2012 Partial Redraft - Feedback

[jfhabs]

Tom wilson is way too high... he should be closer to 33-36 imo

 

[BinCookin]

Tom wilson is way too high... he should be closer to 33-36 imo

Ya I put him pretty high, as he seems to be really good in several areas which probably count as "intangibles" but tell that to caps fans. they love tom wilson.

 

[jfhabs]

Ya I put him pretty high, as he seems to be really good in several areas which probably count as "intangibles" but tell that to caps fans. they love tom wilson.

Yes, he's on a talented team that does need his sand paper more than they need "extra" talent. If I'm building a team from the ground there's a bunch of guys from this draft I would take before him.

 

[BinCookin]

Sorry i cant seem to update data once i copy it into a table on this message board so apologies for my updates being long:

Altered positions for Faksa/Wilson/Hinostroza/Yakupov

Num.	Player	GP	G	A	Pts	Pts / GP
1	Filip Forsberg	331	117	138	255	0.770392749
2	Shayne Gostisbehere	220	37	113	150	0.681818182
3	Hampus Lindholm	371	42	101	143	0.385444744
4	Jacob Trouba	326	34	95	129	0.395705521
5	Morgan Rielly	388	31	140	171	0.440721649
6	Colton Parayko	242	19	84	103	0.425619835
7	Mathew Dumba	310	44	84	128	0.412903226
8	Jaccob Slavin	227	15	69	84	0.370044053
9	Matt Murray	111	0	3	3	0.027027027
10	Andrei Vasilevskiy	155	0	4	4	0.025806452
11	Connor Hellebuyck	149	0	2	2	0.013422819
12	Alex Galchenyuk	418	108	147	255	0.610047847
13	Tomas Hertl	328	81	89	170	0.518292683
14	Teuvo Teravainen	278	55	95	150	0.539568345
15	Frederik Andersen	257	0	7	7	0.027237354
16	Tanner Pearson	308	69	74	143	0.464285714
17	Alexander Kerfoot	79	19	24	43	0.544303797
18	Olli Maatta	302	24	69	93	0.30794702
19	Colin Miller	185	19	51	70	0.378378378
20	Brady Skjei	169	9	55	64	0.378698225
21	Mike Matheson	165	17	27	44	0.266666667
22	Tom Wilson	391	35	69	104	0.265984655
23	Andreas Athanasiou	172	43	33	76	0.441860465
24	Josh Anderson	159	37	27	64	0.402515723
25	Cody Ceci	366	25	67	92	0.25136612
26	Chris Tierney	284	41	63	104	0.366197183
27	Damon Severson	279	18	75	93	0.333333333
28	Radek Faksa	204	34	44	78	0.382352941
29	Vince Hinostroza	106	13	26	39	0.367924528
30	Nail Yakupov	350	62	74	136	0.388571429
Num.	Player	GP	G	A	Pts
31	Ryan Murray	264	12	60	72	0.272727273
32	Connor Brown	171	35	35	70	0.409356725
33	Jimmy Vesey	159	33	22	55	0.34591195
34	Charles Hudon	78	10	24	34	0.435897436
35	Joonas Korpisalo	63	0	0	0	0
36	Zemgus Girgensons	348	44	57	101	0.290229885
37	Ben Hutton	207	6	44	50	0.241545894
38	Jake McCabe	215	10	37	47	0.218604651
39	Mikhail Grigorenko	217	22	42	64	0.294930876
40	Cedric Paquette	236	27	23	50	0.211864407
41	Devin Shore	167	24	41	65	0.389221557
42	Esa Lindell	157	13	32	45	0.286624204
43	Jordan Martinook	247	26	39	65	0.263157895
44	Scott Laughton	190	19	28	47	0.247368421
45	Colton Sissons	190	22	25	47	0.247368421
46	Erik Gustafsson	76	5	25	30	0.394736842
47	Brock McGinn	158	26	24	50	0.316455696
48	Derrick Pouliot	138	5	31	36	0.260869565
49	Matt Benning	135	9	27	36	0.266666667
50	Adam Pelech	131	6	25	31	0.236641221
51	Mark Jankowski	73	17	8	25	0.342465753
52	Martin Frk	70	11	14	25	0.357142857
53	Jujhar Khaira	94	12	12	24	0.255319149
54	Jake Dotchin	83	3	19	22	0.265060241
55	Seth Griffith	79	8	11	19	0.240506329
56	Phil Di Giuseppe	126	13	24	37	0.293650794
57	Connor Carrick	167	9	21	30	0.179640719
58	Joseph Blandisi	71	8	18	26	0.366197183
59	Brendan Leipsic	64	6	19	25	0.390625
60	Pontus Aberg	68	5	13	18	0.264705882
61	Matt Grzelcyk	63	3	12	15	0.238095238

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[PAZ]

I know you're trying to account for their accomplishments so far, but Yakupov and Kerfoot are too high. Kerfoot just before Vesey, Yakupov right after.

