Value of: 10th overall pick

[Nocashstyle]

WHile there will be more goalies on the market, there will also be more teams looking to shore up the #1 spot. And out of those goalies, very few are as good as Markstrom
The best part of any possible trade here will be the about face Devils fans have.

Who are the teams looking for a legit #1? NJ, Toronto, LA? That’s not a lot.

I’d really temper my expectations

 

[Forge]

WHile there will be more goalies on the market, there will also be more teams looking to shore up the #1 spot. And out of those goalies, very few are as good as Markstrom
The best part of any possible trade here will be the about face Devils fans have.

Generally, I try not to chase outlier trade returns. A trade involving #10 for a guy like Markstrom would be a massive outlier in recent history.

 

[Fig]

I can't imagine a trade that involves NJD's 10OA pick unless it's a pretty big package. Markstrom retained plus our late first probably isn't enough. It probably still needs another decent asset added to it.

I'm more inclined to believe that Flames/NJD may circle back to make a trade, but it'll be a lesser trade than something that involves 10OA.

The best part of any trade will be Flames fan raging that they didn't get anything close to what they want for Markstrom. I look forward to the Fire Conroy and boycott the Flames till the Owner sells the team thread.

?? quite a few of us felt it was questionable that Markstrom had that type of value in the first place. A few seasons ago, we all agreed you likely add an asset to Markstrom to try and get rid of him. Then he rockets up to being worth a first? That's larceny. IIRC, Fitz commented that the entire goalie market was basically larceny (paraphrasing) after the TDL. Markstrom is no longer a pure cap dump, but to be worth around a first is still a weird and crazy concept to some of us Flames fans.

Many of us were of the opinion, "Whatever you can get" even when that rumor popped up. That rumor that popped up for that failed trade was really left field and I think there was so much smoke around it, that some fans got too carried away with their excitement. But a lot of us do not agree with that valuation, although we'd love to be wrong and get any form of a late first round calibre asset for Markstrom.

 

[Xirik]

I can't imagine a trade that involves NJD's 10OA pick unless it's a pretty big package. Markstrom retained plus our late first probably isn't enough. It probably still needs another decent asset added to it.

I'm more inclined to believe that Flames/NJD may circle back to make a trade, but it'll be a lesser trade than something that involves 10OA.



?? quite a few of us felt it was questionable that Markstrom had that type of value in the first place. A few seasons ago, we all agreed you likely add an asset to Markstrom to try and get rid of him. Then he rockets up to being worth a first? That's larceny. IIRC, Fitz commented that the entire goalie market was basically larceny (paraphrasing) after the TDL. Markstrom is no longer a pure cap dump, but to be worth around a first is still a weird and crazy concept to some of us Flames fans.

Many of us were of the opinion, "Whatever you can get" even when that rumor popped up. That rumor that popped up for that failed trade was really left field and I think there was so much smoke around it, that some fans got too carried away with their excitement. But a lot of us do not agree with that valuation, although we'd love to be wrong and get any form of a late first round calibre asset for Markstrom.

My post was in response to the last sentence of the person I quoted, Battling snark with snark and all that.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Who are the teams looking for a legit #1? NJ, Toronto, LA? That’s not a lot.

I’d really temper my expectations

I'd add Ott & Det in there off hand. How many legit starters are available?
As far as my expectations, I'm not really sure what to expect. But a 2nd with us still throwing in or retaining is laughable. Like I said, I'd really like to know what was agreed upon earlier.
Also we know their GM is very interested in him, having circled back multiple times to try and aquire him.

 

[Fig]

My post was in response to the last sentence of the person I quoted, Battling snark with snark and all that.

I notice the lack of plural in your post now. Carry on!

 

[Nocashstyle]

I'd add Ott & Det in there off hand. How many legit starters are available?
As far as my expectations, I'm not really sure what to expect. But a 2nd with us still throwing in or retaining is laughable. Like I said, I'd really like to know what was agreed upon earlier.
Also we know their GM is very interested in him, having circled back multiple times to try and aquire him.

Ullmark, Saros, there’s budget, reclamation projects, or UFAs in Kahkonen, Gustafsson, Gibson, Samsonov…those are just off the top of my head.

And yeah but by the same token, Markstrom being the centerpiece to acquire the 10th overall is laughable.

 

[pth2]

When was the last time a known top 10-12 pick was traded for a player 30+?

I think a team is much more likely to gamble on a underperforming youngster with a pick like #10 than they would be to gamble on a 30+ goalie (or skater).

29 year old Linden for #10 is probably the closest.

Generally, I try not to chase outlier trade returns. A trade involving #10 for a guy like Markstrom would be a massive outlier in recent history.

Yup. Schneider in his prime fetched #9 and ut was considered an overpay.

