GDT: 12/15/15 - 7:30PM EDT - Tampa Bay @ Toronto

[The Macho King]

-1 Stamkos >>> 26 game point streak / 2 stanley cup / Conn Smyth winner Patrick Kane

3 Cups.

 

[The Gongshow]

3 Cups.

-1 Stamkos <<< 26 game streak / 3 stanley cup / Conn Smyth Patrick Kane

He was better than 2 cup Kane tho

 

[MrClutch86]

Happy birthday to Mike Blunden, gratz to him on the goal

 

[WeedCrimes]

Reminder that we are just one solid win streak away from a comfy standing.

 

[wxkid23]

Reminder that we are just one solid win streak away from a comfy standing.

This has the feeling of one of those wins that could start a run. Only 8 pts out of 1st as bad as we have been

 

[2MinutesforGiraffing]

This has the feeling of one of those wins that could start a run. Only 8 pts out of 1st as bad as we have been

Except we play Washington next and they have our number.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Glad I didn't say before the game I was excited to watch what Vlad is becoming given more minutes, probably would've jinxed him.

 

[Hoek]

Glad I didn't say before the game I was excited to watch what Vlad is becoming given more minutes, probably would've jinxed him.

Well now he's jinxed for the next game!

 

[The Underboss]

Stamkos -1 tonight, 1 shot... 1 SHOT

Did better than Tavares. ZERO shots against the Panthers.

 

[dechire]

Did better than Tavares. ZERO shots against the Panthers.

Nah don't worry. Stamkos just had zero shots and a -3 against the Kings a few games ago. And it was a 3-1 loss so you can't do much worse than that. Tavares has to not work much harder to compete with our captain

 

[Jerkini]

So given the pretty consistent negativity directed at Stamkos, what kind of return is expected in a trade? It looks like the vast majority of Tampa Bay fans are done with him.

 

[AlphaCatalyst]

Did better than Tavares. ZERO shots against the Panthers.

Nah don't worry. Stamkos just had zero shots and a -3 against the Kings a few games ago. And it was a 3-1 loss so you can't do much worse than that. Tavares has to not work much harder to compete with our captain

Yeah JT may have won the night considering Iles had 32 shots on goal, 19 of them just in the first period. The fact none of those were from JT I think gives him the "win" for the day but I agree with dechire, JT has a long way to go to be as bad as Captain Stagnant.

 

[Victhor Ollesson]

So given the pretty consistent negativity directed at Stamkos, what kind of return is expected in a trade? It looks like the vast majority of Tampa Bay fans are done with him.

If it happens, it will be as a rental to a contender that thinks he might turn it around with a change of scenery. The assets will depend on where we are in the standings here in the next month or so.

 

[Steazy Doo]

+ Namestnikov
+ Kucherov
+ Blunden
+ Marchessault (except on the PP)
+ Stralman

- Hedman
- Flip line
- Carle
- Vasilevskiy (Maybe being a bit hard on him, but he's be able to hold onto pucks at this level)

 

[dechire]

So given the pretty consistent negativity directed at Stamkos, what kind of return is expected in a trade? It looks like the vast majority of Tampa Bay fans are done with him.

You would be too if you'd watched ~110 games exactly like the one last night in the last season and a half

As for value it depends where he's going. Probably a 1st round pick as a rental + whatever. Considering how bad he is in the post-season he'd be a pretty bad rental but good luck to whoever wants him. He can't move until at least 3 of the injured players come back permanently unless we're getting another top 6 center in the trade.

 

[Iceman]

Did actually Stamkos come out and say that it was just like any other game for him?

Yeah... invisible and pointless.

 

[dechire]

Yeah JT may have won the night considering Iles had 32 shots on goal, 19 of them just in the first period. The fact none of those were from JT I think gives him the "win" for the day but I agree with dechire, JT has a long way to go to be as bad as Captain Stagnant.

An Isles fan might think differently but I'm getting the feeling that Tavares this year is like last year's Stamkos. Slumping and maybe on the downswing but still time to get back on track. It's when it hits the second season that it becomes a huge issue.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

So given the pretty consistent negativity directed at Stamkos, what kind of return is expected in a trade? It looks like the vast majority of Tampa Bay fans are done with him.

Hopefully the team trading for him would pay for the name. If that's the case I'd like to see a 1st plus a good roster player with an extra year on his contract or a really good prospect.

If they see what we see, then maybe just a good roster player and a lesser pick.

 

[AlphaCatalyst]

+ Namestnikov
+ Kucherov
+ Blunden
+ Marchessault (except on the PP)
+ Stralman

- Hedman
- Flip line
- Carle
- Vasilevskiy (Maybe being a bit hard on him, but he's be able to hold onto pucks at this level)

Considering the shot count after the first I am willing to give him a pass on the night for that alone. Game easily could have been 3 or 4-1 (maybe even 0 if Bernier was better). I think we have been spoiled by how good Bish has played so far but in my mind Vasi did his job and kept it close enough that when the rest of the team decided to show up it was still within reach. Did he have a great game? No, but IMO it was not a "bad" game either.

 

[dechire]

Considering the shot count after the first I am willing to give him a pass on the night for that alone. Game easily could have been 3 or 4-1 (maybe even 0 if Bernier was better). I think we have been spoiled by how good Bish has played so far but in my mind Vasi did his job and kept it close enough that when the rest of the team decided to show up it was still within reach. Did he have a great game? No, but IMO it was not a "bad" game either.

That's how I feel about it. I think this game could be good for the team because Vasy let in goals that Bishop doesn't and exposed some of the areas where the D is weak or getting lazy. The team can't keep depending on Bishop to bail them out.

 

[Hoek]

Tavares always has a bad stretch then turns it on in the second half. I'd only worry about him if he never gets it going.

 

[chasespace]

So given the pretty consistent negativity directed at Stamkos, what kind of return is expected in a trade? It looks like the vast majority of Tampa Bay fans are done with him.

As a rental?
Similar to what Kovy got at the time when he went ot NJ.

If an extension is worked out ahead of time?
Top prospect+top-6/top-4 player+1st round pick+additional pick(s)

 

[Jerkini]

As a rental?
Similar to what Kovy got at the time when he went ot NJ.

If an extension is worked out ahead of time?
Top prospect+top-6/top-4 player+1st round pick+additional pick(s)

Considering how fed up everyone is here, do you think that's a realistic ask? Paying a similar price to what Kovy got essentially confirms Stamkos as a bonafide superstar. Kovy did have 58 points in 49 games at the time of his trade.

 

[FinnLightning26]

Considering how fed up everyone is here, do you think that's a realistic ask? Paying a similar price to what Kovy got essentially confirms Stamkos as a bonafide superstar. Kovy did have 58 points in 49 games at the time of his trade.

It doesn't matter what we think of him. Around the league he's still regarded as a superstar.

 

[DFC]

Power outage last night, so I finally got a chance to watch the game.

Something that concerns me: On the second goal, by Stralman, which came late in the period, there was almost no reaction. Guys are usually fired up in that situation. They looked like they were punching a clock. I'm wondering what the morale is like.

I watched the Leafs' broadcast, and it was hilarious to hear how baffled they were about Stamkos's performance. Romanak made a comment to the effect of, "I don't really recall him doing much of anything in this game."

Welcome to 2015, guys. (Hell, welcome to 2014.)