Personally think Murray should be right after Rielly, but not a huge deal.

 

[BinCookin]

I know you're trying to account for their accomplishments so far, but Yakupov and Kerfoot are too high. Kerfoot just before Vesey, Yakupov right after.

Personally think Murray should be right after Rielly, but not a huge deal.

Ya ive been playing around with where to put the goalies I started Murray at 1, i might have over compensated down.
I feel Murray/Helle/Vasi all very close

Ya Kerfoot only has this year for me to work with, but he produced very well... lucky maybe, i could probably move him down.

Ideally my rankings should roughly reflect trade value to some extent.

 

[PAZ]

Ya ive been playing around with where to put the goalies I started Murray at 1, i might have over compensated down.
I feel Murray/Helle/Vasi all very close

I agree they're all close, but if you're putting weight onto their accomplishments what Murray has done should be considered. He's already won 2 cups and a proven performer in the playoffs.

 

[Spotty 2 Hotty]

I was thinking i might have had Faksa too low, i haven't watched him much.

You also have Lindell too low, especially since you have Shore listed so high when he is probably one of the worst forwards on the Dallas roster not named Ritchie.

 

[Advanced stats]

Dumba plays 25 minutes a game as Wild's #1 D

In those games he has average 0.8 ppg

Dumba not being in any top 10 re-draft list is criminal. This used to be Parayko and Slavin

He's good, but he's never averaged even close too 25 minutes a night over a season.
Just trying to keep some honesty here

 

[BinCookin]

You also have Lindell too low, especially since you have Shore listed so high when he is probably one of the worst forwards on the Dallas roster not named Ritchie.

LOL touche.

Lets just say doing a poll based redraft took me weeks to get to pick 20. So im going with my above average fantasy hockey and real hockey knowledge set. But once i get to 3rd/4th liners and AHL tweeners... it gets pretty tough.

I figure best way to get feedback is post it, and have people point out the big mistakes. So thanks for that. It all helps me adjust.

 

[Spotty 2 Hotty]

LOL touche.

Lets just say doing a poll based redraft took me weeks to get to pick 20. So im going with my above average fantasy hockey and real hockey knowledge set. But once i get to 3rd/4th liners and AHL tweeners... it gets pretty tough.

I figure best way to get feedback is post it, and have people point out the big mistakes. So thanks for that. It all helps me adjust.

No worries. If you don't see Shore play and just look at point totals he doesn't look too bad, but that plus minus is a solid, glaring indicator when you compare it to the rest of the team. -30 this year....yikes. lol.

 

[CBJx614]

How is yakupov above Murray? Murray is a top 4 Dman putting up 20 minutes a night on a playoff team..

 

[BinCookin]

Is Murray top 4?

Or is that just recently with Jack johnson out of favor?

 

[McDLT]

Rielly should be at least a top 3 in a re-draft.

Top-1 even

 

[CBJx614]

Is Murray top 4?

Or is that just recently with Jack johnson out of favor?

Murray gets all heavy minutes after Jones.

PK and late game is all Murray.

Murray being healthy (combined with Cole) is the reason Johnson is a healthy scratch. Even Nuttivara(14 min) is in over JJ.

 

[BinCookin]

ok ill bump up murray

 

[BinCookin]

