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glenngineer
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I think you're 3-5 changes happen between the draft, free agency, buyouts and trades.
Honestly, if I'm GMDP I draft the BPA whether it be Drouin or Barkov.
I go after a few free agent forwards. Ribiero, Dupuis and Iginla would be my targets. All solid veterans. All bring different things to the table. Ribiero and Iginla bring the obvious in offense whereas Dupuis bring leadership and the ability to teach these guys how to win. He's turned himself into a hell of a player and even when Crosby went down, he kept producing. He finally figured it out. He's also a monster PK'er with great wheels.
The biggest question mark is still who to pair with Klein. If I believe Housley can work with the youngsters and turn them around, I may be willing to not make a move there and have an open competition. Bartley finished the season as that guy but he can be supplanted if Ekholm has a solid camp and proves his worth. I think he's a better long term option. Also, depending if Tollefson is coming here or not, I say bring in a veteran who plays with an edge and is good defensively, pair him with Ellis and let that be our third pair. That way Ellis learns and is protected physically by his partner. I think guys are less apt to go after Ellis if they know they have to answer to someone like OKT.
If those aren't good options I'd look at free agency to find a good partner for Klein or even someone who might get bought out.
Depending on who might get bought out could create a frenzy as well. A guy like Richards looks like a good fit but I'd be a little shy of him right now. There are others that could be had.
The trade market is probably not going to get us what we want at the end of the day.
The other possibility is making a pitch for a RFA defenseman. Go after Pieterangelo or even Shattenkirk. So what if we lose next years number 1 for one of those guys. We're getting the number 4 overall this year, have Forsberg from last year. We've got some good young talent coming through the pipeline. Shore up the D a little bit and we're looking solid.
I'd also tell the coaching staff that they better be prepared and that this team better be strong out of the blocks, if not, they'll be a pink slip for some of you.
I think being a nice guy like I am, being GMDP of course, sometimes being a nice or patient guy has to change. You have to push people to get more out of them. You have to know when to push though and I think there has been a push already this offseason. I think it will continue until we are the consistent team the owners want and expect.
Honestly, if I'm GMDP I draft the BPA whether it be Drouin or Barkov.
I go after a few free agent forwards. Ribiero, Dupuis and Iginla would be my targets. All solid veterans. All bring different things to the table. Ribiero and Iginla bring the obvious in offense whereas Dupuis bring leadership and the ability to teach these guys how to win. He's turned himself into a hell of a player and even when Crosby went down, he kept producing. He finally figured it out. He's also a monster PK'er with great wheels.
The biggest question mark is still who to pair with Klein. If I believe Housley can work with the youngsters and turn them around, I may be willing to not make a move there and have an open competition. Bartley finished the season as that guy but he can be supplanted if Ekholm has a solid camp and proves his worth. I think he's a better long term option. Also, depending if Tollefson is coming here or not, I say bring in a veteran who plays with an edge and is good defensively, pair him with Ellis and let that be our third pair. That way Ellis learns and is protected physically by his partner. I think guys are less apt to go after Ellis if they know they have to answer to someone like OKT.
If those aren't good options I'd look at free agency to find a good partner for Klein or even someone who might get bought out.
Depending on who might get bought out could create a frenzy as well. A guy like Richards looks like a good fit but I'd be a little shy of him right now. There are others that could be had.
The trade market is probably not going to get us what we want at the end of the day.
The other possibility is making a pitch for a RFA defenseman. Go after Pieterangelo or even Shattenkirk. So what if we lose next years number 1 for one of those guys. We're getting the number 4 overall this year, have Forsberg from last year. We've got some good young talent coming through the pipeline. Shore up the D a little bit and we're looking solid.
I'd also tell the coaching staff that they better be prepared and that this team better be strong out of the blocks, if not, they'll be a pink slip for some of you.
I think being a nice guy like I am, being GMDP of course, sometimes being a nice or patient guy has to change. You have to push people to get more out of them. You have to know when to push though and I think there has been a push already this offseason. I think it will continue until we are the consistent team the owners want and expect.
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Nice detailed answer that's what i am looking for.
Who would you replace Erat and hypothetically SK with?
You "may" land one of the 3 you mentioned who is the other one?
torero
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I would stack the team with Swiss players.
They are the cheapest on the market while being fundamentaly different from the other europeans.
