Pre-Game Talk: 11/20/14 Wings @ Jets

[Bob Probert Owns You]

I'd much rather have XO in the lineup than Kindl or Lashoff.

Pull the trigger, Babs!

 

[TheOtherOne]

From live and the replays I saw it looked like Smith started the fight. Someone please correct me if that's not the case?

Because if it is the case then I gotta say it was pretty stupid to start the team's first fight of the season up 4-0 in a meaningless game against a terrible team. Why risk injury for that **** especially when you've been injured in a fight before?

 

[Winger98]

From live and the replays I saw it looked like Smith started the fight. Someone please correct me if that's not the case?

Because if it is the case then I gotta say it was pretty stupid to start the team's first fight of the season up 4-0 in a meaningless game against a terrible team. Why risk injury for that **** especially when you've been injured in a fight before?

The guy took a run at him and planted him into the boards with a questionable hit to Smith's numbers. It wasn't a clean play, and not surprising that Smith took exception to it. Especially since I think he's been hurt by a couple of questionable hits in the past.

 

[Chip39]

I think it was a result of the blue jackets starting to get chippy after sheahans goal. Stupid but totally understandable.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive 33s33 seconds ago
Datsyuk (groin) not skating today in Winnipeg. Everyone else skating including Ouellet.

 

[The Geelee]

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive
On defense:
Kronwall-Ericsson
Quincey-DeKeyser
Lashoff-Ouellet
Based on the skate it looks like Kindl scratched for third game in row.

Kindl is definitely on the outs with Babcock for some reason

 

[Hammettf2b]

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive
On defense:
Kronwall-Ericsson
Quincey-DeKeyser
Lashoff-Ouellet
Based on the skate it looks like Kindl scratched for third game in row.

Kindl is definitely on the outs with Babcock for some reason

Wooohooo. Now lets keep that spot XO

 

[odin1981]

Petr the Great will shut the mother ****ing door tonight. Can't wait to watch the game.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive 2m2 minutes ago
Datsyuk is skating after practice. Hoping to be ready for Saturday at Toronto.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive
On defense:
Kronwall-Ericsson
Quincey-DeKeyser
Lashoff-Ouellet
Based on the skate it looks like Kindl scratched for third game in row.

Kindl is definitely on the outs with Babcock for some reason

Hopefully that means when Smith gets back, Kindl is gone.

 

[mindfly]

And just a few games ago he scored in back-to-back games n ****, obviously that didn't help his chances much.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

From live and the replays I saw it looked like Smith started the fight. Someone please correct me if that's not the case?

Because if it is the case then I gotta say it was pretty stupid to start the team's first fight of the season up 4-0 in a meaningless game against a terrible team. Why risk injury for that **** especially when you've been injured in a fight before?

Foligno is a punk, he ran smith along the boards late in the game just to stir things up

i am glad smith fought him, more guys need to stand up for themselves and each other, broken hands or not.

 

[norrisnick]

Foligno is a punk, he ran smith along the boards late in the game just to stir things up

i am glad smith fought him, more guys need to stand up for themselves and each other, broken hands or not.

If you let yourself get sucked into a fight... It's dumb. There is nothing to gain and everything to lose.

If your team is winning and the other team is running around trying to start ****... fighting is giving them exactly what they want.

If your team is losing and you're frustrated... fighting is certainly not going to score you any goals.

Fighting someone after they take a run at someone isn't going to magically turn back time to make that run not happen.

And none of that even touches on the instance in this case... a completely avoidable injury. Smith is finally not looking like a complete dumpster fire. Perfect time to sit a week+ because he was dumb. And that's all it is, a further indicator of Smith's problems from day one. He's not very bright.

 

[VM1138]

Hopefully that means when Smith gets back, Kindl is gone.

We can hope.

 

[RayMoonDoh]

If you let yourself get sucked into a fight... It's dumb. There is nothing to gain and everything to lose.

If your team is winning and the other team is running around trying to start ****... fighting is giving them exactly what they want.

If your team is losing and you're frustrated... fighting is certainly not going to score you any goals.

Fighting someone after they take a run at someone isn't going to magically turn back time to make that run not happen.

And none of that even touches on the instance in this case... a completely avoidable injury. Smith is finally not looking like a complete dumpster fire. Perfect time to sit a week+ because he was dumb. And that's all it is, a further indicator of Smith's problems from day one. He's not very bright.

This. Solid post.

 

[Flowah]

If you let yourself get sucked into a fight... It's dumb. There is nothing to gain and everything to lose.