Num.	Player	GP	G	A	Pts	Pts / GP
1	Filip Forsberg	331	117	138	255	0.770392749
2	Shayne Gostisbehere	220	37	113	150	0.681818182
3	Morgan Rielly	388	31	140	171	0.440721649
4	Hampus Lindholm	371	42	101	143	0.385444744
5	Jacob Trouba	326	34	95	129	0.395705521
6	Matt Murray	111	0	3	3	0.027027027
7	Colton Parayko	242	19	84	103	0.425619835
8	Mathew Dumba	310	44	84	128	0.412903226
9	Jaccob Slavin	227	15	69	84	0.370044053
10	Andrei Vasilevskiy	155	0	4	4	0.025806452
11	Connor Hellebuyck	149	0	2	2	0.013422819
12	Alex Galchenyuk	418	108	147	255	0.610047847
13	Tomas Hertl	328	81	89	170	0.518292683
14	Teuvo Teravainen	278	55	95	150	0.539568345
15	Frederik Andersen	257	0	7	7	0.027237354
16	Tanner Pearson	308	69	74	143	0.464285714
17	Alexander Kerfoot	79	19	24	43	0.544303797
18	Olli Maatta	302	24	69	93	0.30794702
19	Colin Miller	185	19	51	70	0.378378378
20	Brady Skjei	169	9	55	64	0.378698225
21	Mike Matheson	165	17	27	44	0.266666667
22	Ryan Murray	264	12	60	72	0.272727273
23	Tom Wilson	391	35	69	104	0.265984655
24	Andreas Athanasiou	172	43	33	76	0.441860465
25	Josh Anderson	159	37	27	64	0.402515723
26	Cody Ceci	366	25	67	92	0.25136612
27	Chris Tierney	284	41	63	104	0.366197183
28	Damon Severson	279	18	75	93	0.333333333
29	Radek Faksa	204	34	44	78	0.382352941
30	Vince Hinostroza	106	13	26	39	0.367924528
Num.	Player	GP	G	A	Pts
31	Nail Yakupov	350	62	74	136	0.388571429
32	Connor Brown	171	35	35	70	0.409356725
33	Jimmy Vesey	159	33	22	55	0.34591195
34	Charles Hudon	78	10	24	34	0.435897436
35	Joonas Korpisalo	63	0	0	0	0
36	Esa Lindell	157	13	32	45	0.286624204
37	Zemgus Girgensons	348	44	57	101	0.290229885
38	Ben Hutton	207	6	44	50	0.241545894
39	Jake McCabe	215	10	37	47	0.218604651
40	Mikhail Grigorenko	217	22	42	64	0.294930876
41	Cedric Paquette	236	27	23	50	0.211864407
42	Devin Shore	167	24	41	65	0.389221557
43	Jordan Martinook	247	26	39	65	0.263157895
44	Scott Laughton	190	19	28	47	0.247368421
45	Colton Sissons	190	22	25	47	0.247368421
46	Erik Gustafsson	76	5	25	30	0.394736842
47	Brock McGinn	158	26	24	50	0.316455696
48	Derrick Pouliot	138	5	31	36	0.260869565
49	Matt Benning	135	9	27	36	0.266666667
50	Adam Pelech	131	6	25	31	0.236641221
51	Mark Jankowski	73	17	8	25	0.342465753
52	Martin Frk	70	11	14	25	0.357142857
53	Jujhar Khaira	94	12	12	24	0.255319149
54	Jake Dotchin	83	3	19	22	0.265060241
55	Seth Griffith	79	8	11	19	0.240506329
56	Phil Di Giuseppe	126	13	24	37	0.293650794
57	Connor Carrick	167	9	21	30	0.179640719
58	Joseph Blandisi	71	8	18	26	0.366197183
59	Brendan Leipsic	64	6	19	25	0.390625
60	Pontus Aberg	68	5	13	18	0.264705882
61	Matt Grzelcyk	63	3	12	15	0.238095238

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[KaseMeOutside]

Hampus Lindholm 6th is really bad

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

I try not to be to much of a homer, but Lindell has done really well playing top pairing minutes for two years. It's a little puzzling having him so low.

 

[MR4]

As much as he is unpopular for not becoming a #1 C, he still scores alot 0.6 pts per game. But you could be right, maybe all those D are much better? I don't know.. i needed help, thats why i posted

Rielly had a .68 per game this season lol (at least you've changed it since)

I personally think you are severely underrating how good Rielly has been and he's becoming a #1 Defenseman. He was originally drafted 5th overall after playing 18 regular season games and 5 playoff games in the WHL during his draft year, so he did something to warrant being a top 5 pick. You don't think a team like the Islanders regrets selecting Griffin Reinhart at 4th overall considering that Rielly was on the board and available.

Yep. But he is a #1D already by all metrics other than TOI/game which is Babcock's fault not Rielly's.

Excluding goalies:

Forsberg
Lindholm
Rielly
Parakyo
Trouba
Slavin
Ghostisbehere
Galchenyuk

Drop off

Everyone else.

Very accurate, I could argue Rielly > Lindholm but I think that's the definite top 3 so no point in arguing over positioning.