Because the Swiss players going abroad have generally all a good level that is generaly not recognized in NA. Therefore they are cheap.
So save some money ... and spend this money on solid players a la Iginla ... add a little Damien Brunner in this and their you have a solid team. Nino is also out of favour with the Islanders while still being back on track.
You could even try to get a star from the Blackhawks.
number of moves would be like 7 or 8.
They are the cheapest on the market while being fundamentaly different from the other europeans.
Because the Swiss players going abroad have generally all a good level that is generaly not recognized in NA. Therefore they are cheap.
So save some money ... and spend this money on solid players a la Iginla ... add a little Damien Brunner in this and their you have a solid team. Nino is also out of favour with the Islanders while still being back on track.
You could even try to get a star from the Blackhawks.
number of moves would be like 7 or 8.
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After watching several IIHF games, I partially agree with the Swiss comment; they played extremely well, though I think their team cohesion was substantially better than almost any other team there which was a big factor. Look at Russia / Canada; solid NHL talent but vastly underperformed.
I think we're in reasonably okay shape as is; I also think our chances to land a top UFA are low.
1) Draft Barkov
2) Trade SK, one of Ellis / Blum, 3rd for either a #4 blueliner (e.g. Nikitin-esque quality) or a solid 50-point winger
3) Throw some legitimate offers to Ribeiro / Horton / Weiss / Dupuis / etc. (Iginla not happening; I love Jagr but it's nostalgia and he's getting old)
4) Field offers for guys like Halischuk and Spaling, but don't dump them for peanuts, particularly Spaling. Guy is underrated here imo.
I don't have a #5 for the offseason. My #5 would be to start the season with 7 D and give Ekholm a chance to show what he can do.
I think we're in reasonably okay shape as is; I also think our chances to land a top UFA are low.
1) Draft Barkov
2) Trade SK, one of Ellis / Blum, 3rd for either a #4 blueliner (e.g. Nikitin-esque quality) or a solid 50-point winger
3) Throw some legitimate offers to Ribeiro / Horton / Weiss / Dupuis / etc. (Iginla not happening; I love Jagr but it's nostalgia and he's getting old)
4) Field offers for guys like Halischuk and Spaling, but don't dump them for peanuts, particularly Spaling. Guy is underrated here imo.
I don't have a #5 for the offseason. My #5 would be to start the season with 7 D and give Ekholm a chance to show what he can do.
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I know the team has a limited budget so they can't go after the big dogs, but I would like to see a striving for excellence in the team we haven't seen in the past year. Hoping Housley helps with that. As for changes, I'd like to see a good back up for Rinne. I like Mason but I think he's just not what we need when Rinne is having to play injured. Let's face it, if we had a good backup we wouldn't have run Pekka so hard trying to keep us in the hunt last season. I know we've got some goalies in the system but we need an established guy in there now. I like the idea of SK for a good Dman if we can afford to give up his offense(I know we didn't see much of it this past season). I think we have a lot of good pieces. I'm hoping the coaching staff can get them to buy into it.
If I were DP I would...
#1. Draft Barkov
#2. Go hard after Ferance in UFA
#3. Go hard after Stalberg in UFA
#4. Look to trade SK, Blum, and Smith for either Stasney or Vanek.
#5. Trade SK and Blum for future picks if I can't get a solid forward for them now.
If I were really told to win next seaon or I'm out then I would trade the 4th overall pick for a proven player now. Someone like Stasney would be great as it would be a proven center that would help them win this next season. If the player had a year or less left on his contract I would want to sign an extension before a trade was done.
#1. Draft Barkov
#2. Go hard after Ferance in UFA
#3. Go hard after Stalberg in UFA
#4. Look to trade SK, Blum, and Smith for either Stasney or Vanek.
#5. Trade SK and Blum for future picks if I can't get a solid forward for them now.
If I were really told to win next seaon or I'm out then I would trade the 4th overall pick for a proven player now. Someone like Stasney would be great as it would be a proven center that would help them win this next season. If the player had a year or less left on his contract I would want to sign an extension before a trade was done.
I'll play. I'll try and be realistic (no "Let's send Anaheim Ryan Ellis and our third for Bobby Ryan!!!"). Also, I'm going to play under the assumption that the owners are true to their word and money is no longer an issue, and that the cap is our ceiling. Also, i'm not including any possible buyouts, since no one really knows what's going to happen then.
