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That's just bust.
Fine by me.
Not giving up Miller or Kreider for anything less.
That's just bust.
Fine by me.
Not giving up Miller or Kreider for anything less.
Yet again, Nash is not worth Vatanen in any possible way.How about Nash not Miller
Ducks have a forward to move back that makes a descent amount ?
Short of you finding another PG to deal with, no one is giving you a defenseman with franchise upside for either of those players.
Hahahahahaha right. Because Lindholm isn't overhyped by ducks fans.
Very good player, but franchise defenseman? Now you're putting him on a level Doughty, Weber, Subban, Keith, Karlsson and the like?
Give me a break.
Hahahahahaha right. Because Lindholm isn't overhyped by ducks fans.
Very good player, but franchise defenseman? Now you're putting him on a level Doughty, Weber, Subban, Keith, Karlsson and the like?
Give me a break.
You seem to have taken a long enough break already. That is his upside. That is not considered a controversial statement around the league.
Maybe have a peak at the countless Lindholm threads from the off season and you'll realize it's more than just Ducks fans who hold him in that regard. There's no forward on your team who gets you within a sniff of acquiring Lindholm.
Upside. He's not at that level.
Go ahead and argue that all you want, but he's not and not close.
Again, a very good defenseman, but not on THAT level.
That's fine by me, I would never trade the price that you would pay for a true elite defenseman for a guy who isn't there yet and may never get there.
He's not Keith, Doughty, Karlsson, Hedman, Weber or anyone else on that level.
He's very good, not saying he's bad, but you're prognosticating upside and trying to sell off something for a price tag that it simply doesn't warrant yet. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. I don't know.
However, I can tell you one thing... Right now, he's not.
But he does has franchise dman upside, which is what Exit Dose said.
No one is saying he is currently at their level, most around here would agree he has the potential to get there. Hence the use of the term "defenseman with franchise upside".
Yet again, Nash is not worth Vatanen in any possible way.
If a guy like Miller is not coming back then there's just no trade here.
I understand that.
What I've stated is that you're asking for the price that one would pay for someone on that level, which isn't going to work.
With all of this said, it's a moot point as Anaheim isn't looking to trade him and I don't blame them.
Stepan for Martinez+
OR
Stepan+ for Muzzin
I have no clue what buchnevich value but would something around him for edler work.
Yet again, Nash is not worth Vatanen in any possible way.
If a guy like Miller is not coming back then there's just no trade here.
Stepan for Martinez+
OR
Stepan+ for Muzzin
Stepan for Martinez+
OR
Stepan+ for Muzzin
Just sign Shattenkirk in the off-season.
Are you interested in Alex Edler? Good #3 D. Canucks needs are draft picks and young forwards.
Shattenkirk alone won't make us an elite Defense. Also, we need help THIS season if we want to get anywhere.
You spelled Nash wrong.
I don't think the Rangers would go after Martinez, for...reasons.
Something around Stepan and Muzzin would be very interesting though. I heard a couple months ago that Muzzin has been having a down year, is that still the case?