BinCookin, you have Shane Ghostiberere way too high man. He definitely puts up points but that's his role as an OFD, he's not even playing 1st line competition, ask any Philly fan and they'll say Provorov is their #1D, not Ghost.

 

[BinCookin]

^^ that is fair, i may have gostis too high.

 

[BinCookin]

this should be approaching more of a consensus.

Num.	Player	GP	G	A	Pts	Pts / GP
1	Filip Forsberg	331	117	138	255	0.770392749
2	Morgan Rielly	388	31	140	171	0.440721649
3	Hampus Lindholm	371	42	101	143	0.385444744
4	Jacob Trouba	326	34	95	129	0.395705521
5	Matt Murray	111	0	3	3	0.027027027
6	Shayne Gostisbehere	220	37	113	150	0.681818182
7	Colton Parayko	242	19	84	103	0.425619835
8	Mathew Dumba	310	44	84	128	0.412903226
9	Jaccob Slavin	227	15	69	84	0.370044053
10	Andrei Vasilevskiy	155	0	4	4	0.025806452
11	Connor Hellebuyck	149	0	2	2	0.013422819
12	Alex Galchenyuk	418	108	147	255	0.610047847
13	Tomas Hertl	328	81	89	170	0.518292683
14	Teuvo Teravainen	278	55	95	150	0.539568345
15	Frederik Andersen	257	0	7	7	0.027237354
16	Tanner Pearson	308	69	74	143	0.464285714
17	Alexander Kerfoot	79	19	24	43	0.544303797
18	Olli Maatta	302	24	69	93	0.30794702
19	Colin Miller	185	19	51	70	0.378378378
20	Brady Skjei	169	9	55	64	0.378698225
21	Mike Matheson	165	17	27	44	0.266666667
22	Ryan Murray	264	12	60	72	0.272727273
23	Tom Wilson	391	35	69	104	0.265984655
24	Andreas Athanasiou	172	43	33	76	0.441860465
25	Josh Anderson	159	37	27	64	0.402515723
26	Cody Ceci	366	25	67	92	0.25136612
27	Chris Tierney	284	41	63	104	0.366197183
28	Damon Severson	279	18	75	93	0.333333333
29	Radek Faksa	204	34	44	78	0.382352941
30	Esa Lindell	157	13	32	45	0.286624204
Num.	Player	GP	G	A	Pts
31	Vince Hinostroza	106	13	26	39	0.367924528
32	Nail Yakupov	350	62	74	136	0.388571429
33	Connor Brown	171	35	35	70	0.409356725
34	Jimmy Vesey	159	33	22	55	0.34591195
35	Charles Hudon	78	10	24	34	0.435897436
36	Joonas Korpisalo	63	0	0	0	0
37	Zemgus Girgensons	348	44	57	101	0.290229885
38	Ben Hutton	207	6	44	50	0.241545894
39	Jake McCabe	215	10	37	47	0.218604651
40	Mikhail Grigorenko	217	22	42	64	0.294930876
41	Cedric Paquette	236	27	23	50	0.211864407
42	Devin Shore	167	24	41	65	0.389221557
43	Jordan Martinook	247	26	39	65	0.263157895
44	Scott Laughton	190	19	28	47	0.247368421
45	Colton Sissons	190	22	25	47	0.247368421
46	Erik Gustafsson	76	5	25	30	0.394736842
47	Brock McGinn	158	26	24	50	0.316455696
48	Derrick Pouliot	138	5	31	36	0.260869565
49	Matt Benning	135	9	27	36	0.266666667
50	Adam Pelech	131	6	25	31	0.236641221
51	Mark Jankowski	73	17	8	25	0.342465753
52	Martin Frk	70	11	14	25	0.357142857
53	Jujhar Khaira	94	12	12	24	0.255319149
54	Jake Dotchin	83	3	19	22	0.265060241
55	Seth Griffith	79	8	11	19	0.240506329
56	Phil Di Giuseppe	126	13	24	37	0.293650794
57	Connor Carrick	167	9	21	30	0.179640719
58	Joseph Blandisi	71	8	18	26	0.366197183
59	Brendan Leipsic	64	6	19	25	0.390625
60	Pontus Aberg	68	5	13	18	0.264705882
61	Matt Grzelcyk	63	3	12	15	0.238095238

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[Kcb12345]

Would put Lindell and Faksa in the top 20-25 personally. Would take them over a good chunk of guys ahead of them. Slavin should be ranked closer to Lindell too. He'd probably be in my 15-20 range. Not top 10

 

[bottomofthefoodchain]

Your top 2 is.... wrong