Post-Game Talk: #18 | Blue Jackets at Flyers | November 19, 2023 | Win 5-2

[mr4tno]

I could not watch the game but did record it. Is it worth watching? I mean did the Flyers play an entertaining brand of hockey - skating, passing, etc? or was it more lunch pail, gritty and boring - played 5 feet at a time?

 

[WIP CALLER]

I could not watch the game but did record it. Is it worth watching? I mean did the Flyers play an entertaining brand of hockey - skating, passing, etc? or was it more lunch pail, gritty and boring - played 5 feet at a time?

It was better than the jets-bills game that was on at the same time, that’s for sure.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

I have no idea how Jarmo has a job. Columbus is a disaster.

I'll be 100% honest, before the hire of the dark lord, chuckles, I wanted Zito, or jarmo.... sure glad we avoided him now

 

[thedjpd]

I could not watch the game but did record it. Is it worth watching? I mean did the Flyers play an entertaining brand of hockey - skating, passing, etc? or was it more lunch pail, gritty and boring - played 5 feet at a time?

They have been playing this way most of the season.

Only in a couple games where they are out talented (and some even if not) have they had to play a more defensive style.

Folks can’t accept it because “Torts!”

Will they stay good or play this way? No idea. But they have been so far all season.

 

[kudymen]

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[FLYguy3911]

Did we finally replace Niskanen?

Is Sean Walker LA’s version of the Ghost trade?

No. They didn't give up a top 40 pick just to dump him.

 

[BernieParent]

On Snow the Goalie's morning wrap-up following the Carolina win a few days ago, Russ Joy was talking about trading Sean Walker for a 3rd round pick at the trade deadline.

Are you f'ing kidding me? A 3rd round pick? For a RH defenseman playing this well? There can't be a more underrated defenseman in the league right now than Walker. And neither ASF nor Bundy offered any resistance.

If they don't get a 1st round pick, forget it. And they should be trying to extend Walker first and foremost.

The fact that he has an under-the-radar name shouldn't mean more than his play on the ice.

In my inexpert opinion, Walker's value is somewhere between a 1st and a 3rd, but closer at present to the 1st. I'd be leery to pay for his present value due to his injury history and the potential drop-off or reinjury towards the end of the season. However, Walker should be of great interest to teams like Edmonton whose path to a deep playoff run are being derailed by awful team defense.

 

[VladDrag]

If a team offers a first for Walker, there’s no debate, pull the trigger

 

[Curufinwe]

If a team offers a first for Walker, there’s no debate, pull the trigger

 

[BernieParent]

If a team offers a first for Walker, there’s no debate, pull the trigger

"We owe it to our fans / this team" is the new FO anti-rebuild shield.

 

[BillDineen]

"We owe it to our fans / this team" is the new FO anti-rebuild shield.

Almost. From the Athletic:

“If we have a chance to make the playoffs I think that’s great, and I’m not going to hinder that,” Briere said. “But at the same time..we’re going to make the decisions that are best for the future of the organization. Not just get stuck in the moment.

“What does that mean? I don’t know yet. We have to keep in mind too that (we) might have some ideas of what we want to do, but you need a partner to dance with when it comes to assets. … I keep the door open, I keep looking around, I have discussions with a lot of different GMs. It doesn’t mean anything is going to happen. I really don’t know. We’re adjusting as we go along here.”

 

[BernieParent]

Almost. From the Athletic:

“If we have a chance to make the playoffs I think that’s great, and I’m not going to hinder that,” Briere said. “But at the same time..we’re going to make the decisions that are best for the future of the organization. Not just get stuck in the moment.

“What does that mean? I don’t know yet. We have to keep in mind too that (we) might have some ideas of what we want to do, but you need a partner to dance with when it comes to assets. … I keep the door open, I keep looking around, I have discussions with a lot of different GMs. It doesn’t mean anything is going to happen. I really don’t know. We’re adjusting as we go along here.”

Thanks, Bill. I was quoting Briere's boss.

 

[FLYguy3911]

If a team offers a first for Walker, there’s no debate, pull the trigger

Yup. Teams rarely offer a first for these types anymore. Take it and run. Can even make a run at him in free agency if you are so inclined. I just can't imagine a scenario where an in-season extension makes sense. It would have to be a hell of a discount to pass on a first rounder.

He's having a career year in a contract year on the verge of 30 and seeing usage he's never seen before. The career year is 18 games. At a certain point you have to look at the back of his hockey card. It's a solid if not unspectacular player.

 

[GKJ]

Almost. From the Athletic:

“If we have a chance to make the playoffs I think that’s great, and I’m not going to hinder that,” Briere said. “But at the same time..we’re going to make the decisions that are best for the future of the organization. Not just get stuck in the moment.

“What does that mean? I don’t know yet. We have to keep in mind too that (we) might have some ideas of what we want to do, but you need a partner to dance with when it comes to assets. … I keep the door open, I keep looking around, I have discussions with a lot of different GMs. It doesn’t mean anything is going to happen. I really don’t know. We’re adjusting as we go along here.”

It means they’re going to do nothing at the trade deadline.

 

[renberg]

Almost. From the Athletic:

“If we have a chance to make the playoffs I think that’s great, and I’m not going to hinder that,” Briere said. “But at the same time..we’re going to make the decisions that are best for the future of the organization. Not just get stuck in the moment.

