Confirmed with Link: Zadorov to VAN for a 2024 5th and 2026 3rd

[helloconga]

really fun that we will see him right away for his first game most likely saturday lol

 

[Boomstick]

 

[BRobMint]

This makes sense. It was probably pretty awkward in the room after the request and needed to happen sooner than later

 

[Fig]

Craig the conned man Conroy


EDIT: Now that things have cooled off a bit, a huge chunk of the value was salary cap. It's not too bad assuming Conroy weaponizes the cap appropriately.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

He's gonna be such a pain in the ass as an opponent.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Come on...Canucks had 2 4ths this year. We couldn't get one of those?

 

[Lunatik]

This makes sense. It was probably pretty awkward in the room after the request and needed to happen sooner than later

It's not the trade request on its own, it's that it came like a week after he publicly called out the team for not putting the team first.

 

[InfinityIggy]

If this is return, it was as much getting Z out of the room. Remember there has been talk that he rubbed the guys the wrong way by calling them about then requesting a trade.

Great point.

 

[Some Other Flame]

In comparison, Treliving managed to get a conditional 2nd, Pollock & Jokipakka for Kris Russell, who like Zadorov was a bottom pairing defenseman could act as a #4 for a small stretches every now and then. But he was also like a foot smaller.

They're positives to this deal in that it's clear the Flames are looking to the (very distant) future, that their giving their prospects a chance but the return is undoubtedly terrible.

 

[HighLifeMan]

In comparison, Treliving managed to get a conditional 2nd, Pollock & Jokipakka for Kris Russell, who like Zadorov was a bottom pairing defenseman could act as a #4 for a small stretches every now and then. But he was also like a foot smaller.

They're positives to this deal in that it's clear the Flames are looking to the (very distant) future, that their giving their prospects a chance but the return is undoubtedly terrible.

Completely different markets.

The cap environment and lack of space available really limits what can be done.

There is some real value in having 5+M in cap space.

 

[Some Other Flame]

Not so subtle dig at Treliving

 

[Felidae]

Wait I just saw this. Meh return imo. There's little chance a 3rd and 5th round pick become NHL calibre players.

Even if they somehow become NHL players it won't make the trade any less worse. That just means we got lucky and/or drafted well.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Was hoping for a 2nd. Close enough, and didn't have to retain / take back salary.

All in all a very cromulent return.

 

[JPeeper]

The cap space can't be overstated, go to cap friendly and look at how many teams are over the cap let alone at the cap. There are literally 4 teams in the league who can take Zadorovs cap hit. Now when we trade Lindholm, Tanev or Hanifin we can actually take on salary back to get more value then.

Connie's talking right now about it. Cap space in the modern era doesn't get talked about when it comes to how valuable it is, it's an asset in itself.

 

[Mobiandi]

I’m confused why it has to be a 2026 3rd. That future player is a decade away from making an impact

 

[joescores]

Dissatisfied

 

[Anglesmith]

I’m confused why it has to be a 2026 3rd. That future player is a decade away from making an impact

A lot of people are saying that 2030 will be a weak year for NHL teams, so a smart move by Conny to try to take advantage and squeeze a cup in there.

White text to confirm satire.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

I’m confused why it has to be a 2026 3rd. That future player is a decade away from making an impact

If it's Button's team making the pick, it doesn't matter. They're pretty good at finding mid-draft talent.

 

[Lunatik]

Wait I just saw this. Meh return imo. There's little chance a 3rd and 5th round pick become NHL calibre players.

Even if they somehow become NHL players it won't make the trade any less worse. That just means we got lucky and/or drafted well.

Eh, we've drafted pretty well recently in later rounds, and I don't think it's just luck.

Poirier (3rd), Solovyov (7th), Wolf (7th), Pospisil (4th), Ruzicka (4th), Fox (3rd), Mangiapane (6th)... Sergeev (7th) is also looking great but until he has a pro season under his belt I'm not going to hype him too much.

 

[DFF]

Until Conroy takes advantage of the cap space he is bragging about, it’s a crappy trade to me. Basically giving zadorov away for nothing to a division rival.

 

[Fig]

Until Conroy takes advantage of the cap space he is bragging about, it’s a crappy trade to me. Basically giving zadorov away for nothing to a division rival.

Agreed. I think it's closer to something like a Bjorkstrand move to move cap and decreasing the value of the player to do a quick salary move. Moving now allows us to accumulate cap longer. We will see how that all factors in by the TDL. It seems the Toffoli trade may have been somewhat similar as well. I saw the cap was low on most teams, but I didn't realize things had progressed to where basically less than half a dozen teams could take on 4 mil cap hit straight up and most teams are stuck gaming LTIR to make their caps compliant.

 

[InfinityIggy]

The cap space can't be overstated, go to cap friendly and look at how many teams are over the cap let alone at the cap. There are literally 4 teams in the league who can take Zadorovs cap hit. Now when we trade Lindholm, Tanev or Hanifin we can actually take on salary back to get more value then.

Connie's talking right now about it. Cap space in the modern era doesn't get talked about when it comes to how valuable it is, it's an asset in itself.

Cap space is extremely valuable, this is true. However, are we actually in a position to weaponize that cap space? I remain unconvinced of that.

 

[Fig]

Cap space is extremely valuable, this is true. However, are we actually in a position to weaponize that cap space? I remain unconvinced of that.

I think so. With how damn bad the cap crunch is for some teams, even fitting sub $5 mil contracts at TDL is a tough call. We will likely have to retain plus take on extra contracts just to get the trades to work. Some teams ultra close to cap via LTIR might only be able to take on a few mil, or may pay a hello of a premium to take more than one player.

Whether Conroy get paid the appropriate premium to facilitate these trades is where we see if he is a good GM or a poor one. Some poor looking moves at the beginning should actually end up being great positional moves later on depending on the other moves. So I want see this actually happen and I'm willing to have some faith. It'd taking a few steps back to get a running start before a jump.

Technically, Conroy hasn't really strayed from what he said he would do. But if we as fans are severely undervaluing cap space, then he honestly has been getting appropriate and not insanely poor returns on the trades thus far. But I need to see the entire chain of events before concurring that the Toffoli and Z trades weren't below market value in a brutal way.

 

[Hacketts]

why did he stop hitting?

 

[deleted user]

why did he stop hitting?

He didn't. What? Lol. He's had several very nice bigger hits this season. Plenty of smart hits, too.