Speculation: Young "Unqualified" Free Agents

[crashnburnluder]

Well according to Custance, we are in communication with grigorenko

 

[RedWingzz]

Well according to Custance, we are in communication with grigorenko

I'd gamble on Grigorenko.

Low-risk potential high-reward. Worst case scenario, he's too soft, and doesn't find his game, we lose him after 1 year. Best case, he rejuvenates his career.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Well according to Custance, we are in communication with grigorenko

Of the names listed in the original post, Grigs makes the most sense to me. I also agree with Custance's logic that the team does not need any more veteran free agent leadership and should instead be using the leadership it paid/overpaid for last offseason to held bring along a young reclamation project.

 

[HIFE]

**** look at the names on the entire list. Do we really believe Vanek and Daley are better options than a gamble on even just ONE of these projects? I mean what do the Wings really expect to accomplish this season?

UNQUALIFIED SKATER RFAs (Will become UFAs)
Team
Name
POS
Status

ANA Etem, Emerson RW Not Qualified
ARI Holland, Peter C Not Qualified
ARI Burmistrov, Alexander C Not Qualified
ARI Downing, Grayson C Not Qualified
ARI Jooris, Josh C Not Qualified
ARI Moroz, Mitch LW Not Qualified
ARI Morin, Jeremy LW Not Qualified
ARI Troock, Branden RW Not Qualified
BOS Hargrove, Colton LW Not Qualified
BOS Morrow, Joe D Not Qualified
BUF Austin, Brady D Not Qualified
BUF Dupuy, Jean C Not Qualified
BUF Kea, Justin C Not Qualified
CGY Chiasson, Alex RW Not Qualified
CGY Culkin, Ryan D Not Qualified
CGY Morrison, Kenney D Not Qualified
CAR Karlsson, Erik LW Not Qualified(Signed in SHL)
CAR Nestrasil, Andrej LW Not Qualified
CHI Helgesen, Kenton LW Will Not Be Qualified
CHI Latta, Michael C Will Not Be Qualified
CHI Ramussen, Dennis C Not Qualified
CHI Valleau, Nolan D Will Not Be Qualified
COL Gelinas, Eric D Not Qualified
COL Bourke, Troy C Not Qualified
COL Elson, Turner LW Not Qualified
COL Grigorenko, Mikhail C Not Qualified
COL Henley, Samuel C Not Qualified
COL Wiercioch, Patrick D Not Qualified
CBJ Yevenko, Oleg D Not Qualified
DAL Backman, Mattias D Not Qualified
DAL Ebert, Nick D Not Qualified
EDM Lander, Anton C Not Qualified(Signed in KHL)
EDM Musil, David D Not Qualified
EDM Pochiro, Zachary LW Not Qualified
EDM Sallinen, Jere C Not Qualified(Signed in SHL)
EDM Samuelsson, Henrik C Not Qualified
FLA Balisy, Chase RW Not Qualified
FLA Black, Graham C Not Qualified
FLA Bozon, Tim LW Not Qualified(Signed in NLA)
FLA Hodges, Steven C Not Qualified
FLA Rau, Kyle LW Not Qualified
FLA Scarlett, Reece D Not Qualified
FLA Sgarbossa, Michael C Not Qualified
LAK Bjorkstand, Patrick C Not Qualified
LAK Lowry, Joel LW Not Qualified
MIN Brassart, Brady C Will Not Be Qualified
MIN Folin, Christian D Not Qualified
MIN Gelinas, Guillaume D Will not be qualified (Signed in Europe)
MIN Gudbranson, Alex D Will Not Be Qualified
MTL Crisp, Connor LW Not Qualified
MTL Hanley, Joel D Not Qualified
MTL Johnston, Ryan D Not Qualified(Signed in SHL)
MTL Lowe, Keegan D Not Qualified
MTL MacMillan, Mark RW Not Qualified
MTL Matteau, Stefan LW Not Qualified
MTL Nesterov, Nikita D Not Qualified
MTL Thrower, Dalton D Not Qualified
NAS Rissling, Jaynen D Not Qualified
NJD Bennett, Beau RW Not Qualified
NYI Finn, Matthew D Not Qualified
NYI Graham, Jesse D Not Qualified
NYI Leduc, Loic D Not Qualified
NYR Catenacci, Dan C Not Qualified
NYR Clendening, Adam D Not Qualified
NYR Donnay, Troy D Not Qualified
NYR Paliotta, Michael D Not Qualified
NYR Pirri, Brandon LW Not Qualified
OTT Jokipakka, Jyrki D Not Qualified
OTT Rupert, Ryan C Will Not Be Qualified
PHI Pettersson, Jesper D Not Qualified (Signed in SHL)
PIT Erixon, Tim D Not Qualified
PIT Percy, Stuart D Not Qualified
SJS Jevpalovs, Nikita RW Not Qualified
SJS McNally, Patrick D Not Qualified
STL Caron, Jordan RW Not Qualified
STL Doty, Jacob C Not Qualified
STL Ferraro, Landon RW Not Qualified
STL Rattie, Ty RW Not Qualified
STL Yakupov, Nail RW Not Qualified
TBL Blujus, Dylan D Not Qualified
TBL Ikonen, Henri LW Not Qualified (Signed in KHL)
TBL Racine, Jonathan D Not Qualified
TOR Griffith, Seth RW Not Qualified
TOR Kalinin, Sergei RW Not Qualified
VAN Cramarossa, Joseph LW Not Qualified
VAN Nilsson, Tom D Not Qualified(Signed in SHL)
VAN Shore, Drew C Not Qualified(Signed in NLA)
VAN Zalewski, Mike LW Not Qualified
WAS Corbett, Cody D Not Qualified
WAS Dietz, Darren D Not Qualified
WPG Howden, Quinton LW Not Qualified
WPG Kosmachuk, Scott RW Not Qualified
WPG Olsen, Ryan C Not Qualified