“What does that mean? I don’t know yet. We have to keep in mind too that (we) might have some ideas of what we want to do, but you need a partner to dance with when it comes to assets. … I keep the door open, I keep looking around, I have discussions with a lot of different GMs. It doesn’t mean anything is going to happen. I really don’t know. We’re adjusting as we go along here.”

If DB is being honest here with these statements, then he and Tortorella are not on the same page. Torts will pressure for moves to be made in order to make the POs. Look for him to go to Jones and/or Hilferty and circumvent Briere to make what he wants happen.
Sure I like what Torts has done to get better play out of the roster but he's not interested in developing the youth. He's out to win at any expense. Not the right guy for this club at this time.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

In my inexpert opinion, Walker's value is somewhere between a 1st and a 3rd, but closer at present to the 1st. I'd be leery to pay for his present value due to his injury history and the potential drop-off or reinjury towards the end of the season. However, Walker should be of great interest to teams like Edmonton whose path to a deep playoff run are being derailed by awful team defense.

I don’t think Sean Walker has an extensive injury history. Just the one major knee injury & surgery that cost him a season.

We’ve all witnessed how difficult it is to add solid all-around defensemen, particularly with a RH shot. I’m not eager to take a step back & recreate a significant hole by trading Walker from the D if we don’t have to.

The Flyers already have two first rd picks in 2024. Is it really worth removing a key component of their D corps in exchange for a late first round pick?

If they can extend Walker, maybe something around 4 years & $4M per, that’s my first choice. Only if he wants to become a free agent do I trade him.

 

[freakydallas13]

Did we finally replace Niskanen?


No. They didn't give up a top 40 pick just to dump him.

Nor did they pay out the nose to replace him with an inferior player.

 

[pooch]

I don’t think Sean Walker has an extensive injury history. Just the one major knee injury & surgery that cost him a season.

We’ve all witnessed how difficult it is to add solid all-around defensemen, particularly with a RH shot. I’m not eager to take a step back & recreate a significant hole by trading Walker from the D if we don’t have to.

The Flyers already have two first rd picks in 2024. Is it really worth removing a key component of their D corps in exchange for a late first round pick?

If they can extend Walker, maybe something around 4 years & $4M per, that’s my first choice. Only if he wants to become a free agent do I trade him.

In my opinion, it's far more advantageous to have young players on Michkov's timeline than it is to sign a 29 yr old D for 4 years (or whatever the contract would be). He's been really good and I like him as a player, but he's the right player at the wrong time. Let's sell high for once.

 

[pit]

“What does that mean? I don’t know yet. We have to keep in mind too that (we) might have some ideas of what we want to do, but you need a partner to dance with when it comes to assets. … I keep the door open, I keep looking around, I have discussions with a lot of different GMs. It doesn’t mean anything is going to happen. I really don’t know. We’re adjusting as we go along here.”

That paragraph scares the crap out of me because it reminds me of my boss when he has no clue what he is doing, but wants to sound like he is.

Says "I don't know" a bunch, says he is looking around and talking to people, says we're figuring it out as we go along, never says anything of vision or substance.

Maybe it's a smoke and mirror thing Danny is doing for the sake of potential trade partners or maybe he doesn't know exactly what he's doing. I guess we'll see.

 

[Tripod]

We already already 2 1st, we don't need more by trading Laughton and Walker.

An organization that is rebuilding doesn't need 4 1sts.

 

[ponder719]

The Flyers already have two first rd picks in 2024. Is it really worth removing a key component of their D corps in exchange for a late first round pick?

Yes.

 

[FlyTimmo]

We already already 2 1st, we don't need more by trading Laughton and Walker.

An organization that is rebuilding doesn't need 4 1sts.

It is too early in the rebuild for 1st round picks?

 

[FLYguy3911]

Don’t need the first to be this year. Even if it is, you can always trade it for a future one or a player. These are weird arguments.

 

[BernieParent]

I don’t think Sean Walker has an extensive injury history. Just the one major knee injury & surgery that cost him a season.

We’ve all witnessed how difficult it is to add solid all-around defensemen, particularly with a RH shot. I’m not eager to take a step back & recreate a significant hole by trading Walker from the D if we don’t have to.

The Flyers already have two first rd picks in 2024. Is it really worth removing a key component of their D corps in exchange for a late first round pick?

If they can extend Walker, maybe something around 4 years & $4M per, that’s my first choice. Only if he wants to become a free agent do I trade him.

Thanks, GB. I seem to remember that his knee injury was a prominent mention around the trade. And we know that his play will prompt higher use, and more ice time means more wear and tear. Plus, when a player is playing far above what is career has shown, a regression to the mean is more likely, not to mention that he just turned 29, which I don't believe aligns with their realistic timeline.

As for 1st round picks, if the Flyers are not selecting top 5 (top 10?), they will almost certainly have to rely on quantity to land a top line/pairing player.

 

[pit]

Don’t need the first to be this year. Even if it is, you can always trade it for a future one or a player. These are weird arguments.

Did Danny learned from his mentor Chuck that you always trade for a first in the year where the draft class has a worse outlook because then the negotiations go easier and you don't miss out on nap time?