak, Gardiner for an upgrade at Center

 

[BIitz]

I'd give up Gardiner to get Pavelski.

If we could somehow get Pavelski..

 

[Chandrashekhar Limit]

Girardi will get about 6.