You're MacT: What do you do now?

Raab

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I wouldn't call Coburn a top pairing d man... maybe on this team.

I'd say he's a top 60 dman in the league, and certainly better then anyone we have now. If we can add him I don't think it hurts the team but we would still need to bring in another dman. I think something like


Ference-Bogosian
Coburn-J.Schultz
Schultz-Belov
Grebs

Would be a million times better then what we have now.
 

Kovacs

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What exactly is "Dallas Eakins hockey"? Hopefully things will change, but Oilers played better last year than this year, until RNH injury. So far "Dallas Eakins hockey" is "loser hockey", and that doesn't get played in the playoffs.

If youre going to go that way Kruger played "loser hockey" to, 19-22-9 doesn't scream winners.
Eakins has improved our shot differential significantly and our faceoffs. Sure you can say Gordon's the reason but one player can't increase our percentages like they have.
 

Oilfan2

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If youre going to go that way Kruger played "loser hockey" to, 19-22-9 doesn't scream winners.
Eakins has improved our shot differential significantly and our faceoffs. Sure you can say Gordon's the reason but one player can't increase our percentages like they have.

If you're going to give him credit for the shot diff and faceoffs then he gets the goat horns for the losses, lousy PP and PK, terrible D coverage (swarm?), etc...Can't have the good and not take the bad.
 

Soundwave

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I hate to say it, but I think the idea of bringing in rookie coaches (at the NHL level) to coach a group this young and fragile is looking like a mistake.

That goes for both Krueger and Eakins, they seem both to be in over their heads.

Should've just stuck with Renney to be honest if this was going to be the result.

Not sure what we can do about it now though. If this gets to so bad that its epic, then Mac T will have to step in and coach I think, but I don't think it will get quite that bad.
 

pancirios

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Honestly, don't blown up anything yet. I waive Gazdic, Brown, Acton. When Gagner is back I roll. RNH, Arcobello, Gagner, Gordon as my centers. Hall, Perron, Smyth, Omark as LW and Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky, Joensuu as my RW. Having grit is overrated when they can't actually play hockey. Rotate Jones with Omark if you want. Make whatever lines you want out of these players.
 
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McCrumb

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Trade for a goalie like Elliot. Won't cost a ton and it can't hurt. Keep Dubnyk for a backup.
 

nexttothemoon

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Obviously still need a better goalie and a better d-core. That should be the priority for MacT going forward... now... at the trading deadline and next summer. Those areas have needed addressing for a long time and it's an ongoing area of mediocrity in the roster.
 

McCrumb

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Elliot hasn't exactly lit it up in his career outside of St. Louis.

Who cares. Either has Labarbera and Dubnyk. Better than what we have and won't cost us any core pieces. Can't hurt. My other suggestion is Lehner but that would cost us a big piece.
 

Beatle17

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That too. The Flyers have a lot of pieces that can help us and they need a Jordan Eberle or Nail Yakupov. It makes a lot of sense.

I really don't think the Flyers need these players. Ever since the lockout they are one of the highest scoring teams in the league. They are just having problems scoring this year. Once the scoring for them gets back on track they will start winning some games. Their low shooting percentage will balance out and they will start to score.
 

tiger_80

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I hate to say it, but I think the idea of bringing in rookie coaches (at the NHL level) to coach a group this young and fragile is looking like a mistake.

That goes for both Krueger and Eakins, they seem both to be in over their heads.

Should've just stuck with Renney to be honest if this was going to be the result.

Not sure what we can do about it now though. If this gets to so bad that its epic, then Mac T will have to step in and coach I think, but I don't think it will get quite that bad.

If Eakins does not sort out this ****, I would not mind MacT as a coach. I am surprised he never got a job in the NHL. He did quite well with less than ideal rosters he had at his disposal.
 

KeithIsActuallyBad

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Who cares. Either has Labarbera and Dubnyk. Better than what we have and won't cost us any core pieces. Can't hurt. My other suggestion is Lehner but that would cost us a big piece.

If we're going to get an upgrade we might as well get a damn good one.