1. Offer SK/Blum package to see if we can pick up a 2nd or so, maybe a late 1st, etc. Trading away picks has left the farm a little light. We need to restock, and neither player has much of a future here. Blum has been passed on the depth chart and is coming up on RFA, and I don't think SK will ever care enough to be worth his 3 mil salary.
2. Sign Derek Roy. He can be plugged in the first line center position from day 1. I know he's not the big time elite centerman we all want, but those guys aren't available, and he'll be cheaper than Ribiero. But, you can now slot Leggy and Fisher down, he's probably a 50 pt guy worst case scenario. 3yr at 4.5mil, which is a small raise on what he's getting now. "What, 4.5 mil for Derek Roy?" Yup, UFA's are bought at a premium. Figure this is the guy we use SK's money to get.
3. Sign Sergei Gonchar. He's old, not much left, but the geezer can still run a power play and not embarass himself on D. IMHO, that's what our offense was missing since Suter left. We have Bombs-Away Weber, but that's about it. He's a vet with a similar game and, with Housley, can mentor a guy like Ryan Ellis and get the most out of him. Plus, he'll come cheap with a short term, figure 2.5 for 2y?
4.Resign the following RFA's, plus guesstimates I just pulled out of nowhere:
1. Josi - 3m@4yrs
2. Bartley - 850k@2yrs
3. Spaling - 1.5m@2yrs
4. Jeremy Smith - 700k@1 yr
Also, see if you can squeeze a couple of these guys like Halischuk, Bang, Mueller, or Butler into two way deals.
5. Take MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov (whoever is left at #4 in that order). Don't be afraid of the youth movement. Forsberg looks like he can help next year. Maybe Barkov can to. Watson and Beck look ready. I rather lose watching those guys than lose watching known non-commodities like Halischuk, Butler, and who knows how many other re-treads.
Depth chart from capgeek (not meant to be a line-up):
FORWARDS
Colin Wilson ($2.000m) / Derek Roy ($5.000m) / Patric Hornqvist ($4.250m)
Taylor Beck ($0.887m) / David Legwand ($4.500m) / Filip Forsberg ($1.461m)
Austin Watson ($1.112m) / Mike Fisher ($4.200m) / Craig Smith ($2.000m)
Gabriel Bourque ($0.775m) / Paul Gaustad ($3.250m) / Richard Clune ($0.538m)
Nick Spaling ($1.500m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.857m) / Roman Josi ($3.000m)
Hal Gill ($2.000m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Sergei Gonchar ($2.500m) / Victor Bartley ($0.850m)
Ryan Ellis ($1.440m) /
GOALTENDERS
Pekka Rinne ($7.000m)
Jeremy Smith ($0.726m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,744,810; BONUSES: $1,360,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $5,915,190
1. Offer SK/Blum package to see if we can pick up a 2nd or so, maybe a late 1st, etc. Trading away picks has left the farm a little light. We need to restock, and neither player has much of a future here. Blum has been passed on the depth chart and is coming up on RFA, and I don't think SK will ever care enough to be worth his 3 mil salary.
2. Sign Derek Roy. He can be plugged in the first line center position from day 1. I know he's not the big time elite centerman we all want, but those guys aren't available, and he'll be cheaper than Ribiero. But, you can now slot Leggy and Fisher down, he's probably a 50 pt guy worst case scenario. 3yr at 4.5mil, which is a small raise on what he's getting now. "What, 4.5 mil for Derek Roy?" Yup, UFA's are bought at a premium. Figure this is the guy we use SK's money to get.
3. Sign Sergei Gonchar. He's old, not much left, but the geezer can still run a power play and not embarass himself on D. IMHO, that's what our offense was missing since Suter left. We have Bombs-Away Weber, but that's about it. He's a vet with a similar game and, with Housley, can mentor a guy like Ryan Ellis and get the most out of him. Plus, he'll come cheap with a short term, figure 2.5 for 2y?
4.Resign the following RFA's, plus guesstimates I just pulled out of nowhere:
1. Josi - 3m@4yrs
2. Bartley - 850k@2yrs
3. Spaling - 1.5m@2yrs
4. Jeremy Smith - 700k@1 yr
Also, see if you can squeeze a couple of these guys like Halischuk, Bang, Mueller, or Butler into two way deals.