 

[Henkka]

Nail Yakupov has best 2016-17 HIGH-DANGER Corsi% (for/against) of all free agents at this summer.

Totally surprising. Kid can at least defend. For number is mediocre but against numbers very low.

Vanek is the exact opposite. Same with Hudler. Both are top10 in HD corsi against. Abysmal defending.

Btw, Steve Ott was league-worst on that stat at last season. Unbelieveable that someone wanted to give draft pick for him.

 

[Reddwit]

Nail Yakupov has best 2016-17 HIGH-DANGER Corsi% (for/against) of all free agents at this summer.

Totally surprising. Kid can at least defend. For number is mediocre but against numbers very low.

Vanek is the exact opposite. Same with Hudler. Both are top10 in HD corsi against. Abysmal defending.

Btw, Steve Ott was league-worst on that stat at last season. Unbelieveable that someone wanted to give draft pick for him.

Part of me would love to see Yakupov here.

 

[Beltv]

Nail Yakupov has best 2016-17 HIGH-DANGER Corsi% (for/against) of all free agents at this summer.

Totally surprising. Kid can at least defend. For number is mediocre but against numbers very low.

Vanek is the exact opposite. Same with Hudler. Both are top10 in HD corsi against. Abysmal defending.

Btw, Steve Ott was league-worst on that stat at last season. Unbelieveable that someone wanted to give draft pick for him.

Alright, I have never really got into the ADV Stats scene...can you tell me what any of this means? LOL

Or give me a link to maybe describe this stuff.

 

[Frk It]

Grigorenko or Burmistrov would be a solid pick-up. I'd grab either one and then try and flip Sheahan at the TDL.

 

[ZDH]

Part of me would love to see Yakupov here.

Me too, only on a 1 yr deal but if he found his form it would be well worth it.

 

[SirKillalot]

Grab both Grigorenko and Yakupov. The best chance of grabbing potential young cheap scoring forwards who could break out and find their feet in the NHL. Worst case the team end up in the same position in the standings, best case these guys figure it out and score 50+ points.

Jokipakka, Rattie & Griffith could also be options.

