Zibanejad vs Silfverberg

[Six Assets]

From the Ryan trade thread long time ago:

"By the way, the Ducks wanted two of the following three Senators roster players for Ryan: defenceman Jared Cowen, forwards Zibanejad and Silfverberg."
http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/claesson-and-a-band-of-brothers-stand-out-at-development-camp

 

[Sun God Nika]

our untouchables before the Ryan trade were

Zibby
Karlsson
Lehner
Cowen
and Silfverberg was heavily debated to be one at the time.

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

Zibby all day, every day.

He is 21. Silf is 24. Their production is the same now and that's not even taking into account that Zib will get stronger and faster.

 

[tony d]

Zibanejad for me.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

At the time i felt Silf was the player to keep. His lack luster production compared to zibby's makes my choice look bad. I still think silf has similar upside to Zibby but Silf playing a stacked position on the sens leaves no room for him.

The trade would have been a complete steal if it was Cowen. Even Silf+Cowen+Noeson would have been a great trade.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Zibby all day, every day.

He is 21. Silf is 24. Their production is the same now and that's not even taking into account that Zib will get stronger and faster.

Zibby has 7 more points then Silf. Zibby plays a minute more then Silf a game.

 

[aragorn]

I think you always take the big centre who are difficult to find over the talented winger that are much more abundant. Silfverberg could end up being a better goal scorer but Zibanejad does more all around things that help the team to win besides scoring.

 

[Sensinitis]

Zib ainec

 

[Hale The Villain]

#1 center >>> 2nd line winger

 

[pm88]

At the time i felt Silf was the player to keep. His lack luster production compared to zibby's makes my choice look bad. I still think silf has similar upside to Zibby but Silf playing a stacked position on the sens leaves no room for him.

The trade would have been a complete steal if it was Cowen. Even Silf+Cowen+Noeson would have been a great trade.

Yeah we need to find someone to take Gryba off our hands. I'm willing to wait atleast 1 more season on Cowen but Gryba's useless. I'd almost rather Phillips back than him

 

[alfie follower]

Hey check it out, Silfverberg 2nd on Ducks in playoff scoring, 4th in league playoff scoring, whoda thunk huh ?

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

Hey check it out, Silfverberg 2nd on Ducks in playoff scoring, 4th in league playoff scoring, whoda thunk huh ?

Still not better than Zibanejad.

 

[Benjamin]

Hey check it out, Silfverberg 2nd on Ducks in playoff scoring, 4th in league playoff scoring, whoda thunk huh ?

Bryan Bickell probably would have thought it.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?sea...&country=&status=&viewName=summary&sort=&ord=

 

[alfie follower]

Still not better than Zibanejad.

I still think Silf is a good 2nd line winger, whereas Zibby has the *potential*( hate that friggin word) to be a star #1C, but I want MORE from Zib on a consistent basis....

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

I still think Silf is a good 2nd line winger, whereas Zibby has the *potential*( hate that friggin word) to be a star #1C, but I want MORE from Zib on a consistent basis....

I completely agree. But I think the real promise is that Zibby started slowly and then found his groove at the 20 game mark. He, like Ryan, fell off at the end but I like to believe that their drops in production were also in part to Cameron's asinine decision to break him, Hoff and Ryan up and insert a rotating crew of wingers. He should have let the three of them work thru it.

He kept plugging Michalek in there and the minute he was out and Hoff was in, that line started scoring again.

 

[mcnorth]

If you think it's even close you keep the center.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Two different styles. Zib plays with more power now and that is only going to keep getting better. Silf uses his quickness more.

Zib for me.

 

[Back in Black]

I don't mind Zib, but wouldn't have missed either player. Probably wouldn't have missed Cowen either!

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

I don't think Zbad will ever score more than 60 points if scoring remains as spread out in the NHL the way it is now.. Maybe if we ever go back to the way it was in 2006 then I could see him as a PPG player. For now tho I think his peak should be around 60 points (25g 35A)..

You gotta give the kid time. He's not Crosby who can jump into the league and immediately be a #1C. He just turned 22, and has been trending upwards tremendously in the last 2 years. When we drafted him he was the most raw player in the top 10, but the talent was there. Now he's figuring out how to put it all together, including balancing bulk with speed. He turned into a man this year. He came into camp last year too heavy, I think he's now figured out where he needs to be physically.

fwiw, if it's close, C > Forward. Zib has the potential to be a #1C.

A better question might be Silfverberg vs Ryan. Especially when you see how Ryan struggles at times with his skating (and then project how he'll look 4 or 5 years into his big contract).

Don't even start this..

Ya it was a choice between Cowen/Silf/Zib

omg just imagine we gave away Cowen, Noesen, and a first for Ryan, and kept silfverberg.

Silfverberg - Zibanejad - Ryan
Hoffman - Turris - Ston
MacArthur - Pageau - Michalek
Lazar - Legwand - Chiasson
Smith

Ya that would be epic. But Murray loves him some #2. Oh well.

 

[Tnouc Alucard]

If I recall correctly, they wanted one of Zibby/Silf/Cowen as a main piece.

Imagine we got rid of Cowen the pylon AND got Ryan

You may now have to eat some crow, as it's been revealed that Cowen was playing injured, when he did play, and probably sat a lot because of it.

He's had the necessary surgery and could come back to camp close to 100%.

I always find it so bewildering that people discount the number of injuries (and recovery) that Cowen has had, and fail to realize that he's only played 212 games at the NHL level.

Young D'men need time to develop into NHL D'men, and Cowen has yet to show his try level of play............and some people want to kick to the curb, like the Islanders did with Chara, after he had only played 231 games for them.

 

[Tnouc Alucard]

At the time i felt Silf was the player to keep. His lack luster production compared to zibby's makes my choice look bad. I still think silf has similar upside to Zibby but Silf playing a stacked position on the sens leaves no room for him.

The trade would have been a complete steal if it was Cowen. Even Silf+Cowen+Noeson would have been a great trade.

A great trade for the Ducks,

 

[BonkTastic]

Oh goody, more of "HFSens Obsession With Not Shutting Up About Jakob Silfverberg"!


I'll be in my room listening to music if anyone needs me.

 

[Six Assets]

60 point player (zibanejad) >>> 30 point player

Silfverberg is nothing special

 

[HispanicAtTheDisco]

People will complain whenever we make a trade where the player we traded away does well.

If we traded Zibanejad then we would hear endless whining about how we gave away a potential #1C over a 2nd line winger.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Silfverberg leaving opened room for Stone and there's basically no question who I would want on the top line between those 2. As for Zibanejad v. Silfverberg, the only thing that makes it close is Silfverberg's outstanding playoffs on an elite team. Otherwise, Zibanejad is younger, has played more games in the NHL, has scored more points, has a better ppg ratio, is bigger, stronger, faster, has a better shot, plays a premium position and showed us glimpses this past regular season of being able to do things that Silfverberg goes to bed at night dreaming about.

Put this ridiculous debate to an end. Silfverberg is only ever going to be a very nice complementary piece.