Confirmed Trade: [WSH/SEA] Vitek Vanecek for 2023 2nd round pick

[Gurglesons]

You overrated draft picks.
Very few great players have been picked in the 1st round let alone 3rd round.

Name all these great 3rd round picks the last 20 years....

Picks are an asset. It’s not just about the picks it’s about having the currency to act when Mark Stone or Tomas Tatar becomes available.

 

[wetcoast]

Ronny Francis really botched this expansion.

I'm amazed at how poorly he did actually.

But maybe that's the direction ownership gave him but is the money worth the pride and reputation he will gain after this botched expansion draft and FA day?

 

[Ice Mammoth]

The result of the offseason work - Ron Francis?
I've written a lot about this. One more example:

Expansion draft.
WASHINGTON Available: Brenden Dillon (D), Vitek Vanecek (G) ……
Seattle received - Vitek Vanecek.

Jul 26, 2021
WSH gets
2022 second-round pick
2023 second-round pick
WPG gets
Brenden Dillon

Jul 28, 2021
WSH gets
Vitek Vanecek
SEA gets
2023 second-round pick.

2022 second-round pick + 2023 second-round pick >>> 2023 second-round pick!

The result of the offseason work - Ron Francis?

 

[Silky mitts]

It’s one thing that Francis chose not to collect 2nd round picks for taking Gostisbehere and Stralman because he wants to retain cap room in case somebody unexpected became available, but to be like it’s ok they didn’t take a 2nd in a stacked draft because how could they have foreseen being able to sign Gruby for 6x$5.9M? It’s not like they weren’t able to talk to his agent last week.

 

[Bubbles]

Is anyone in the media gonna call out Ron Francis and the SK? Wtf is going on? How did WSH make out better from the Expansion draft than SK? They were gonna lose Dillion for nothing, but managed to get a 2nd round pick because Francis is incompetent.

The opposite, in fact. TSN panel was praising him the whole way. Guess they don't want to lose those sweet connections.

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

It is easy to think Seattle has a competitive team, whilst also thinking Francis has missed out on adding a lot of assets.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Clearly Francis had either no game plan or a shitty one. He could've gotten a second not to take Vanecek and select someone else. Instead he's short an asset. Seattle should just admit they messed up hiring Francis and fire him now. Mitigate any further damage.

 

[Prsut18]

Great career as a Kraken for Vanecek.. hope he gets his number retired there one day..

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

Why is this bad? He didn’t know Grubs would be there, and now he has acquired a precious extra pick everyone wants to ride him so hard about not getting.

Because he should've basically contacted every GM and said. "So we're looking at Dillon and Vanecek. And we're not quite sure if we're going to keep them or move them. Do you have any interest in those players and what would you offer?".

Let's say 2-3 GM's bites. Then you have a bidding war, you should easily get more than just a 2nd. I mean Dillon was moved for two 2nds.

Zadorov who they didn't pick went for a 3rd. They chose an AHL player instead that'll never make it in the NHL. That's just bad asset management.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

The opposite, in fact. TSN panel was praising him the whole way. Guess they don't want to lose those sweet connections.

Well the media are a bunch of brown nosers.

If you listen to them they extremely rarely talk bad about anyone. They made it sound like Edmonton had a real good d core now.

They talked about Coleman and said he can do everything, even produce as a top 6 fwd. Dude is good for what, 40 points? That's not top 6 stats.

 

[Maitz]

Thank you for an unforgettable week?? He probably even havent put a foot in SEA

 

[philip]

Vanecek, interesting. Any Seattle fans tell me what kind of player he is?

 

[HoseEmDown]

Ron Francis has completely misplayed a league wide draft bonanza.

