Value of: Zach Werenski for your young centre

[Curufinwe]

Werenski for Provorov.

 

[Dumais]

Domi + 1st/good prospect for Werenski is a very decent offer.

Domi is young, plays center, and is producing like a first liner. Saying he gets only Nutivaara/Murray is ridiculous. What are the expectations here? Barkov? Hischier? Aho? Monahan? Larkin?

Werenski alone does not get these types of franchise C.

The deal I was referring too was: Drouin + Suzuki for Werenski + 2nd
As for Domi, he needs to repeat last season before I'd take him in a trade for Werenski.

 

[Viqsi]

Domi + 1st/good prospect for Werenski is a very decent offer.

Domi is young, plays center, and is producing like a first liner. Saying he gets only Nutivaara/Murray is ridiculous. What are the expectations here? Barkov? Hischier? Aho? Monahan? Larkin?

Werenski alone does not get these types of franchise C.

Barkov is reaching too far. Maybe Aho also. The rest would indeed be in the conversation.

 

[aqsw]

I would do Roslovic, a first, and a third.

 

[Slomo]

I would do Roslovic, a first, and a third.

Winnipeg would need to unload a contract to take on another high paid RFA. How about Roslovic, 1st and Kulikov or Perrault.

 

[Viqsi]

I would do Roslovic, a first, and a third.

When we say "young center", we kind of mean someone who's a top 1-2 center right now, not a third line winger who still might have some hope of becoming a center someday. Hometown affiliation does not improve on-ice capability.

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Winnipeg would need to unload a contract to take on another high paid RFA. How about Roslovic, 1st and Kulikov or Perrault.

Seriously, guys, Winnipeg has exactly one (1) player on the roster that qualifies as being acceptable in a Werenski deal, and I would be truly astonished if y'all had any desire whatsoever to trade him.

 

[HabsQC]

What offer sheet would CBJ not match ?

 

[LorenzoVonMatterhorn]

I'm amazed I've read through a few pages of this thread and didn't see Willie Nylander's name.

 

[TBF1972]

I'm amazed I've read through a few pages of this thread and didn't see Willie Nylander's name.

Maybe people have given up to sell him as a center.

 

[Viqsi]

What offer sheet would CBJ not match ?

League maximum. Maybe.

In all honesty, I think there's literally one (1) team in the League that could possibly manage a Werenski offer sheet without hamstringing their roster by having to start dumping assets like mad, and that's Colorado. Montreal has no hope whatsoever.
EDIT: Well, okay, Ottawa's got the room for it too, but, well, Melnyk.
EDIT 2: Oh, wait, I forgot that Rantanen also needs a contract. Never mind. Nobody can pull off an offer sheet. Sorry.

 

[IcedJuicebox]

Barkov is reaching too far. Maybe Aho also. The rest would indeed be in the conversation.

Larkin scored 73 in 76 games last year and is already inching into the selke conversation, werenskis a great player, but he doesn't get larkin either.

 

[Dumais]

Larkin scored 73 in 76 games last year and is already inching into the selke conversation, werenskis a great player, but he doesn't get larkin either.

Top pairing Dmen (top20 per NHL) are worth 60-70pt centers. It's fine if you are high on Larkin, and believe his defensive game makes him =/< than other Centers; and don't want to trade him.

To everyone else:
CBJ doesn't need defensive centers, it's not a requirement that your offer includes selke candidates, but they do have to be above 60-70 points and relatively young centers.

 

[mattydamon]

Top pairing Dmen (top20 per NHL) are worth 60-70pt centers. It's fine if you are high on Larkin, and believe his defensive game makes him =/< than other Centers; and don't want to trade him.

To everyone else:
CBJ doesn't need defensive centers, it's not a requirement that your offer includes selke candidates, but they do have to be above 60-70 points and relatively young centers.

Do you have some example players here? Werenski is great but you are describing a young 1C that is pretty valuable and there just aren't that many in the league. Most teams that have one are going to want to hold onto them unless they somehow have an excess....this seems pretty rare.

 

[Dumais]

Do you have some example players here? Werenski is great but you are describing a young 1C that is pretty valuable and there just aren't that many in the league. Most teams that have one are going to want to hold onto them unless they somehow have an excess....this seems pretty rare.

And so are defensemen who score 10+g 40points their 1st 3years while being good enough defensively that Torts has him on the top pairing.

Thats pretty rare too.

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

I tend to think that Werenski is being underestimated. I think it’s hard to come to an agreement on 1 for 1 trades involve players of his caliber, but a 21 year old top pair defenseman returns a similar aged top line center. There just aren’t a lot of either type of player thought to be available.

 

[Intangir]

I tend to think that Werenski is being underestimated. I think it’s hard to come to an agreement on 1 for 1 trades involve players of his caliber, but a 21 year old top pair defenseman returns a similar aged top line center. There just aren’t a lot of either type of player thought to be available.

They're not available because everyone wants them, until two teams figure out that they'd probably be better, more well-rounded, while dressing the other team's guy and that's when a 1-for-1 trade is made, which is pretty freaking rare.

I won't debate Werenski's value overall as right now there's really no consensus and I wouldn't want to beat a dead horse for nothing, but I see a lot of names in this thread that would make sense in a straight-up deal or package, I'm just not sure if there's a fit to be made right now.

I personally see Werenski signing a short-term deal, performing well and then either getting traded to better suit C-Bus's prospect pipeline and overabundance of good, young LHD, or re-signed for more money.

Potentially, if one or more of our young guys at center, namely Poehling, Kotkaniemi or Suzuki, prove that they're ready this year and take a major step forward to becoming full-fledged top-6 centermen, and Kukan, Gavrikov or Carlsson also show good stuff (with Murray being already established), we could re-visit a hypothetical trade involving Domi and Werenski alongside other parts if needed next summer as there would be a better fit then.

 

[Fro]

Do you have some example players here? Werenski is great but you are describing a young 1C that is pretty valuable and there just aren't that many in the league. Most teams that have one are going to want to hold onto them unless they somehow have an excess....this seems pretty rare.

Obvious one is Johansen for Jones

 

[Viqsi]

Obvious one is Johansen for Jones

Yeah, except I'd want to aim a little bit higher than the Preds did in a Werenski deal, thus my flinching at names like Horvat and Trocheck.

 

[Fro]

Yeah, except I'd want to aim a little bit higher than the Preds did in a Werenski deal, thus my flinching at names like Horvat and Trocheck.

Personally I'd do trocheck with an add from Florida but with them adding Bob, not sure they will do roster players

 

[Spartachat]

Will Nylander

 

[Viqsi]

Will Nylander

Not proven at center.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Torey Krug, prospects, and a first?

 

[Dumais]

No ty, Rather wait and see if Murray bonus back and becomes a Krug like player. And packages wouldn't be helpful since the team has every position filled (except 2c ofcourse) already. Would actually like to package Wennberg or Jenner with Werenski in a trade.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Torey Krug, prospects, and a first?

Are you serious?

 

[Scintillating10]

I wouldn’t want to move ZW but I’m intrigued as to what other fan bases think he is worth.

How much to sign Werenski though? Going by some of the trade offers it is going to be expensive. Karlsson just signed long term for 11.5 million