"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain": Leo Komarov

[Bluelines]

No.

First off, the guys you mentioned are defenders. They also produce much better than Komarov.

They are also top end performers when it comes to adjusted possession, zone entries and zone exits, play-driving in the offensive zone and so on. Pretty much every metric available paints these guys as terrific players outside that production. The same metrics paint Komarov as a fourth liner in way, way over his head. For them, 'part of' shows a slightly disappointing production in a picture that is extremely positive. For Leo, 'part of' indicate a horrendous rate of production in a picture that is predominantly negative.


I have no idea what this even means. I don't feel boxed in at all. I even struggle to understand what the counter-argument even is, because it seems to get bogged down in trying to argue the semantics of things to avoid addressing the overwhelming case that is, unfortunately, against Leo.


As I've noted a few times before in this thread, Leo has been one of my favorite players over the last few years. I'm evaluating him the same way as I do anybody else, and I'm highly critical of him because that same evaluation paints a worse picture than pretty much anybody else on the team.

I even want Leo back. I just want him back for the player he is now. A PK specialist who should be on the fourth line.


Bad example. Andersen is a goaltender, scoring goals is not remotely close to part of his job description. Leo is a forward who is currently playing really big minutes, as such he needs to be able to participate in more ways than just being reliable to not screw up, and to defend well in his own zone. He needs to be able to get puck, he needs to be able to move it out, he needs to be able to help us establish play in the offensive zone and he needs to help us put up some at times too.

But yes, role is definitely something you take into account. The thing is, even at his core role, that of a shutdown forward, he is not performing well right now. And it's not only statistically, you can see him screw up in a way he rarely did before. The flyby on Ovechkin, the hail mary right up the middle last game. Things that Komarov pretty much never did even last season.

There are less wordy ways to express you missed the point.

 

[Bluelines]

You can't see hockey knowledge with binoculars

Uh... you are either the most literal person on earth or a computer.

 

[Bluelines]

What are you mumbling about?

If it is me lacking my own opinions then you have not been on here much at all.

LOL..I seriously LOLed on that one. Its so grumpy old man get off my lawn type comment, which I fully respect.

 

[Bluelines]

imagine actually thinking that expecting a forward who gets ample powerplay time to put up points is the same as expecting a goaltender to score goals. literally the stupidest thing I've ever read

LOL , calling an easy to understand post stupid when you can't understand that each player has a different role brings up a philosophical question is the post stupid or is the reader who cant understand an easy to understand post as dumb as a bag of rocks? Sorry, that was uncool of me, I think I just insulted a bag of rocks.

In my public speaking days, when I use to give seminars, I was taught to pick out the slowest person in the room and speak to her/him and that way everyone in the audience will understand. So for Cant Lose with Matthews its just you and me, I'll explain it to you like you are the only person in the room.

You typically don't measure a goalie or defenceman on how many goals they score, simple enough to understand. Which is why I used them in that post, thought that was a pretty simple concept to understand, not everyone has the same role to play. So that tells us that SOME players job is not to rack up points but to suppress offence. I think that is another concept that easy enough to understand. To understand how Babcock uses Komarov its as simple as looking at how he is deployed on special teams, Komarov one of the least used forwards on the PP and THE most used forward on the PK. For the brighter kids in the class they can take those two simple facts and immediately draw a conclusion as to what Komarov's job is (hint its not to drive offence). For those that still struggle with SIMPLE facts of how Komarove is used, well they will continue to not understand hockey.

I know you are going to say "yeah but" which is what most of the kids say who don't pay attention but I think you have the potential to maybe "get it" one day.

Can anyone tell me what Komarov's GAA or SV% is?

Merry Christmas!!!

 

[Pookie]

LOL , calling an easy to understand post stupid when you can't understand that each player has a different role brings up a philosophical question is the post stupid or is the reader who cant understand an easy to understand post as dumb as a bag of rocks? Sorry, that was uncool of me, I think I just insulted a bag of rocks.