Clearly he overplayed his leverage going into the expansion draft and is now selling off the assets he took for pennies on the dollar



I believe the rumor is that he was offered two 2nds to not take Vanecek so he basically got less than half the return (because he would have also been able to select a different roster player from WSH)

Do you have any proof that he was offered two 2nd's to not take Vanecek? You don't really know how true that is. He may have been told he'll get two 2nd's but has to take a Hagelin or Schultz and he didn't want those players or contracts. Either way we don't know for sure. Maybe Francis thought Vanecek would be a good backup for him so he was happy to take him regardless of what was offered. Then Grubauer became available and he thought he was a better started than Driedger while Driedger is a better backup than Vanecek. So he essentially traded Vanecek + 2nd, the one he supposedly passed up, for Grubauer at 6 x 5.9M. I don't think that's a bad trade at all especially when you look at what Kuemper for 1 year cost.

 

[42]

Vanecek, interesting. Any Seattle fans tell me what kind of player he is?

He needs to work on his groin stretches, especially in the playoffs.

 

[YP44]

The result of the offseason work - Ron Francis?
I've written a lot about this. One more example:

Expansion draft.
WASHINGTON Available: Brenden Dillon (D), Vitek Vanecek (G) ……
Seattle received - Vitek Vanecek.

Jul 26, 2021
WSH gets
2022 second-round pick
2023 second-round pick
WPG gets
Brenden Dillon

Jul 28, 2021
WSH gets
Vitek Vanecek
SEA gets
2023 second-round pick.

2022 second-round pick + 2023 second-round pick >>> 2023 second-round pick!

The result of the offseason work - Ron Francis?

still not as bad as passing on Domi and two legit goalies in columbus for....nothing?

 

[Jerkbait]

Clearly Francis had either no game plan or a shitty one. He could've gotten a second not to take Vanecek and select someone else. Instead he's short an asset. Seattle should just admit they messed up hiring Francis and fire him now. Mitigate any further damage.

He didn't know the avs would let gru walk..this is all because of that. They wanted the caps goalie so they got him. But when an even better option came they jumped on that and recouped what they could. They upgraded.

 

[YP44]

kinda surprised Kuznetsov was not moved in this.

 

[TOGuy14]

Do you have any proof that he was offered two 2nd's to not take Vanecek? You don't really know how true that is. He may have been told he'll get two 2nd's but has to take a Hagelin or Schultz and he didn't want those players or contracts. Either way we don't know for sure. Maybe Francis thought Vanecek would be a good backup for him so he was happy to take him regardless of what was offered. Then Grubauer became available and he thought he was a better started than Driedger while Driedger is a better backup than Vanecek. So he essentially traded Vanecek + 2nd, the one he supposedly passed up, for Grubauer at 6 x 5.9M. I don't think that's a bad trade at all especially when you look at what Kuemper for 1 year cost.

Sorry I stated that wrong.

Brandon Dillion got traded for two 2nds so if they just selected him they would have had double the picks

 

[HoseEmDown]

Sorry I stated that wrong.

Brandon Dillion got traded for two 2nds so if they just selected him they would have had double the picks

That offer of two 2nd's for Dillon may not have been there for Francis from Chevy. So you can't say they missed out when you don't know if it was even an option. Seattle was probably expecting to go into the season with Driedger and Vanecek as you can tell by them not taking any other goalies except one that is waiver exempt so he can go to the AHL. Grubauer became available and Francis saw him as a better option than Vanecek so he got a 2nd for him. Going from Vanecek to Grubauer plus a 2nd is a big win.

 

[Ice Mammoth]

Ron Francis is the General Manager of Seattle Kraken.
Organizing work processes is part of his job.
The expansion draft gave him unique opportunities.
Additional features:
The time to negotiate is only for Kraken.
Large number of players (UFA).

It was necessary:
- Choosing the path of movement of the team.
- Predicting the value of players.
- Forecasting possible deals.
- Identifying the needs of general managers of other teams.
- Determination of the maximum possible profit for Seattle.
- Negotiating to achieve results.
- Making good deals.
- The right choice of players in the expansion draft.

The result could have been the successful construction of the Seattle Kraken.
The result of Ron Francis is massive damage to Seattle Kraken.