 

[Debrincat93]

i thought Jokipokka went back to Europe?

 

[PortoMarco]

I'd go for Yakupov.

 

[Henkka]

Grab both Grigorenko and Yakupov. The best chance of grabbing potential young cheap scoring forwards who could break out and find their feet in the NHL. Worst case the team end up in the same position in the standings, best case these guys figure it out and score 50+ points.

Jokipakka, Rattie & Griffith could also be options.

Svechnikov - Grigorenko - Yakupov

New Russian3.

 

[Henkka]

Grab both Grigorenko and Yakupov. The best chance of grabbing potential young cheap scoring forwards who could break out and find their feet in the NHL. Worst case the team end up in the same position in the standings, best case these guys figure it out and score 50+ points.

Jokipakka, Rattie & Griffith could also be options.

Checked those HIGH-danger Corsis for these players.

Rattie is one of league-worst players. Griffith is pretty good. Could be worth to try.

Jokipakka is also one of worst NHLrs from last season. Usually this kind of 3rd pairing guys can have nice looking inflated stats, but Jokipakka looks just bad in every possible category.

Good:
Yakupov 61.6% (against 4th liners, could be inflated)
Griffith ~59.0% (59.6% at Florida, 54.7 at Toronto, good sign if you do well on two teams)

Bad:
Grigorenko 40.4% (bottom side of a bad team)
Jokipakka 39.4%
Rattie ~33.5% (34.95% at STL, 32.42% at CAR. bad in two teams, alarming signal)


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Why I'm talking all the about these HIGH-DANGER chances? Because imo, it's the best possible stat to analyze players. I usually combine many stats together to get a strong formula, but if I have to pick one stat, I would suggest high-danger Corsi for everybody.

I hate normal Corsi. Because the starting point is horrible. Every shot attempt is not equal in hockey. For example, point shots have 1.0-1.5% probability to go in. Net-front chances the probability is 20-30%. Only lunatic would address these as equal, like basic Corsi does.

So, I prefer to look only for HIGH-Dangers, and why?

Because, great playmakers pass best Scoring chances on HIGH-Danger Zone (near area of the net-front), because they know that there's the best probability to score. Pavel Datsyuk did this all the time. Created them, prevented them. Best overall forward on his last decade he played, period. Weak offensive players can't do that, defencemen will block their passes etc. Lazy players don't prevent attempts. Or other just won't get it, those percentages and probabilities. Why to create better percentage chances and why to prevent them. Those are just idiotic players.

And as for defencemen, imo, preventing HIGH-Dangers is the best stat to evaluate defensive skill. Defending the net-front basicly. It's not shot attempts or all Corsi attempts. Horrible stats. Some best defencemen are smart to push all shots outside, so shots would be easy for a goaltender, but their shots against stats will look bad and they are bashed on HERO charts or some crap fancy stats like that. But they are smart, when their priority is to prevent HIGH-Dangers. Prevent one HIGH-danger, and you can let let 5 weak shots through from bad angles --> you are doing good job, in a nutshell.

So it's a good stat for both defencemen and forwards. Especially for defensive forwards. Or separate offensive-only forwards from defensive-only forwards. What their overall impact would be. Or look that forward efficiency in general. Like Vanek is good offensively, but he is horrible defensively. And that way, on my view, a negative impact player.

 

[Boomhower]

Checked those HIGH-danger Corsis for these players.

Rattie is one of league-worst players. Griffith is pretty good. Could be worth to try.

Jokipakka is also one of worst NHLrs from last season. Usually this kind of 3rd pairing guys can have nice looking inflated stats, but Jokipakka looks just bad in every possible category.

Griffith's IQ is off the charts.
He will not hurt you defensively.

 

[Henkka]

Griffith's IQ is off the charts.
He will not hurt you defensively.

Yeas, he looks surprisingly good. Especially he thriwed at Florida, which was a mess. Best player in HDCF% at Florida, on his 20 games.