If your team is winning and the other team is running around trying to start ****... fighting is giving them exactly what they want.

If your team is losing and you're frustrated... fighting is certainly not going to score you any goals.

Fighting someone after they take a run at someone isn't going to magically turn back time to make that run not happen.

And none of that even touches on the instance in this case... a completely avoidable injury. Smith is finally not looking like a complete dumpster fire. Perfect time to sit a week+ because he was dumb. And that's all it is, a further indicator of Smith's problems from day one. He's not very bright.

He's a young pro-athlete. He probably got pissed and wanted to unleash. It's not necessarily saying anything about his intelligence, probably (hopefully) more about his maturity.

 

[CHGoalie27]

Any word on Datsyuk?

 

[TheOtherOne]

If your team is losing and you're frustrated... fighting is certainly not going to score you any goals.

I agree with most of your post, but this part could certainly be debated.

If a fight puts you and an opponent in the box, and your opponent is more skilled than you are, then the fight resulted in an advantage for your team that could potentially translate to a goal scored.

If a player is chirping and hitting and agitating your superstar teammates all night long and you put your own health on the line to knock a bunch of his teeth out, maybe your teammates appreciate the hell out of it and get all riled up and potentially score a goal as a result of the emotional upturn.

 

[DatsDeking]

I think Smith fighting was the right thing to do. Hindsight, yeah maybe not getting hurt because of a fight you started when you're up by 4 is STUPID but I think the Wings (as a team) need to stand up for themselves more and show, "yes we're winning by 4 but we aren't going to take any BS from you." Making a message like that, if you're down by 4 or up by 8, is a big thing to me and is always something I've felt Smith has been good with.

 

[norrisnick]

I agree with most of your post, but this part could certainly be debated.

If a fight puts you and an opponent in the box, and your opponent is more skilled than you are, then the fight resulted in an advantage for your team that could potentially translate to a goal scored.

If a player is chirping and hitting and agitating your superstar teammates all night long and you put your own health on the line to knock a bunch of his teeth out, maybe your teammates appreciate the hell out of it and get all riled up and potentially score a goal as a result of the emotional upturn.

Sure, if Smith can take a 1st liner/1st D with him. Whatever.

As for the latter, I'm sure your teammates would greatly appreciate a big hit, nice pass, dominant work along the boards, nifty goal, etc... Getting bogged down in a fight... meh.

 

[norrisnick]

I think Smith fighting was the right thing to do. Hindsight, yeah maybe not getting hurt because of a fight you started when you're up by 4 is STUPID but I think the Wings (as a team) need to stand up for themselves more and show, "yes we're winning by 4 but we aren't going to take any BS from you." Making a message like that, if you're down by 4 or up by 8, is a big thing to me and is always something I've felt Smith has been good with.

Not really. Smith fighting shows the other teams that eventually someone will crack. Ignore it and it will go away. React and teams will just keep trying to agitate.

 

[Heaton]

Any word on Datsyuk?

He's out.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Any word on Datsyuk?

He's out for tonight's game against Winnipeg, But is hoping to be back by Saturday nights game against Toronto.

 

[Flowah]

I think Smith fighting was the right thing to do. Hindsight, yeah maybe not getting hurt because of a fight you started when you're up by 4 is STUPID but I think the Wings (as a team) need to stand up for themselves more and show, "yes we're winning by 4 but we aren't going to take any BS from you." Making a message like that, if you're down by 4 or up by 8, is a big thing to me and is always something I've felt Smith has been good with.

There are ways to stick up for yourself without fighting someone. And while you could send that message of not backing down, you might also send the message that you are emotional and manipulable instead of professional and in control.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

If you let yourself get sucked into a fight... It's dumb. There is nothing to gain and everything to lose.

If your team is winning and the other team is running around trying to start ****... fighting is giving them exactly what they want.

If your team is losing and you're frustrated... fighting is certainly not going to score you any goals.

Fighting someone after they take a run at someone isn't going to magically turn back time to make that run not happen.

And none of that even touches on the instance in this case... a completely avoidable injury. Smith is finally not looking like a complete dumpster fire. Perfect time to sit a week+ because he was dumb. And that's all it is, a further indicator of Smith's problems from day one. He's not very bright.

after playing the game for decades I believe their are times in hockey when fighting is called for

when the other team while losing is taking runs at you or your teammates for no other reason than to injure or stir up trouble then its justified. smith stood up for himself and showed he wont be pushed around or intimidated and will stand up for himself.

its unfortunate that he got hurt it really is, but in the long run it will serve his career better then the 3-5 games he might miss