Proposal: #1 overall to NYR
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Anthony5967
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Yet he's the guy telling another poster that he just wasted a wall of text. His Ranger hate doesn't allow him to be unbiased. I mean, sure, you can say the same for the ones arguing he has as much upside as a Hughes, but, like watch the games, man. I'm not going to sit here and attempt to be an expert on Butcher, Mueller, etc, because I do not watch them enough. It's clear you ran with the narrative on Fox that he's a PP specialist, isn't fast, "weak defensively", etc. Hughes and Makar are two guys everybody drools over, which is why the narrative on both is they're already elite. Nobody says a negative thing about either.There have only been a handful of #1 dmen in the NHL’s 103 year history?????
HAAAAH! HAHAHAHAHA!!
Pitaya
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Yes, the one saying lets wait for Fox to play more than 70 games before he’s proclaimed as an automatic future top pair defenseman is ‘dense’
We get it - the Rags havent had much to root for defensively in the last decade besides McDonagh and theyre looking for someone to fill the void they thought Trouba would (he will be better next year though)
But sure, a 46 point defenseman who got beat regularly in the first half is a soon to be top pair guy lol.
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Pitaya
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No response, typical of people making outlandish claims based on small sample sizes
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Fox had some of the best defensive numbers in the league, what are you talking about?
You know it's okay to recognize talented players, even when they play for a rival. I hate the Rangers as much as anyone but Fox is legit.
Pitaya
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In the first half Fox was not as good defensively, and he regularly got beat on the rush. then the second half he played like a rock and Im not taking that away from him
Once again lets wait until he plays an entire season at that defensive level before we go crowning him as a soon to be top pair guy.
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I watched like half of his games and can tell you that the bolded did not happen.
Pitaya
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Nothing has to change because the reality is he was solid the first half of the year and even better in the second.
Fox made it pretty clear to both Calgary and Carolina he only had a desire to play in New York that's a huge red flag for anyone trying to trade for him.
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Tavares has an NMC so the odd man out here is Marner. Nylander at 7M is better than Marner at ~11M although Marner is the better player.
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Nonsense. I watched every game. Was he Nick Lidstrom? No, but he was great considering he was a rookie. He made a few bad reads in the neutral zone early on, but didn't get beat on the rush.
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One Winged Angel
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I’d say the answer is probably zero.
Tells me that my post is worthless because I used the “you haven’t actually watched ___” line, then he proceeds to provide zero reasoning as to why Fox will never be a top pairing defender while I explained exactly why he will continue to be.
Further more, Fox’s lateral movement and ability to out-wait and out-think forecheckers/defenders and goad them into making the first move and missing him is uncanny and he’s doing this against NHL players while his skating, strength and conditioning could still improve.
Irony is so much fun.
One Winged Angel
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Yeah, like I said, he watched zero games if he thinks that.
One Winged Angel
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You clearly didn’t watch him at all. He’s been great since day one.
Soon to be? Him and Lindgren are ALREADY the Rangers top pairing. Thanks for proving that you haven’t watched him at all.
This is complete horseshit and 100% untrue.
You’re clearly a Ranger hater who didn’t watch much of Fox this year.
You’re biased and don’t know wtf you’re talking about. Literally, everyone who regularly watched Fox would disagree with the foolish statement you made of him regarding the 1st half of the season.
He was a steady rock all year from us. It started in training camp and lasted consistently all season long.
Stop making pretend you know what you’re talking about. It’s so obvious you didn’t watch much of him.
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Yes its Rangers hate - Fox is clearly going to be a top pair defenseman after 70 games
Just like Shestyorkin is a top goaltender after 12 and Zibanejad is supposed to be considered a top center in the league cause of one great season.
Gee, its almost like the Rangers had an unsustainable scoring streak in the late half of the season with a rookie goaltender carrying them and all of a sudden theyre Somehow only a few pieces off if being a contender cause of a ~20-30 game stretch lmfao
Big city, big lights, big hype I guess
Just like Shestyorkin is a top goaltender after 12 and Zibanejad is supposed to be considered a top center in the league cause of one great season.
Gee, its almost like the Rangers had an unsustainable scoring streak in the late half of the season with a rookie goaltender carrying them and all of a sudden theyre Somehow only a few pieces off if being a contender cause of a ~20-30 game stretch lmfao
Big city, big lights, big hype I guess
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One Winged Angel
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Or it could be because things that we see from watching him on a nightly basis. Like having an off the charts hockey IQ at 22. Or his excellent passing. Or the fact that he’s so cool and calm under forecheck pressure that the vast majority of the time, he finds the perfect play to make whether it be an outlet/area/stretch pass out of the zone instead of just dumping it and is a possession monster because of that. It could also be his insane passing. Could also be the fact that as a rookie defender on a bad team, he put up over 40 points while not being on the 1st power play unit for the vast majority of the season. It could be his staggering advanced statistics, many of which are better than his rookie contemporaries in Cale Makar and Quinn Hughes.
Shestyorkin will be a great goaltender and has put up great numbers at every level he’s played at, including the NHL.
As for Zibanejad, thanks for proving you didn’t watch him last year.
Gee it’s like you almost think that all of their young players have peaked as rookies. It couldn’t possibly be because Kakko, Fox, Shestyorkin and Chytil will all get better with time and experience and that they still have one of the top-10 best farm systems in the league despite the graduations from prospect status this year.
But you claim to watch and know so much about a team that you clearly hate, so I shouldn’t need to explain all of that to you. You should already know.
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Just one asterisk here...
due to cap reality, WN easier to move/relocate than MM, means WN delivers less if any discounted value in trade, while hard to see any scenario where eating almost 11 per long term in flat cap is construct that makes absorbing MM's big #s is easily doable.
Doable, just not easily.
You must be a hit at parties.My offer would be this. Nothing. Because we already have it.
Jerzey Devil
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My offer would be this. Nothing. Because we already have it.
It took you a month to realize that?