5. Take MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov (whoever is left at #4 in that order). Don't be afraid of the youth movement. Forsberg looks like he can help next year. Maybe Barkov can to. Watson and Beck look ready. I rather lose watching those guys than lose watching known non-commodities like Halischuk, Butler, and who knows how many other re-treads.
Depth chart from capgeek (not meant to be a line-up):
FORWARDS
Colin Wilson ($2.000m) / Derek Roy ($5.000m) / Patric Hornqvist ($4.250m)
Taylor Beck ($0.887m) / David Legwand ($4.500m) / Filip Forsberg ($1.461m)
Austin Watson ($1.112m) / Mike Fisher ($4.200m) / Craig Smith ($2.000m)
Gabriel Bourque ($0.775m) / Paul Gaustad ($3.250m) / Richard Clune ($0.538m)
Nick Spaling ($1.500m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.857m) / Roman Josi ($3.000m)
Hal Gill ($2.000m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
Sergei Gonchar ($2.500m) / Victor Bartley ($0.850m)
Ryan Ellis ($1.440m) /
GOALTENDERS
Pekka Rinne ($7.000m)
Jeremy Smith ($0.726m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,744,810; BONUSES: $1,360,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $5,915,190
PFL615
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Nice punch line.. It was Blum/3rd round pick/+.. Still getting the punches for not "asking pieces in the HF boards standard of order"..
Nice work in the offseason. I do disagree with Roy. We are trying to get bigger. Not sure Roy with his size and injury history fit the need.
Also you reward one of the top forwards on the team before he got hurt with a 4th line roster spot next year? Yikes!!
PFL615
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Yeah, no way is Watson going to have a bigger role than Bourque.
Bourque gets not credit here, while being the best forechecker on the team. IMHO, he's going to be a more complete version of Hornqvist.
Bourque gets not credit here, while being the best forechecker on the team. IMHO, he's going to be a more complete version of Hornqvist.
Never even saw that proposal. I just didn't want to get into hypothetical trades. When playing the GM game, it's too easy to trade with yourself to get the lineup you want.
Roy isn't the homerun we all want, but I think someone is going to give Ribiero something stupid like 6-mil+ per year. After that, the center pickings get really thin (Weiss, Wellwood, Bozak?).
As for the lineup, I never meant it to be an actual slotting of guys. I just plugged in guys to the capgeek thing and went from there. You can move anyone up or down there as you see fit.
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Just got to keep in mind, with the way bourque plays and his size, how long do you think he's going to last in the nhl?
One of my favorite players growing up was Dino Ciccarelli, a guy smaller than Bourque that played more physical than Bourque played 21 seasons in the NHL. Pat Verbeek, much more physical, 20 seasons.
Bourque isn't even that small.. 5'10" 195lbs isn't that small. In fact his frame is thicker than Hornqvist. Holmstrom was 6' 195, he had a long NHL career.
So I'm going to have to say, I think his size isn't an issue.
glenngineer
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PFL615
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#1-Draft Barkov if he is available at 4.
If you can work a blockbuster trade with Colorado to swap picks and get Stasney make it happen as long as it does not include Josi, Weber, Peka, Smith, FF, Borque, or Wilson.
If you get the number #1 pick you take Mack.
#2 Find a legit backup goalie who can win and fill the role of starter if Peka was to get hurt.
#3 Make changes to the offense and PP. Teams focus on Weber on the PP. Need more options than Weber at the point with horny infront of the net.
Hire a passing specialist to work with players the entire training camp.
Offense needs to be a mix of dump board work and skating it into the zone. Teams are keying on the Preds dump and chase an outs using players on the side boards.
#4 Spaling, Halischuck, SK, Yip, Gaustad are let go. Replace them with young hungry guys and see what happens.
Lines:
Borque-Wilson-Fisher
Horny-Stasney/UFA/TradeTrade-Smith
FF-Barkov/Mack-Watson
Beck-Legwand-Butler
Weber/Josi
UFA (Large and Physical)/ Klein
Ellis/ Spot decided at camp
If you can work a blockbuster trade with Colorado to swap picks and get Stasney make it happen as long as it does not include Josi, Weber, Peka, Smith, FF, Borque, or Wilson.
If you get the number #1 pick you take Mack.
#2 Find a legit backup goalie who can win and fill the role of starter if Peka was to get hurt.