Getting Elliot is like switching from an SNES to a Genesis.

It looks different but it's ultimately the same.
 

mactforcoach

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Honestly I think they need to just play through this. Any trade he tries to make now will be tilted the other way. If we don't make the playoffs this year will anyone really be surprised? You know this will eventually turn around and we'll end the season between 20 and 25 giving us 6-10 pick.

They really need to be focused on picking up a starter goalie next summer and that #1D we so desperately need and be prepared to pay a premium to get them.
 

jp7

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"Anaheim #Ducks G Viktor Fasth is out with a lower-body injury. Frederik Andersen has been recalled from the Norfolk #Admirals (#AHL)"

Doubt much is done regarding Hiller then
 

Raab

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"Anaheim #Ducks G Viktor Fasth is out with a lower-body injury. Frederik Andersen has been recalled from the Norfolk #Admirals (#AHL)"

Doubt much is done regarding Hiller then

Depends how long he's out. Maybe Anderson looks really good and they decide they can move Hiller when Fasth is back.
 

cyril*

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I hate to say it, but I think the idea of bringing in rookie coaches (at the NHL level) to coach a group this young and fragile is looking like a mistake.

That goes for both Krueger and Eakins, they seem both to be in over their heads.

Should've just stuck with Renney to be honest if this was going to be the result.

Not sure what we can do about it now though. If this gets to so bad that its epic, then Mac T will have to step in and coach I think, but I don't think it will get quite that bad.

Look out, I said that in the summer after Eakins was hired and people jumped all over me. That said, I agree, this team needs a veteran coach not someone learning on the job.
 

Tad Mikowsky

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This isn't a coaching problem anymore. Nor is it a management problem.

It's a player problem. It's all on them. They've gone through so many coaches in as many years, and MacT is a fresh GM.

The core, IMO, is rotten. It needs a shakeup. I've preached patience for a long ass time. I begrudgingly accepted the rebuild, while others pathetically were over joyed at tanking.

One of the "core" needs to go. They are proving to me that they aren't capable at winning.
 

hawks889

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This isn't a coaching problem anymore. Nor is it a management problem.

It's a player problem. It's all on them. They've gone through so many coaches in as many years, and MacT is a fresh GM.

The core, IMO, is rotten. It needs a shakeup. I've preached patience for a long ass time. I begrudgingly accepted the rebuild, while others pathetically were over joyed at tanking.

One of the "core" needs to go. They are proving to me that they aren't capable at winning.

Exactly agree with you 100 percent, its so obvious this core is not the right mix, it never will be, the fact that the team is no closer to a playoff spot than it was 4 years ago is evident of this, After Kane and Toews debuted it took them only 2 years to make the playoffs and 3 to win the stanley cup.
 

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Trade from strength to fill a need. One of the big 4 for a solid goalie and 3rd liner/3-4 shut down d-man, and a prospect for a 3rd liner or shut down 3-4 d-man.

It fills your team's needs, and sends a message to a group that I believe needs a wake-up call.
 

CommonMeans*

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It's actually gotten to the point where I'd be marginally happy to see the Oilers win.

When you constantly change everything around a young core group of players the only message you're sending in my opinion is that they can do no wrong. Time to shake it up and send one of them off. Eberlie would probably hurt the least, but also garner the lesser return.
 

Burnt Biscuits

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I think MacTavish is in a tough spot I don't think their is much he can do at this point.

If I was MacTavish first thing I would do is invite Eakins out for lunch and have a good long talk about how he feels about the team. I would tell him irregardless of what system he is trying to employ this team absolutely needs to have a stronger defensive presence in the slot, cause what we are doing now is not working. Secondly I would talk about the PK and how it's not delivering what it was before under the previous regime, I'd tell him I willing to accept worse numbers for the time being as he is trying to adjust players who haven't played on the PK before into roles they are not accustomed to and it could be to our long term benefit. I'd mention he might not want to try to adjust so many players at once who are not accustomed to it and while it can be good to keep your top players in the flow of the game and kind of force feed them some defensive principles, sometimes it's just a lost cause and if you have good quality people who excel at pk'g (e.g. Boyd Gordon) there's no sense not using them in that role.

