Prospect Info: 17-18 Blues Top Prospect #1
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I agree. I liked what I saw from Walman on Saturday, and then I remembered Dunn is a year younger, put up 45 points in the AHL, can also skate well, and is showing he can play with a little edge.
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Voted for Barbashev, but Dunn is a close second. Barbashev was probably just as impressive this past season in the AHL as Dunn, then handled himself quite nicely in NHL call-up duty. I expect him to take another big step in training camp and make the NHL team when camp breaks, especially with Bergy sidelined.
I think Dunn probably impresses in camp in that regard as well, but Gunnarsson may still be blocking him at that point, though I hope we trade Gunnar to make room for Dunn and clear cap space before American Thanksgiving. In fact, I wouldn't be opposed to rotating Dunn and Walman back and forth from the AHL #1 LD spot and the #3 LD NHL spot throughout the year to get them both some NHL experience. If they're both improving enough to earn full-time NHL duty in 2018-19, that gives us the opportunity to move Bouwmeester next offseason and clear some more space for guys like Fabbri, Edmundson, and some additional help up front if needed.
I think Dunn probably impresses in camp in that regard as well, but Gunnarsson may still be blocking him at that point, though I hope we trade Gunnar to make room for Dunn and clear cap space before American Thanksgiving. In fact, I wouldn't be opposed to rotating Dunn and Walman back and forth from the AHL #1 LD spot and the #3 LD NHL spot throughout the year to get them both some NHL experience. If they're both improving enough to earn full-time NHL duty in 2018-19, that gives us the opportunity to move Bouwmeester next offseason and clear some more space for guys like Fabbri, Edmundson, and some additional help up front if needed.
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Part of me wants to be contrarian, and I can see arguments for several others. But I am going to go Dunn. HM to Barbashev, Walman and Husso.
Well... what do we mean by "best/top"? Do we mean upside? Or do we mean performance to date?
And are we still counting guys like Barbashev, Sanford, Schmaltz, and Binnington who have played NHL games?
I think it's hard to look at our prospect pool and not say Barbashev is at the top right now, because of the progress he made last year, and the fact that he ended the regular season centering Tarasenko and Schwartz. Dunn might be very good one day, but that is something he did not accomplish the defensive equivalent of.
But if we're talking about just straight-up upside, then maybe it's a different conversation, but I still don't see Dunn offering the biggest impact to our team unless he literally reaches his ceiling as Duncan Keith pt II. If we're just talking about upside, I'm going with Kostin.
But if we're talking about a combination of the two, maybe Dunn is the best we've got going for us. Idk, I'm still putting down Barbashev for now.
And are we still counting guys like Barbashev, Sanford, Schmaltz, and Binnington who have played NHL games?
I think it's hard to look at our prospect pool and not say Barbashev is at the top right now, because of the progress he made last year, and the fact that he ended the regular season centering Tarasenko and Schwartz. Dunn might be very good one day, but that is something he did not accomplish the defensive equivalent of.
But if we're talking about just straight-up upside, then maybe it's a different conversation, but I still don't see Dunn offering the biggest impact to our team unless he literally reaches his ceiling as Duncan Keith pt II. If we're just talking about upside, I'm going with Kostin.
But if we're talking about a combination of the two, maybe Dunn is the best we've got going for us. Idk, I'm still putting down Barbashev for now.
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That was my dilemma. Barbashev is the most ready, but I don't think he has top line upside. Defensively responsible 2C is his ceiling. Dunn has star potential. So readiness vs potential vs likelihood to reach potential vs some combination? Its up to the individual voter how you want to rank them, so I don't think there is one right answer here.
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Hi Keeba!
This gets asked every year, and every year the answer is that we each have our own criteria that usually factors in NHL readiness, floor and ceiling, and maybe positional need. There is no way to enforce/impose something more uniform to our voting system. Anyway, its just a fun exercise.
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Hi Keeba!
I thought there would be more votes for Walman here. Training camp is going to be fun this year, because there are some real possibilities for rookies to force their way onto the roster.
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Vince Dunn all day everyday. I haven't been this excited watching a kid come up since I first started watching Parayko in Alaska. Dunn is going to be GOOD.
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This. I love how those on the main board are like who the hell is Vince Dunn. Just like they did with Parayko. Watching Dunn in the AHL this year was like watching Duncan Keith play in Rockford when he first went into the AHL. Plus their styles are so similar. This D-Corps we are going to have is amazing.
