Confirmed Trade: [WSH/OTT] Connor Brown for 2024 2nd round pick

[ManofSteel55]

Damn, I thought he was ours, ha ha. Good trade for Washington. First head scratcher of the past few weeks for Dorian.

 

[Akrapovince]

Lmfao people doing mental gymnastics to justify the value on this.

“That second could be used to help offload Zaitsev or be a complimentary piece in an RHD!”

Yeah, if I sell my Honda Civic that’s worth 20,000$ for 15,000$ to put down on a new Mercedes I’m still a dipshit for selling my Civic for less than perceived market value. Regardless of what I’m using that money for.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Lmfao people doing mental gymnastics to justify the value on this.

“That second could be used to help offload Zaitsev or be a complimentary piece in an RHD!”

Yeah, if I sell my Honda Civic that’s worth 20,000$ for 15,000$ to put down on a new Mercedes I’m still a dipshit for selling my Civic for less than perceived market value. Regardless of what I’m using that money for.

What fans think a player should be traded for on an internet message board is not "market value".

Connor Brown was available, it was very much public knowledge, and every team had the chance to make an offer. He returned a 2nd. You may not like it, but his market value on July 13th 2022 was a 2nd round pick.

Now, you could argue that the market value would have been higher at the trade deadline last year, or would be higher next year, but that's a different conversation.

Brown had to be traded before training camp. Ottawa has, reportedly, a $74M salary budget (dollars out not cap hit) for next season. With Brown, and with the expected amounts we'll need to pay Norris, Formenton and Joseph, we'd be at ~$74M.

Without Brown, the Senators have ~$4-5M to get another defenseman.

 

[McSuper]

Too cheap, Connor Brown is worth more.

He is worth what the market says he worth. The market has spoken.

 

[Akrapovince]

What fans think a player should be traded for on an internet message board is not "market value".

Connor Brown was available, it was very much public knowledge, and every team had the chance to make an offer. He returned a 2nd. You may not like it, but his market value on July 13th 2022 was a 2nd round pick.

Now, you could argue that the market value would have been higher at the trade deadline last year, or would be higher next year, but that's a different conversation.

Brown had to be traded before training camp. Ottawa has, reportedly, a $74M salary budget (dollars out not cap hit) for next season. With Brown, and with the expected amounts we'll need to pay Norris, Formenton and Joseph, we'd be at ~$74M.

Without Brown, the Senators have ~$4-5M to get another defenseman.

I disagree. What you are saying is that every single trade made is equal, balanced, and market value. That just isn’t the case. There are tonnes of times, on that day, at that second, players are traded for below market value.

But like you said, let’s see what the following move is and if we are able to acquire a Top4 RHD. That would shut me up.

Until then, he was traded for less than what he is worth, and in the case where your best offer is below what you want, I think you hang onto him.

EDIT: I guess I see what you mean, he technically did go for market value because that’s what he went for and the market (other teams) decided that. Maybe I worded it wrong, he went for market value. But market value is less than he is worth.

 

[jbeck5]

Well, the Caps may be worse by 2024.

This.

2024 pick might be significantly higher than 2023 if Washington is trending down like everyone's been saying they are.

 

[Senscore]

Not an ideal return but I'm fine with it. With better timing I think a first would have been realistic but Dorion clearly has other moves to make.

 

[SenzZen]

That’s our Pierre!!!

 

[SNES]

Underwhelmed

 

[Fallschirmyager]

This.

2024 pick might be significantly higher than 2023 if Washington is trending down like everyone's been saying they are.

Stars are aging. Refills are looking like decent players but not there yet. I think a cup run is beyond their grasp without a metric ton of luck. I've seen some commentators says they may miss the playoffs this year. We'll see. 2024 would be more likely so the pick should be higher but in a draft that's not as deep as others are saying 2023 is.

 

[Sweetpotato]

Don't get how Edmonton couldn't beat this offer. Oh well.

Now use that 2nd as a part of a deal to get a top 4 RD.

The deal was likely contingent on Ottawa taking back Foegle to make the cap work and they refused.

