GDT: 10/28 spooky pre-halloween gdt the captain is back edition

[Blueline Bomber]

don't even go to the ******* attacks BB. after apologizing for Ward for the past 3 years alright. If you don't see an unjust amount of bs being thrown on Semin for the state of this team, you're in the minority.

I apologized for Ward, but when he was the sole or major reason for a loss, you didn't hear a peep out of me defending him.

Nor did I create some grand conspiracy where every comment about Ward was apparently some message sent from the very tops of the organization to discredit the player.

 

[rocky7]

clearly you missed the point that most of that money i cited actually *is* being spent on players who are injured or useless.

and are you really disagreeing that $16M could not buy you better players than chris terry, victor rask, zach boychuk, and john-michael liles, even in a market like this?

and no, pk didn't tighten the pursestrings in the offseason. they are spending basically the same they did last year. it wasn't quite obvious because it didn't happen. you just thought it did because they spent all their money before free agency on giving raises to most of our FAs.

I don't know about that nor what goes on behind closed doors but if that's the case Francis is stupider than he should be if his hands weren't tied somehow.

 

[nobuddy]

Glad I didn't watch this game and drank a lot instead.

Is Semin being scapegoated again by the usual suspects?

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Rocky's so far gone, he's hearing what he wants to hear. Even innoculous comments (like Tripp's "I thought Staal would jumpstart him...") are apparently throwing him into a rage.

And the talk about "spending money on productive players" is equally delusional. For one, the team has a self-imposed cap, and it was quite obvious that PK tightened the pursestrings this offseason. Second, why would any "productive player" want to come to Carolina in the first place?

I agree with what you said, but Semin's poor play is being used as an excuse for all of his teammates' shortcomings and failures.

The reality is that Semin isn't the biggest problem on this team.

Quick list of issues with this team from an outside point of view :

1. There is no structure to this team. They don't play an organized game, everyone does his own thing, like if there were no game plan. That's why they couldn't break out of their own zone tonight when the Bonino/Kassian lines were fore checking hard.

2.The supporting cast doesn't belong in the NHL. Nash, Terry, Boychuk etc are borderline NHL players. 4th liners at most on every other team in the league.

3. Goalies are a big issue. Cam Ward is the team's most overpaid player, way ahead of Staal and Semin.
He has regressed a lot. Khudobin is a nice back up, but can't be a starter.

4. Staal bros injuries. There's nothing you can do about that.

5. Faulk and Semin not doing what they're expected to.

Bright spots :

1. Skinner and Tlusty.

2. Lindholm is getting noticeably better.

3. The Canes might land the best prospect since Crosby.

That's just my 2 cents.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

clearly you missed the point that most of that money i cited actually *is* being spent on players who are injured or useless.

and are you really disagreeing that $16M could not buy you better players than chris terry, victor rask, zach boychuk, and john-michael liles, even in a market like this?

The question isn't whether it could be spent on better players. It's whether spending it on those better players would make a difference. If the end result is a kick in the nuts, would you rather spent 50 cents or 50 dollars?

Given the dropping attendance, I'd say spending as little money as possible on a non-playoff roster was the smart thing to do.

and no, pk didn't tighten the pursestrings in the offseason. they are spending basically the same they did last year. it wasn't quite obvious because it didn't happen. you just thought it did because they spent all their money before free agency on giving raises to most of our FAs.

So you're saying that it was just a coincidence that our offseason moves went from pursuing Parise, Jordan Staal, Rick Nash, etc to Brad Malone and Tim Gleason at the same time Francis took over?

The organization probably saw the same writing on the wall we all did. They attempted to move the expensive contracts, but couldn't find takers. So rather than exacerbate the issue, they spent as little as possible filling the holes in the roster.

I agree with what you said, but Semin's poor play is being used as an excuse for all of his teammates' shortcomings and failures.

The reality is that Semin isn't the biggest problem on this team.

And except for the people who were already established as complete idiots, no one's saying Semin is the biggest issue on the team.

 

[rocky7]

and if the Carolina Hurricanes land a top two pick then what? same **** or? what will change?

 

[rocky7]

BB, I still don't believe they tried hard to move any of them. they could have if they truly had the will to do so. who's decision that was, I don't know.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

BB, I still don't believe they tried hard to move any of them. they could have if they truly had the will to do so. who's decision that was, I don't know.

They apparently tried quite a bit to move Ward. To the point where Ward admitted that Franics told him he wouldn't be in a Canes uniform to start the season.

But if the rumors about Ward's value are true (where it took the 1st round pick packaged with him to move him), then they were right not to do so.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Only 8 points out of a 6-way tie for a Wild Card spot.

Only one 6-game winning streak from .500.

Pretty sure they'll win the next one.

