Would you move Staal for Spezza?

[Ghost of jas]

I would love to add the player Spezza was, and move Staal for him. But he would be EXACTLY like every other big name add. Banged up, declining, expensive, best days are in the rearview.

To me, it's a one year gamble. He adds a RH shot, strong offensive ability, and more than replaces Richards' production from this past year.

 

[Mikos87]

The fanbase here has been burnt, and they are right to think what they do about Spezza. I for one think he has maybe 3 more good years left (60-70 pts a year).

He's a different player than Richards, bigger, slicker, and a pure point producer. People here vilify Richards with a passion, but during his time here the Rangers went to the Eastern conference finals, the 2nd round, and the cup finals. All in all he didn't step up when it mattered, but the team did have success with him in the line up.

Spezza makes the Rangers team better and fills a few needs, its just how much is he going to cost in terms of assets. The fans on this board start getting on anyone that makes over $6M in their cap hit, regardless of good or bad stretches since the prevailing thought is, if you have a high cap hit, you better be a PPG producer or a 40 goal scorer. That's just how NYR fans are, always have been and always will be.

Spezza the player makes the Rangers a better team over the next 2-3 seasons, but he won't come at the price of a Marc Staal or any top minute eater on this team.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

To me, it's a one year gamble. He adds a RH shot, strong offensive ability, and more than replaces Richards' production from this past year.

If he could a had for peanuts I'm not sayin I wouldn't take him. But I wouldn't swap Staal for him.

 

[RangerBlues]

Yes. Player for player straight up.
Its fair and helps both teams.

 

[xChrisTilDeathx]

no way

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I do not want Spezza. I do not want any more over the hill players whose best years are behind them like Brad Richards. I do not want any more soft players either or players who I even suspect of treating this like a retirement home like Rick Nash. I want young talented players even if unproven or players that project well who are pros already. Most of all I want players who want to be here. People trying to trade Brassard and Pouliot after they constituted 2/3 of our best line and played well in the playoffs are insane.

This is just ridiculous. Rick Nash busted his ass defensively, on the PK, and hit hard in the playoffs. Many players of his ilk disappear when not scoring, he busted his ass. He didn't score much because he lost his confidence and also he can't quite go to the net as hard with his concussions, like Crosby. To say that Nash treated this like a retirement home is HUGE unfair to Nash. Bash him all you want for his lack of production, not his lack of effort.

 

[AHB*]

This is just ridiculous. Rick Nash busted his ass defensively, on the PK, and hit hard in the playoffs. Many players of his ilk disappear when not scoring, he busted his ass. He didn't score much because he lost his confidence and also he can't quite go to the net as hard with his concussions, like Crosby. To say that Nash treated this like a retirement home is HUGE unfair to Nash. Bash him all you want for his lack of production, not his lack of effort.

This is the most level-headed post I have ever seen from you and I completely agree.

While we can't keep Nash if this is the type of production he is going to bring for that cap-hit, it's not for lack of trying. He's still a useful player.

 

[haveandare]

I have zero interest in Spezza. Just none.

I'd rather see what Miller can do in that spot, and try to build something for a longer period of time. Spezza is just another roll of the same dice that boned this team many times before.

I don't want him really, period, and I definitely don't want him at the expense of Staal. If Staal is moving, he's a valuable piece, and he needs to return something more useful.

 

[bernmeister]

Nothing against Spezza because the value in a vacuum is there, but I think (and hope) that we're finally done trying to acquire our #1 center in the form of a player on the other side of 30.

If we're going for a center for Staal, I'm looking at ROR or Scheifele.

This^, we can talk Stall + for Zibby.

However, up to a point, I would work with you to move something AROUND Nash for Spezza. Mull it over and get back to us with some variations.

Not down on Nash, who has value but was snakebit which hopefully changes this year.
His game already improved under AV, despite some injury.

But it is a lot of contract and moving that has some value.

 

[KingWantsCup]

Straight up, yes.

 

[KingWantsCup]

I have zero interest in Spezza. Just none.

I'd rather see what Miller can do in that spot, and try to build something for a longer period of time. Spezza is just another roll of the same dice that boned this team many times before.

I don't want him really, period, and I definitely don't want him at the expense of Staal. If Staal is moving, he's a valuable piece, and he needs to return something more useful.

Oh God no. We'd be better off trying to bring back Christensen than doing that. JT is a 3C at best. The issue at hand is that we're running out of time. Lundqvist's prime will be closing soon. This is a legitimate reason to throw the kitchen sink at a real #1C.

 

[eco's bones]

Nash played okay. But we needed goals from him. Every other one of our top 9 forwards had more than the 3 goals he put up. The 4th liners Moore and Boyle had as many playoff goals as Nash. Carcillo had one less and he only played 8 games.

And Nash gets paid $7.8 mil per year for christ sake--not to be just defensively responsible and throw his body around a bit. He gets that paid that money to lead the offense. So did he play like ****? No. Did he do enough? No. That's how I look at Nash's playoff performance overall.

And yeah when players get paid big $'s the expectations are higher and IMO they absolutely should be. Someone else might pick up the slack for another player underachieving for what his contract is worth but that doesn't mean the expectations should be set aside. That just means the other player is probably going to make more money his next contract--and last if not least we gave up Dubinsky and Anisimov for this guy. Dubinsky's become a big leader for a rising Bluejackets team.

Spezza comes here and his numbers dropped or he can't play because he's injured all the time then sure as **** the deal would/should be criticized and especially if we give up a valuable asset to acquire him and that valuable asset plays to expectations. And then comes the cap $'s--because when your top heavy with expensive contracts and you can't get the good 4th liners and bottom pairing d-men because of that then that's not good either.

