Post-Game Talk: #19 | Flames at Flyers | November 21, 2022 | 7:00 PM |

[Magua]

Would like to know how Morin, and Stewart contribute to player development. Other than teaching guys about “effort”

(I'm more than okay with giving Morin a chance to move beyond his devastating playing career. He's the equivalent of an intern; on a human level, it's good stuff.)

 

[FlyerNutter]

(I'm more than okay with giving Morin a chance to move beyond his devastating playing career. He's the equivalent of an intern; on a human level, it's good stuff.)

You’ve gotten weak in your old age

 

[deadhead]

Lappy is right, the kids have to know how to fight, not that they should be looking for one, but if someone jumps them, don't want them to take a half dozen sucker punches and just stand there looking stupid. A guy like Ginning is going to find himself in bad situations in scrums around the net.

Flyers played hard all game, they were just outnumbered, the problem isn't skating, they got to the puck on a regular basis, but they just don't have enough players with the ability to handle the puck in crowded areas and make good quick shots. So they consistently created opportunities that went nowhere - and Calgary played a tough checking game - giving them little time to make plays.

People knock Cates as a center? Frost was horrible tonight, his line was completely dominated, while Sedlak manages to win with Deslauriers and Bellows on his wings. Right now I'd take Cates over Frost at center, Cates is smarter, has better hands in traffic, and should continue to improve with experience. Frost has speed, but he rarely uses it to advantage. Even Brown, with Willman and Laczynski at wing, outplayed the Frost line.

Seeler - Risto was our best defensive pair, Seeler keeps improving, I expect them to ask him to piss into a cup, while Risto showed something I haven't seen, instead of running around trying to hit people all night, he was using his stick and reach to break up plays - maybe Shaw is the horse whisperer?

Hart had a meh game, gave up a couple goals on good but not unstoppable shots to start then shut the door the rest of the way. Two empty net goals after a hot flurry where they almost tied the game resulted in a deceiving final score.

They're going to struggle, if/when they get TK, JVR and Laughton back, they'll be a middle of the pack team, as they can move out Willman, Brown and Bellows/Laczynski. Bellows has played better the last couple games, but he's still on the bubble. Laczynski had a nice deflection goal, but he's also on the bubble. And both may be in LHV if Allison makes it back. Unless they can take their game up a notch to jump ahead of MacEwen.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I saw that. He said exactly that

This gets to 17 games now. Game 18 is vs Yotes, our next win.

Oh yeah, like I said in the GDT the caps are the only team that worries me, it might be hard to lose two to them.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

I want them to shatter the record for consecutive losses tbh, we need a high draft pick in this draft, to bad we don't have a 2nd Round pick.....

Don't worry. We can trade TK or Farabee for one (with perhaps another nice grinder coming back our way to sweeten the pot) at the draft.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Lappy is right, the kids have to know how to fight, not that they should be looking for one, but if someone jumps them, don't want them to take a half dozen sucker punches and just stand there looking stupid. A guy like Ginning is going to find himself in bad situations in scrums around the net.

Flyers played hard all game, they were just outnumbered, the problem isn't skating, they got to the puck on a regular basis, but they just don't have enough players with the ability to handle the puck in crowded areas and make good quick shots. So they consistently created opportunities that went nowhere - and Calgary played a tough checking game - giving them little time to make plays.

People knock Cates as a center? Frost was horrible tonight, his line was completely dominated, while Sedlak manages to win with Deslauriers and Bellows on his wings. Right now I'd take Cates over Frost at center, Cates is smarter, has better hands in traffic, and should continue to improve with experience. Frost has speed, but he rarely uses it to advantage. Even Brown, with Willman and Laczynski at wing, outplayed the Frost line.

Seeler - Risto was our best defensive pair, Seeler keeps improving, I expect them to ask him to piss into a cup, while Risto showed something I haven't seen, instead of running around trying to hit people all night, he was using his stick and reach to break up plays - maybe Shaw is the horse whisperer?

Hart had a meh game, gave up a couple goals on good but not unstoppable shots to start then shut the door the rest of the way. Two empty net goals after a hot flurry where they almost tied the game resulted in a deceiving final score.

They're going to struggle, if/when they get TK, JVR and Laughton back, they'll be a middle of the pack team, as they can move out Willman, Brown and Bellows/Laczynski. Bellows has played better the last couple games, but he's still on the bubble. Laczynski had a nice deflection goal, but he's also on the bubble. And both may be in LHV if Allison makes it back. Unless they can take their game up a notch to jump ahead of MacEwen.