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Blues prospect poll result 2004 - 2016 (2005 poll doesn't exist)
Rankings based off 20 ballots cast with total number of points received in parentheses and movement from final poll result:
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2016 poll
1) Vince Dunn (Tie 32.88% - Head-to-head tiebreaker 58%)
2) Ville Husso (Tie 32.88% - Head-to-head tiebreaker 42%)
3) Jake Walman (40.68%)
4) Jordan Schmaltz (56.92%)
5) Ivan Barbashev (55.36%)
6) Tage Thompson (60.00%)
7) Ty Rattie (57.14%)
8) Jordan Kyrou (70.00%)
9) Petteri Lindbohm (56.10%)
10) Jordan Binnington (31.71%)
11) Mackenzie MacEachern (31.82%)
12) Tommy Vannelli (22.50%)
13) Conner Bleackley (26.32%)
14) Dmitri Sergeev (34.15%)
15) Samuel Blais (30.95%)
16) Evan Fitzpatrick (35.90%)
17) Pheonix Copley (33.33%)
18) Austin Poganski (30.77%)
19) Niko Mikkola (34.62%)
20) Adam Musil (38.71%)
21) Filip Helt (38.10%)
22) Luke Opilka (53.33%)
23) Glen Gawdin (35%.00)
24) Nolan Stevens (35.00%)
25) Nikolaj Krag Christensen 52.38%Rankings based off 20 ballots cast with total number of points received in parentheses and movement from final poll result:
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2016 poll (Ballot Tabulation)
1) Walman (470) - Up 2
2) Schmaltz (464) - Up 2
3) Husso (458) - Down 1
4) Dunn (456) - Down 3
5) Thompson (438) - Up 1
6) Kyrou (382) - Up 2
7) Barbashev (379) - Down 2
8) Rattie (375) - Down 1
9) Lindbohm (351) - Even
10) Binnington (253) - Even
11) Sergeev (244) - Up 3
12) MacEachern (242) - Down 1
13) Musil (228) - Up 7
14) Bleackley (207) - Down 1
15) Fitzpatrick (201) - Up 1
16) Vannelli (199) - Down 4
17) Poganski (190) - Up 1
18) Blais (180) - Down 3
19) Mikkola (174) - Even
20) Copley (161) - Down 3
21) Helt (82) - Even
22) Gawdin (62) - Up 1
23) Stevens (46) - Up 1
24) Opilka (44) - Down 2
25) Doty (35) - NR
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2015 poll
1. Fabbri 96.77%
2. Barbashev 47.22%
3. Parayko 47.30%
4. Schmaltz 65%
5. Lindbohm 41.82%
6. Binnington 34.67%
7. Rattie 68%
8. Dunn 51.79%
9. Walman 19.35%
10. Husso 37.25%
11. Edmundson 45.83%
12. Copley 40.63%
13. Vannelli 78.13%
14. MacEachern 70.00%
15. Abeltshauser 55.56%
16. Blais 23.68%
17. Sergeev 33.33%
18. Poganski 25.64%
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2014 poll 2013 poll 2012 poll
1) Allen 53% 1) Tarasenko 1) Tarasenko 92%
2) Fabbri 45% 2) Schwartz 2) Schwartz 93%
3) Jaskin 39% 3) Rattie 3) Rattie 57%
4) Rattie 61% 4) Allen 4) Cole 76%
5) Barbashev 86% 5) Jaskin 5) Allen 73%
6) Schmaltz 79% 6) Carrier 6) Schmaltz 38%
7) Parayko 33% 7) Hakanp�� 7) Hakanp�� 64%
8) Lindbohm 40% 8) Schmaltz 8) Fairchild 62%
9) Binnington 48% 9) Edmundson 9) McRae 58%
10) Vannelli 66% 10) Binnington 10) Wannstr�m 31%
11) Letunov 27% 11) Vannelli 11) Grachev 38%
12) Husso 38% 12) Kurker 12) Kurker 30% (tie)
13) Edmundson 45% 13) Veilleux 12) Lehter� 30% (tie)
14) Hakanpaa 62% 14) Lundstr�m 14) Edmundson 52%
15) Walman 55% 15) Fairchild 15) Jaskin 41%
16) Shields 23% 16) Parayko 16) Ponich 42%
17) Lundstrom 25% 17) Lindbohm 17) Veilleux 48%
18) MacEachern 39% 18) MacEachern 18) MacEachern 35%
19) Descheneau 30% 19) Tesink 19) Tesink 45%
20) Poganski 33% 20) Andronov 20) Eronen 50%
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22) Parayko 40%
23) Binnington 60%
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2011 poll 2010 poll 2009 poll
1) Tarasenko 1) Pietrangelo 1) Pietrangelo
2) Schwartz 2) Tarasenko 2) P.Berglund
3) Cole 3) Cole 3) Oshie
4) Allen 4) Schwartz 4) Eller
5) Rattie 5) Allen 5) Cole
6) Grachev 6) McRae 6) Palushaj
7) Jaskin 7) Lehter� 7) Allen
8) McRae 8) Junland 8) Sonne
9) Bishop 9) Sonne 9) McRae
10) (tie) Cundari 10) Ponich 10) Bishop
10) (tie) Ponich 11) Cundari 11) Junland
12) Edmundson 12) Wannstr�m 12) Hjalmarsson
13) Lehtera 13) Bishop 13) K.Berglund
14) Wannstrom 14) Fairchild
15) Fairchild
16) Della Rovere
17) Junland
18) Reaves
19) Beukeboom
20) Hakanp��
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23) Jordan Binnington
26) Tyler Shattock
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2008 poll 2007 poll 2006 poll
1) Pietrangelo 1) Johnson 1) Johnson
2) P.Berglund 2) Oshie 2) Oshie
3) Oshie 3) Berglund 3) M. Schwartz
4) Perron 4) Backes 4) Backes
5) Eller 5) Toivonen 5) S�derberg
6) Cole 6) Eller 6) Berglund
7) Lemtyugov 7) M. Schwartz 7) Stempniak
8) Bishop 8) Polak 8) Bacashihua
9) Junland 9) Perron 9) Shishkanov
10) Palushaj 10) Cole 10) Shkotov
11) McRae 11) Bishop 11) Polak
12) Allen 12) Junland 12) Kana
13) M. Schwarz 13) Birner 13) Aaltonen
14) Polak 14) Kana 14) Lemtyugov
15) Wagner 15) Barriball 15) Jackson
16) Hjalmarsson 16) Hjalmarsson 16) Barulin
17) Porter 17) Berra 17) Birner
18) Drazenovic 18) Palushaj 18) Junland
19) K. Berglund 19) Hellstr�m
20) Lehter� 20) Drazenovic
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2004 poll
1. Sejna
2. Zakharov
3. McClement
4. Belle
5. Shkotov
6. Byrne
7. Barulin
8. Backes
9. Pohl
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Dunn because he has potential to be a legit top pairing option
i think worst case hes a solid 2nd pairing guy
walman and barbashev close
i think worst case hes a solid 2nd pairing guy
walman and barbashev close
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