In my public speaking days, when I use to give seminars, I was taught to pick out the slowest person in the room and speak to her/him and that way everyone in the audience will understand. So for Cant Lose with Matthews its just you and me, I'll explain it to you like you are the only person in the room.

You typically don't measure a goalie or defenceman on how many goals they score, simple enough to understand. Which is why I used them in that post, thought that was a pretty simple concept to understand, not everyone has the same role to play. So that tells us that SOME players job is not to rack up points but to suppress offence. I think that is another concept that easy enough to understand. To understand how Babcock uses Komarov its as simple as looking at how he is deployed on special teams, Komarov one of the least used forwards on the PP and THE most used forward on the PK. For the brighter kids in the class they can take those two simple facts and immediately draw a conclusion as to what Komarov's job is (hint its not to drive offence). For those that still struggle with SIMPLE facts of how Komarove is used, well they will continue to not understand hockey.

I know you are going to say "yeah but" which is what most of the kids say who don't pay attention but I think you have the potential to maybe "get it" one day.

Can anyone tell me what Komarov's GAA or SV% is?

Merry Christmas!!!

Well explained.

If you get a minute, I am struggling with something.

I've read how Leo is to blame for Kadri's... now career high(?)... pointless streak. The theory is that Leo can't help sustain offence so it's hard to score.

Yet - Kadri has 34 shots on net over these 10 games... a full shot per game more than his average before the pointless streak.

Explain to me please... slow and simple like... how Leo is to blame for any one of these shots not going in?

 

[Bluelines]

Well explained.

If you get a minute, I am struggling with something.

I've read how Leo is to blame for Kadri's... now career high(?)... pointless streak. The theory is that Leo can't help sustain offence so it's hard to score.

Yet - Kadri has 34 shots on net over these 10 games... a full shot per game more than his average before the pointless streak.

Explain to me please... slow and simple like... how Leo is to blame for any one of these shots not going in?

Yer stuuuupeeeed , anyone with a fraction of a brain cell can tell Kadri is distracted by Komarov's manly 5 day old scruff... that man is one tall cup of coffee, not sure what that means but the wife says it to me about other men all the time...I think it means they are polite people?

So when Kadri had 23 points in 25 games, Komarov had nothing to do with that but now that Kadri is on a bit of a dry spell its all Komarov's fault? I defy anyone to explain how both can be true?

The following stats are usually looked at with a raised eyebrow but still its good to see Komarov is not just sitting in his old man rocker all day.

108 hits - 2nd on team 4 behind Martin.
Hits/GP - 2nd on team 0.28 behind Martin.
Blocked shots - 29, 2nd for forwards on team 3 behind Matthews.
PK TOI 104:09 - the most among forwards

Leo is a beauty, glad to have this warrior on our Leafs, one of the best defensive wingers in the league? Maybe. The best defensive forward on our team, that is without doubt.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Just take him off the PP for a start is all I ask

 

[Mr Hockey]

He is the first 1 (screener) on the PP, I am thinking people don't understand Babcock's 1~3~1 umbrella system? Leo shares that role with Brown on the 2nd unit.

1 < screen
3 < 3 players across
1 < d'man

 

[Ratboy]

I just have to say, I love that people are still quoting The Dark Knight. Best superhero movie, ever.

 

[Nithoniniel]

There are less wordy ways to express you missed the point.

It was a bad point. You're right I shouldn't have wasted time on it.

I don't want to fight you on this, Blue. I've actually enjoyed your posts for a while now, on other topics. If there's no discussion to be had, let's just leave it at that, ok?

 

[Bluelines]

It was a bad point. You're right I shouldn't have wasted time on it.

I don't want to fight you on this, Blue. I've actually enjoyed your posts for a while now, on other topics. If there's no discussion to be had, let's just leave it at that, ok?

Same to you, I enjoy reading your posts, you are a good hockey man/woman. Unless your opinion differs from mine then you are the dumbest person ever (Sooooooo kidding!)