They do not need to know how to fight. You do not need to defend every dumb thing the team does.

 

[BiggE]

They do not need to know how to fight. You do not need to defend every dumb thing the team does.

Maybe they can bring back that guy from Norway to teach them how to block shots with their nutsacks and AMac to teach them the proper way to starfish.

 

[DancingPanther]

The road to 55

 

[Beef Invictus]

Maybe they can bring back that guy from Norway to teach them how to block shots with their nutsacks and AMac to teach them the proper way to starfish.

Really focus on the core set of bad hockey skills. What a blow on that front to lose Gordon and his aimless pick flinging

 

[Fire Tortorella]

Maybe they can bring back that guy from Norway to teach them how to block shots with their nutsacks and AMac to teach them the proper way to starfish.

Patrick Thorensen!

Lasse Kukkonen is also a shit blocking blast from the past.

 

[flyersnorth]

Here's the list I was talking about. Hrudey said the Flyers' poor 1st round drafting is one reason why they are where they are.

NHL goals scored by Flyers' 1st rounders since 2016.

Rubtsov, 0
Patrick, 32
Frost, 9
Farabee, 48
O'Brien, 0
York, 3
Foerster, 0
Gauthier, 0

Total, 92.

Other teams over the same period -

Devils, 184
Rangers, 133
Canadiens, 132
Sabres, 114
Canes, 191
Hawks, 52 (DeBrincat at #39 overall has 165)

 

[macleish1974]

The Flyers are fun....you never know which way they will lose.

 

[Crescent Street]

With the goalie pulled they actually had some decent chances. But those chances came from players who don't have the skill or IQ required to actually put the puck in the net. It's like a peewee team who gives a 110% but it doesn't really amount to anything because they're stacked with the kids no one wanted.

 

[tucson83]

Here's the list I was talking about. Hrudey said the Flyers' poor 1st round drafting is one reason why they are where they are.

NHL goals scored by Flyers' 1st rounders since 2016.

Rubtsov, 0
Patrick, 32
Frost, 9
Farabee, 48
O'Brien, 0
York, 3
Foerster, 0
Gauthier, 0

Total, 92.

Other teams over the same period -

Devils, 184
Rangers, 133
Canadiens, 132
Sabres, 114
Canes, 191
Hawks, 52 (DeBrincat at #39 overall has 165)

foerster and gauthier havent played yet in nhl, jury is out on york but he could improve into a top 4, he's still young but i agree with the rest.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Of all the dumb moves over the last few years, Yandle still sticks out like a sore thumb as evidence of what this org is really about. Do a solid for a dudebrah. You could include Stewey in the mix, but Yandle was more blatant. You're putting a team out there to supposedly "compete". And you add this guy???

Calling him cooked was a gross understatement. At least Amac could still skate when we wasn't tripping over the lines. Yandle was on the ice last year because of a favor. #Ironman my ass

Yandle was the last* in a long, long ,line of solids for this org.

TLdr: this org values the wrong things. Or at least overvalues outdated things





*hopefully

Waits for the AA NHL contract and callup...

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[flyersnorth]

foerster and gauthier havent played yet in nhl, jury is out on york but he could improve into a top 4, he's still young but i agree with the rest.

Yeah, I'm guessing they included the most recent draft in the list because at least one of those guys is in the NHL (Slafkovsky)?

Foerster is in the minority of 2020 1st round picks that has not played an NHL game (9 players).

I think the point was just to show that by and large, the Flyers' 1st round picks have not only been mediocre.... there have been some flat out busts. Rubstov, Patrick (though for different reasons), O'Brien. That's 3 of 8 1st rounders.

Unless York really blossoms, he will be compared to what the Flyers could have had (Caufield).

Gauthier is projected as a middle sixer / 3rd liner by half a dozen hockey draft projections.

Same for Foerster. He projects as a middle-sixer (though Dobber Prospects sees him as 40+ goal scorer).

Hopefully those guys surprise on the upside.

 

[Flyer lurker]

They do not need to know how to fight. You do not need to defend every dumb thing the team does.

Goal scoring nah
positioning in d zone nope

When we need is zac attack's how to use your face school of fighting. Few have mastered this class. But some like Zac have learned this valuable skill. Lets talk to Marvis Frazier. How has using your face to fight helped you in life. ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR AAAAAAAAAAAAA mouths dribbles.