 

[Borsig]

didnt watch the game. Didnt care to. Not wasting my sleep time watching this trash.

I still say 11 games lost before a win.

 

[bluedevil58*]

I apologized for Ward, but when he was the sole or major reason for a loss, you didn't hear a peep out of me defending him.

Nor did I create some grand conspiracy where every comment about Ward was apparently some message sent from the very tops of the organization to discredit the player.

The turning on each other has already began.

 

[AD Skinner]

I'm wondering if tanking this season was always Francis's plan. Obviously Jordan and Skinner going down in preseason weren't planned, but it could explain things like Eric's mystery injury- maybe he was told to just sit out for any little thing. Could explain Semin's alleged lack of give a damn too- he knows the team is going through the motions, why should he bust his butt and/or recently repaired wrist to damage a chance at the team being better next year?

/tinfoil hat

 

[djboos22]

I agree with what you said, but Semin's poor play is being used as an excuse for all of his teammates' shortcomings and failures.

The reality is that Semin isn't the biggest problem on this team.

Quick list of issues with this team from an outside point of view :

1. There is no structure to this team. They don't play an organized game, everyone does his own thing, like if there were no game plan. That's why they couldn't break out of their own zone tonight when the Bonino/Kassian lines were fore checking hard.

2.The supporting cast doesn't belong in the NHL. Nash, Terry, Boychuk etc are borderline NHL players. 4th liners at most on every other team in the league.

3. Goalies are a big issue. Cam Ward is the team's most overpaid player, way ahead of Staal and Semin.
He has regressed a lot. Khudobin is a nice back up, but can't be a starter.

4. Staal bros injuries. There's nothing you can do about that.

5. Faulk and Semin not doing what they're expected to.

Bright spots :

1. Skinner and Tlusty.

2. Lindholm is getting noticeably better.

3. The Canes might land the best prospect since Crosby.

That's just my 2 cents.

I agree 100% and that part of it I see the most. We have zero puck control and look completely disorganized.

 

[tarheelhockey]

So, looking at the big picture I think kev's been pretty well vindicated in saying that we REALLY need to treat this as a lost season starting now.

Let's say it takes 90 points to make the playoffs, which would be considered a weak year for the conference. From here on, we would have to go something like 43-27-4 to hit that mark. Which is the same pace as a 100-point team. And that pace would need to start on Saturday.

Is this team going to start playing like a contender on Saturday? No. No they are not.

Our playoff chances are already in the realm of "beyond reasonable expectation". And they will get even worse every time we lose.

The deep rebuild really ought to start right now. Eric and Semin should be moved ASAP for short-term cap dumps and strong future assets. Sekera and Tlusty should be shopped to see what the market will give for a full season of their services. We need to look at acquiring mentors to make the season worthwhile for guys like Rask and Murphy.

Seriously, don't wait till the deadline Ronnie. There is absolutely no reason to continue paddling down **** Creek.

 

[VAcaniac]

I'm starting to think we're a lock for a top-5 pick. We are getting blown out the water by some not so great teams.

And yes blow up the team, but that should go without saying.....hopefully.

I would be ecstatic if Eric were gone tomorrow.

 

[bluedevil58*]

SO are you suggesting that this team unloads:

Sekera
Tlusty
Ward
STaal
Semin
Skinner

For draft picks?

 

[the halleJOKEL]

all of those aside from skinner

tlusty and sekera only if there is a can't miss offer

 

[bluedevil58*]

I feel we should trade Skinner as well. He is a major liability.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

a major liability to disrupt the tank by being the only good offensive player on the team?

probably

 

[bluedevil58*]

Injury prone. trade him while his value is high go into full rebuild mode and have a team that does not have a single smurf on the roster. Do not draft anyone under 6 ft 1.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Staal looked good.
Murphy looked ****ing terrible.
Hainsey looked ****ing terrible.
Semin looked ok.
Ward looked ok.
Rask must really hate goalie's sternums.
Boychuk can.. umm... skate on a lot of the ice?
Skinner is a beaut and I want to pinch his cheeks.
Sekera looked good.

 

[AD Skinner]

I kinda doubt there will be any takers for Staal or Semin unless we're either retaining salary or throwing in picks/players we don't want to get rid of. If that's the case, we may as well hang on to them and hope that once we can retool/draft high they start caring again. As of now it's not like they are damaging the tank anyway.

 

[Finnish Jerk Train]

That's right, this meme doesn't even need words at this point.

But seriously, have things ever been this bad? I was there in '03 and '04, and again when the '09-'10 season got off to its disastrous start. But this feels worse.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

Injury prone. trade him while his value is high go into full rebuild mode and have a team that does not have a single smurf on the roster. Do not draft anyone under 6 ft 1.

skinner is young enough to be part of a full rebuild

 

[bluedevil58*]

His career will be over by 30.