Next order of business is I'd rattle chains to see if I can get an improvement in goal on the cheap. I'm thinking no one will really be to forth coming at this point of the season, and I don't think this team is really close enough to the playoffs to overpay substantially; but if Dubnyk is really stinking it up still around game 20-30 I'd probably bite the bullet even if the price is a little hefty the stink of losing is getting too strong here. We need to atleast keep the vibe that we're building something here.

Second most important thing would be to get a real stud who can anchor the D and be the focal point we build our D core around. One really solid D man can change the entire complexion of our D core which seems pretty ho-hum. A solid d-partner can hide a lot of holes if Chris Pronger can con us into thinking Bergeron is a stud, I'm sure Ryan Suter or someone of that ilk could do something similair with J. Schultz or Petry. Depending on the d-man is I might be willing to trade any of the kids with the exception of Taylor Hall, to trade Nuge it would have to be the "perfect" fit.

Thirdly I would try to get a power forward right wing who can play preferrably a top 6 role, but that can be expensive so I might settle for more a top 9 guy with some latent offensive upside and shoe-horn him into that role, just to improve our mix.

Lastly this team has way a lot of players who are offensively gifted and we have a few who are defensively gifted, but really not much of anyone who is solid both offensively and defensively. We really need more two-way players who can play in multiple roles on this team and can be put on the ice in any situation. That needs to become much more of a focal point on this team. Hopefully our young kids will learn to become much better two-way players cause that would go a long way to correcting many of our short-comings.



1st person I would dangle to get what we need is Smid, he's someone I wanted re-signed badly last season, but he's not a great fit in Eakins system or for the kind of team we are trying to build. While pretty solid defensively his complete lack of ability to make a forward pass to start the break-out and always sending it to side or back for someone else to get the puck moving is a glaring issue for someone who is playing significant minutes on this team. We just can't have that on a team that wants to create quick movement upto it's forwards. A player could be wide open up the boards and he still feeds it straight to Petry or J. Schultz to get the play started. One of Smids greatest strengths is his shot blocking which is really down played in Eakins system, where he wants the forwards going down up high from the source of the shot and the d staying up and defending.

Next I would look to move one of Eberle, Yakupov, or Hemsky. They are all skill based players who don't provide a lot of grit and believe one of these players will need to be moved out for someone who will play that way.

Then I would look towards our left defense prospects of which we have a ton, try to seperate the one's who will have an impact on the team from the one's that won't and trade the ones who we think will come up a little short on making this team before the other team's figure it out.

Lastly trade picks, if we are going to trade some I'd like to do it early where we have a good chance at improving our position and can hopefully turn winning into more of a habit. Really scary trading our 1st given where we sit, but if it's for someone that will really help us now and in the future I think I would be willing to make that bold step.
 

Burnt Biscuits

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Teams I'd target for defensive help would be the Rangers and the Capitals, see if they keep sliding and hopefully we can wiggle someone out if they keep struggling.
 

OG Eberle

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Id try and acquire Hartnell and Coburn from Philadelphia. I'd offer Hemsky plus either Klefbom or two other prospects of Philedalphias choice not named Nurse.

After this deal I'd trade Smid for a defensive specialist RW for the 3rd line .

I'd sign Bryzgalov for a year and put Labarbera on waivers.

Trade N.Schultz for an upgrade on Brown, then trade Brown for a pick.

Hall - Gagner - Yakupov
Joensuu - RNH - Eberle
Perron - Gordon - New guy
Smyth - Arcobello - New guy

Coburn - Petry
Ference - Belov
Larsen - Schultz

Dubnyk
Bryzgalov

So you trade for Hartnell and then bench him?:sarcasm:
 
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If Eakins does not sort out this ****, I would not mind MacT as a coach. I am surprised he never got a job in the NHL. He did quite well with less than ideal rosters he had at his disposal.

Ya, he was a regular Toe Blake. I guess the other 29 gm's are a few notches below ours.
 

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