#3 Make changes to the offense and PP. Teams focus on Weber on the PP. Need more options than Weber at the point with horny infront of the net.
Hire a passing specialist to work with players the entire training camp.
Offense needs to be a mix of dump board work and skating it into the zone. Teams are keying on the Preds dump and chase an outs using players on the side boards.
#4 Spaling, Halischuck, SK, Yip, Gaustad are let go. Replace them with young hungry guys and see what happens.
Lines:
Borque-Wilson-Fisher
Horny-Stasney/UFA/TradeTrade-Smith
FF-Barkov/Mack-Watson
Beck-Legwand-Butler
Weber/Josi
UFA (Large and Physical)/ Klein
Ellis/ Spot decided at camp
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glenngineer
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So we move up to the number 1 slot and get Stastny in the deal without giving up any of the guys mentioned? How do you suppose we do that?
1. Draft Barkov
2. Sign one of the following UFA D's (in preferred order): Mark Streit, Andrew Ference, Grant Clitsome
3. Sign one of the following UFA wingers (in preferred order): Damien Brunner, Nathan Horton, Viktor Stalberg
4. Sign a good backup goalie (Antti Raanta or Anton Khudobin)
5. Get rid of SK
2. Sign one of the following UFA D's (in preferred order): Mark Streit, Andrew Ference, Grant Clitsome
3. Sign one of the following UFA wingers (in preferred order): Damien Brunner, Nathan Horton, Viktor Stalberg
4. Sign a good backup goalie (Antti Raanta or Anton Khudobin)
5. Get rid of SK
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Sign RFA's Josi, Bartley, and Spals
Barkov/Drouin
Trade SK+ for best pick or Burmistrov
Do all I can to sign Streit
Test the trade waters for Vanek and others
Barkov/Drouin
Trade SK+ for best pick or Burmistrov
Do all I can to sign Streit
Test the trade waters for Vanek and others
PFL615
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Stastny was rumored to be traded or moved for awhile now. I don't think his value is super high.
That's the problem. Maybe Blum, SK, +??
I forgot the backup goalie and signing key RFAs (e.g. Josi); those are right behind drafting Barkov.
He's Darren Helm v2 with a bit more offensive upside. I think he'll be around a while (Helm has had some unlucky injuries like Tootoo's skate cutting the ligament / tendon in his arm). Cicarelli is an ok comparison; Theo Fleury is not despite the size. Fleury was one of the best skaters in the NHL and was elusive as all hell; Bourque is good, but takes way more punishment than Theo ever did.
He's Darren Helm v2 with a bit more offensive upside. I think he'll be around a while (Helm has had some unlucky injuries like Tootoo's skate cutting the ligament / tendon in his arm). Cicarelli is an ok comparison; Theo Fleury is not despite the size. Fleury was one of the best skaters in the NHL and was elusive as all hell; Bourque is good, but takes way more punishment than Theo ever did.
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I don't think a thng is done until the draft--reason is, what if jones drops? We either solve our top 4 need or trade down a pick or two.
if jones drops, and we draft him, my 5 moves are:
1.) spend 3-4 million on Stalberg
2.) spend 3-4 million on Bickell
3.) trim the fat-don't re-sign Yip
4.) trim the fat-trade Matt Halischik
5.) Trade Blum for Jordan Shroeder-both have potential, both have been disappointments. Wilson has history with him as well.
Beck-Legwand-Hornquist
Wilson-Fisher-Stalberg
Bickell-Spaling-Bourque
Forsberg-Gaustad-Kostitsyn/Clune
Josi-Weber
Jones-Klein
Gill-Ellis
Bartley
Rinne
Move 6-sign veteran backup
if jones drops, and we draft him, my 5 moves are:
1.) spend 3-4 million on Stalberg
2.) spend 3-4 million on Bickell
3.) trim the fat-don't re-sign Yip
4.) trim the fat-trade Matt Halischik
5.) Trade Blum for Jordan Shroeder-both have potential, both have been disappointments. Wilson has history with him as well.
Beck-Legwand-Hornquist
Wilson-Fisher-Stalberg
Bickell-Spaling-Bourque
Forsberg-Gaustad-Kostitsyn/Clune
Josi-Weber
Jones-Klein
Gill-Ellis
Bartley
Rinne
Move 6-sign veteran backup
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