 

[Korpse]

Very good deal for Washington.

 

[LeafsNation149]

Why did Ottawa even want to trade Brown, he was amazing for their depth with the top 6 solidified

 

[PromisedLand]

wow this is interesting. I thougt oilers were in on brown. Did not see Caps going for him. Good deal for the caps IMO

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

Not really sure how some though Brown would return a 1st. He isn’t a first round worthy type of player. Metrics scream average across the board.

 

[jbeck5]

Stars are aging. Refills are looking like decent players but not there yet. I think a cup run is beyond their grasp without a metric ton of luck. I've seen some commentators says they may miss the playoffs this year. We'll see. 2024 would be more likely so the pick should be higher but in a draft that's not as deep as others are saying 2023 is.

I guess it's a case of something like 2023 50th vs 2024 40th (just random guesses).

 

[johnnybbadd]

To the people that wanted Edmonton to get him. If you get too many ex Leafs there is a risk of becoming like the Leafs and no other franchise should want to do that.

 

[ChurchOfMatthews]

To the people that wanted Edmonton to get him. If you get too many ex Leafs there is a risk of becoming like the Leafs and no other franchise should want to do that.

*Yawn*

On topic: Brown will be a good grinder for Washington. Think he'll fit in nicely there.

 

[armani]

If Connor Brown isn't displacing Mathieu Joseph in that top nine, I fail to see how you'd think he's worth a 1st rounder. Particularly in this market.

Context is important here, Brown has let it be known that he would test the Ufa market in 2023, and Dorion just cleared $3.5M is real dollars for his next move along with getting some draft capital. The decision to trade him now has to do with the timing, the Sens are looking to actively add a top-4 RD, which is a position of need. They will pay Joseph less to play Brown’s role on line 3.

Brown would have fetched a bit more on trade deadline, because he is a very useful and offensively productive 3rd liner, and a constant threat in shorthanded situations as an excellent PKer. With Debrincat and Giroux as wingers, it is time to use assets as Brown to address a need.

 

[GOilers88]

Solid deal for the Caps. Really wanted him in Edmonton

 

[rajiabu]

Does Brown make to top 6?
Probably with Backstrom and Wilson injured.
Maybe just a 3rd liner though

 

[robertmac43]

Feels like fair(ish) value for both sides.

 

[Altimus]

Why did Ottawa even want to trade Brown, he was amazing for their depth with the top 6 solidified

We need draft capital, we got some good prospects in the AHL who could net some good icetime if we get injuries, and Brown at 3.5m on the third line(or lower if he doesn't find chemistry) is wasted money. Hoping to see a full season of Forms-Pinto-Joseph on the third line.

 

[playasRus]

Would think Oilers would give at least 2nd and Poolparty. Flip poolparty for a 3rd?

Still a bummer to end the day on that we lost Connor Brown.

 

[biturbo19]

What fans think a player should be traded for on an internet message board is not "market value".

Connor Brown was available, it was very much public knowledge, and every team had the chance to make an offer. He returned a 2nd. You may not like it, but his market value on July 13th 2022 was a 2nd round pick.

Now, you could argue that the market value would have been higher at the trade deadline last year, or would be higher next year, but that's a different conversation.

Brown had to be traded before training camp. Ottawa has, reportedly, a $74M salary budget (dollars out not cap hit) for next season. With Brown, and with the expected amounts we'll need to pay Norris, Formenton and Joseph, we'd be at ~$74M.

Without Brown, the Senators have ~$4-5M to get another defenseman.

Yeah. There are often players with extenuating circumstances that cause them to go for less than "market value". Trade protection chief among them. But Connor Brown didn't have that.

The reality is, he was shopped pretty clearly. Nobody wanted to pay any more than a 2nd in 2024 for him.


He's one of those "hfboards darlings" that i just don't understand. He's not a bad player, but he's nothing special either. There's absolutely nothing remarkable about him at all. He's just...middle-6 filler. Like a completely generic Lego brick that fits somewhere in your Top-9, and that's fine. But you don't trade 1st round picks for that.