Act now and you too can receive the best of kojak, rockford files, and charlie's angels.

LET'S DO THE FLYERS TIME WARP AGAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

 

[renberg]

Officially in the bottom 10!!!

Road to bottom 5 here we come!

It’s hard to believe that there are worse teams in the League than this bunch.

 

[landsbergfan]

Here's the list I was talking about. Hrudey said the Flyers' poor 1st round drafting is one reason why they are where they are.

NHL goals scored by Flyers' 1st rounders since 2016.

Rubtsov, 0
Patrick, 32
Frost, 9
Farabee, 48
O'Brien, 0
York, 3
Foerster, 0
Gauthier, 0

Total, 92.

Other teams over the same period -

Devils, 184
Rangers, 133
Canadiens, 132
Sabres, 114
Canes, 191
Hawks, 52 (DeBrincat at #39 overall has 165)

Goals only count if they're scored by 1st rounders? By the way every team on that list purposefully tanked, and the Hurricanes are one of the best teams in the league at acquiring and using draft capital. They've scored the most on that list and its only 3 players (Svech, Jarvis, Necas)

It is a lazy argument IMO. Not only does it ignore who else they might've drafted at those spots, but it also ignores development of the players, and ignores the fact that we wouldn't be talking about the missed draft picks if the front office didnt have their heads up their asses.

The wasted picks to trade up for Ratcliffe, the wasted picks to get rid of Ghost and acquire Ristolainen, the waste of picks when Fletcher tried to get back a "player that was ready", the waste of picks to get DeAngelo. That's even worse because it doesn't even give them a chance to get a good player.

Right now, and it was the same issue under Hextall, the biggest issue is that they're too afraid to just say we suck and tank. Every team on that list has either done so or is in the process of doing it.

 

[landsbergfan]

The Canes 3 best players were drafted in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round

 

[flyersnorth]

Goals only count if they're scored by 1st rounders? By the way every team on that list purposefully tanked, and the Hurricanes are one of the best teams in the league at acquiring and using draft capital. They've scored the most on that list and its only 3 players (Svech, Jarvis, Necas)

It is a lazy argument IMO. Not only does it ignore who else they might've drafted at those spots, but it also ignores development of the players, and ignores the fact that we wouldn't be talking about the missed draft picks if the front office didnt have their heads up their asses.

The wasted picks to trade up for Ratcliffe, the wasted picks to get rid of Ghost and acquire Ristolainen, the waste of picks when Fletcher tried to get back a "player that was ready", the waste of picks to get DeAngelo. That's even worse because it doesn't even give them a chance to get a good player.

Right now, and it was the same issue under Hextall, the biggest issue is that they're too afraid to just say we suck and tank. Every team on that list has either done so or is in the process of doing it.

I don't think that graphic was trying to say anything other than the Flyers' 1st round drafting record since 2016 is terrible.

We already know it. And apparently others are noticing too.

The more pressure and the more these things are brought to light by people outside the organization, the better for this organization to realize it is absolutely not on the right track.

 

[landsbergfan]

I don't think that graphic was trying to say anything other than the Flyers' 1st round drafting record since 2016 is terrible.

We already know it. And apparently others are noticing too.

The more pressure and the more these things are brought to light by people outside the organization, the better for this organization to realize it is absolutely not on the right track.

Right, but the problem is that the current group of people in charge are using that period of time as an excuse to say why they are bad, instead of realizing the actual reasons they're bad. Hextall's drafting just made Fletchers leash longer

 

[Curufinwe]

People are down on York, but this team is crying out for a top 4 dman who can QB a PP. It's clearly not Provorov despite the endless chances he's been given.

When he fired the puck into Farabee's legs last night, you really had to laugh.

 

[flyersnorth]

Right, but the problem is that the current group of people in charge are using that period of time as an excuse to say why they are bad, instead of realizing the actual reasons they're bad. Hextall's drafting just made Fletchers leash longer

It's still possible that Fletcher's drafting ends up being good. If one of York, Foerster, or Gauthier can really surprise on the upside, we'll be better for it.

It's the rest of the stuff Fletch does that is awful.

What gets him fired?

 

[Flyer lurker]

It’s hard to believe that there are worse teams in the League than this bunch.

Ducks talent is really bad.

Otherwise unless you have a lousy goalie, that team will have better record than flyers the rest of the year.