 

[herashak]

Markstrom (25%) retained + vancouvers 1st

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

Markstrom (25%) retained + vancouvers 1st

Too much of a drop from 10th overall. No thanks.

 

[ScottyK]

Markstrom (25%) retained + vancouvers 1st

no

 

[StuckOutHere]

A little bit more than the 11th overall pick.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Markstrom (25%) retained + vancouvers 1st

NJ fans can say no all they want, but I bet the 2 teams have been & will continue talking about something similar.

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

NJ fans can say no all they want, but I bet the 2 teams have been & will continue talking about something similar.

Yeah right, maybe in your dreams.

 

[QuizGuy66]

So, there's a guy on Flames twitter who has been right a bunch of times, and clearly has some connections; yesterday he was talking about Calgary packaging Markstrom and their later pick first round pick to move back into the top 10 of the draft.

With the connection of Markstrom and Jersey already, sort of seems like this would be one of the picks they'd look at in this trade.

Well the last time the Devils traded down in round 1 with Calgary and it involved goaltenders it worked out pretty well for us with that pick.

 

[Nocashstyle]

NJ fans can say no all they want, but I bet the 2 teams have been & will continue talking about something similar.

You can also keep trying to will it into existence by saying this in every thread. That won’t make it happen though.

 

[Forge]

NJ fans can say no all they want, but I bet the 2 teams have been & will continue talking about something similar.

Personally, i doubt it.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

You can also keep trying to will it into existence by saying this in every thread. That won’t make it happen though.

Huh? I think I have only said it in this one. It's a common sense guess....it is public knowledge that your GM thinks highly of Markstrom and the 2 teams had an agreement in place. It's only logical to assume that the talks will continue now.

 

[Forge]

Huh? I think I have only said it in this one. It's a common sense guess....it is public knowledge that your GM thinks highly of Markstrom and the 2 teams had an agreement in place. It's only logical to assume that the talks will continue now.

Sure. Doesn't mean it includes #10 in any shape, way or form.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Huh? I think I have only said it in this one. It's a common sense guess....it is public knowledge that your GM thinks highly of Markstrom and the 2 teams had an agreement in place. It's only logical to assume that the talks will continue now.

lol it’s not common sense. Just because the Devils have interest it doesn’t means they’re going to overpay. That’s ridiculous reasoning.

A 34 year old goalie being traded for that value is unprecedented. And Markstrom only helped drive his value down after the trade deadline with an absolutely dreadful finish to the season.

 

[Forge]

To be clear, I don't think the "value" is substantially wrong here in a 10 for markstrom + Vancouver first trade. I just don't think they have to move that #10 pick to get him. That kind of trade is a dime for two nickels type move. #10 is just a different tier of asset. You can use the 25 protected first and go from there and I'm not sure anyone markstrom is waiving for is immediately beating it.

But in a pure value perspective, that would put markstroms value at a late 1st + mid second or an early second + mid second if you use the coyotes trade up for geekie as a baseline.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

lol it’s not common sense. Just because the Devils have interest it doesn’t means they’re going to overpay. That’s ridiculous reasoning.

A 34 year old goalie being traded for that value is unprecedented. And Markstrom only helped drive his value down after the trade deadline with an absolutely dreadful finish to the season.

It's almost as if the late 1st is worth nothing in your opinion....

 

[Nocashstyle]

It's almost as if the late 1st is worth nothing in your opinion....

The difference between dropping 19 spots in the first round is not a 34 year old goalie who didn’t put up a single game above .900 after the trade deadline.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

if Fitz does any form of a trade of 10th overall for Markstrom, even with retention, getting another player, or late pick back, I will start to question him as GM.

 

[Scintillating10]

While there's a strong chance New Jersey keeps the pick to select another young player to add to their already impressive U26 core, there is also a strong chance this pick is moved to upgrade the roster NOW.

Sifting through the league, these are some names that intrigue me for the New Jersey Devils to acquire in a trade using the 10th overall pick. Some players, Devils would have to add. Maybe perhaps a lot. Some players, the other team would have to add. Nonetheless, here are some names that strike me as interesting. These are some players that could potentially be available for various reasons. (Contract status, Team shakeup, Team trending towards rebuild, Team already in rebuild, Team needing to get younger, etc.)

Goalies
Jeremy Swayman
Ilya Sorokin
Juuse Saros
Yaroslav Askarov

Defensemen
Ryan McDonagh
Cam Fowler
Jonas Brodin

Forwards
Brady Tkachuk
Drake Batherson
Kirill Kaprizov
Joel Eriksson Ek
Travis Konecny
Pavel Buchnevich
Kyle Connor
Nikolaj Ehlers
Gabe Vilardi
Blake Coleman (@50% retained)
Lawson Crouse
Adrian Kempe

Montreal may move Matheson for 10?