 

[Boomhower]

Yeas, he looks surprisingly good. Especially he thriwed at Florida, which was a mess. Best player in HDCF% at Florida, on his 20 games.

Doesn't surprise me as a London Knights fan.
He was the best pure hockey player in London for two years and was PK specialist and used as the lone forward on all 5v3 PK's.

He has outproduced the AHL offensivey.
And like you mention... his advanced defensive stats in his small NHL stints prove he won't hurt you. He needs a legit chance.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Tatar
Larkin - Nielsen - Mantha
Yakupov - Grigorenko - Athanasiou
Abdelkader - Glendening - Helm

(Burmistrov could be a option too)

 

[SirKillalot]

Rattie's sample size in the NHL is too small to say he's not good enough. In addition to that playing limited minutes. But I agree that I would rate him behind the others in terms of signing order/preference.

Jokipakka okay he has some bad number for playing 100+ games but at the same time he's played for teams who's been bad defensively as units and he's still young. Obviously he is the one the team need the least of these, but I don't think it would hurt to give him a try with a two-way deal.

 

[HIFE]

It's infuriating that instead of the possibility of a savvy pick-up on a younger NHL gamble the Wings as usual are hamstrung by the asinine goal of making the PO's. In what world is Daley and Vanek legitimately a smarter option than some of these 23 year-old's being discussed?

We're in a state as a team that under no circumstances should be thinking of ourselves as anything than a bottom 5 team. What's worse is they know the truth but insist on pushing the fantasy we're still competitive down fans' throats.

If we were rebuilding there would be ample space to take a shot on two of these guys. Heck our own prospects could fill the space. I keep reading here, "they're not ready". Ready for what? To play on a bottom NHL team that has 0% chance making a CF? To play with energy and speed as we begin the process of gathering a new core?

It's disgusting that money is the single factor guiding the Wings. Not pride, not intelligence, or a love of the game. They are liars and staring at the possibilities on this list is further evidence of the fact.

 

[Henkka]

Signing Daley isn't anything else than acquiring a free asset.

Then sell another asset for draft picks.

That's rebuilding.

 

[Heaton]

Signing Daley isn't anything else than acquiring a free asset.

Then sell another asset for draft picks.

That's rebuilding.

Unless he's signed to a 1 year deal you're absolutely wrong. No one is going to trade for Trevor Daley at the deadline on a 3-4 year 4m+ contract.

 

[HIFE]

Signing Daley isn't anything else than acquiring a free asset.

Then sell another asset for draft picks.

That's rebuilding.

Daley's gonna sign for 1 year? No it's a desperate attempt to make the PO's, just like the confused signings of Vanek, Ott, and Nielsen. Oh wow I forgot an extra 3rd and 5th round pick, genius. This team has no identity or vision.

It's obvious they have no trust in Ouellet, Jensen, Sproul, Russo, etc. But we could run with the players WE chose, for better or worse. Holland want's to cheat the cycle of pro-sports by delaying the inevitability of rebuilding. The only people he's cheating are hockey fans having to witness a sinking ship held together by silicone and junk patches.

 

[Henkka]

Daley's gonna sign for 1 year? No it's a desperate attempt to make the PO's, just like the confused signings of Vanek, Ott, and Nielsen. Oh wow I forgot an extra 3rd and 5th round pick, genius. This team has no identity or vision.

It's obvious they have no trust in Ouellet, Jensen, Sproul, Russo, etc. But we could run with the players WE chose, for better or worse. Holland want's to cheat the cycle of pro-sports by delaying the inevitability of rebuilding. The only people he's cheating are hockey fans having to witness a sinking ship held together by silicone and junk patches.

Daley signed for long-term deal + other player traded for picks = rebuilding.

Daley signed for 1-year deal and Daley traded for picks = rebuilding.

Just waste of time to whine anything else.

 

[Winger98]

Daley signed for long-term deal + other player traded for picks = rebuilding.

Daley signed for 1-year deal and Daley traded for picks = rebuilding.

Just waste of time to whine anything else.

Daley signed for long-term and Kronwall LTIRed.