Generally speaking the best UFA contracts are the 3rd-4th line guys that come cheaper like Pouliot did last year or Dominic Moore. It's better if they are younger as well.

 

[Nyrvana]

its hard to say if he is on the cusp or not.

he had what, 66 points last year in what was universally considered a terrible year for him? No NY Ranger Regular had that many points last year.

NONE.

Last five years here are his stats...

282GP 103G 166A 269P

.954PPG

His biggest issue is his health..Hes missed a LOT of games.

He's also more of a play maker than a scorer....do we need another one of those?

Does he help Nash? Im not sure. But he's a righty, hes incredibly skilled, and he doesnt have a long term contract.

Lots to like.

People don't like Spezza because they think he'll turn into Drury, Richards. Spezza is still a great player, and like you said doesn't have the long term contract. I'd do Staal for Spezza absolutely. Hopefully we can figure out a way to resign Stralman.

Having McDonagh, Girardi, Klein signed long term at affordable clips is a nice perk.

 

[Zil]

Jason Spezza is the exact same age Brad Richards was when we added him. Plus the total list of over 30 stars who didn't immediately drop off when we picked them up is:

Mark Messier
Jaromir Jagr

Every over 30 star player we've added with the exception of two of the absolute greatest players in history has not been able to replicate prior success. Enough is enough.

 

[I Am Chariot]

I wouldnt do it.

#1 choice is keep the core together and grow into the champion

#2 choice - if your saying gotta move Staal is explore options with Carolina

I like Brassard...a lot.... We know he can handle NY and he's a talented mofo.

Okay so a lot of Sens fans are talking about moving Jason Spezza. Marc Staal has come up numerous times in discussions so I'm wondering, would the Rangers fanbase move him out in exchange for Jason? I wasn't going to post anything but I noticed that Stralman won the poll vs Staal so I thought it would be a good time to post this.

Would this deal be enough?
Jason Spezza
Patrick Wiercioch
Rights to Hemsky (?)

for

Marc Staal
Derick Brassard
Rights to Benoit Pouliot (?)


Okay so why do you guys do it?

Spezza gives New York a legit first line center and has shown chemistry with Rick Nash during international play. If the Rangers decide to buy out Richards, this softens the blow. Patrick Wiercioch is a legit PP specialist who has one of the best first passes I've ever seen, and he could help the Rangers playing on the bottom pair.

Why do we do it?
Well, we get a legit top pair defenseman to play with Karlsson, and we get a player who can step onto our 2nd/3rd line while Zibanejad develops during that time. I added the rights to Hemsky and Pouliot because it's a pretty known fact that Hemsky won't be back in Ottawa and I don't know what's going down between Benoit and the Rangers.

What would you tweak?
Is it a good basis for a trade?

 

[zuckera1]

If Ottawa retained ~2-3 million in salary to make the cap numbers work, I would certainly do Staal for Spezza.

It's not a long term commitment, and with the cap hits nearly identical we could keep Anton who will be cheaper than Staal in the long run and maybe even a better player.

Wanna win now? Add a legit 1C for a year and roll the dice.

 

[Ryan McDonut]

lets replace brad richards with another aging star who will probably be equally disappointing!

 

[R2theDizzlE]

I'd love to add Spezza on his limited deal (only a year remaining I believe), but I'm more interested in adding Paul Stastny to replace Richards. I think the number 1 center bit can be overlooked if you have good depth. I'd rather try to pry Wiercioch off of Ottawa than Spezza. I'd look to move Staal + for Wiercioch, Puempel, Methot, and/or picks. I think Wiercioch is the type of defenseman the Rangers really need.

 

[I Am Chariot]

Sather has another doozy up his sleeve before he retires.

Gotta exploit another teams assets while they are hurting...

Malkin > Rangers

AO > Rangers


Go for the brass ring

 

[taz24]

No No. No.

 

[Riverdale]

Jason Spezza is the exact same age Brad Richards was when we added him. Plus the total list of over 30 stars who didn't immediately drop off when we picked them up is:

Mark Messier
Jaromir Jagr

Every over 30 star player we've added with the exception of two of the absolute greatest players in history has not been able to replicate prior success. Enough is enough.

This. Same old same old huh?

 

[R2theDizzlE]

I wouldnt do it.

#1 choice is keep the core together and grow into the champion

#2 choice - if your saying gotta move Staal is explore options with Carolina

I like Brassard...a lot.... We know he can handle NY and he's a talented mofo.

My problem with trading Marc to Carolina is who would the Rangers get in return. Lindholm and Justin Faulk maybe?

 

[Fugazy]

Staal straight up for Spezza? I would probably lean towards saying yes.

 

[Larrybiv]

My 2 cents, forget the multi player deal. No way do we disperse of the ONE line that was consistent all year long. In fact forget Spezza as well. Too many "stars" here already. Would much rather sit on JT getting a full season, younger and stronger than Richards.

Our PP is a concern and losing Richards makes it even more of a concern. I'm okay with Weircioch being added but the players you're wanting......fugghettaboutit!

Maybe Staal + pick for Spezza and Weircoch. Yes, I think Staal is more valuable than Spezza.

 

[haveandare]

Oh God no. We'd be better off trying to bring back Christensen than doing that. JT is a 3C at best. The issue at hand is that we're running out of time. Lundqvist's prime will be closing soon. This is a legitimate reason to throw the kitchen sink at a real #1C.

Stepan is a 1C, "real" or not. Brass is an excellent 3C. Miller has gone ppg in the ahl. He's got good speed and there's an opening for 2C, who may be playing with two other fast players. Why draft and develop him if not to use him here?

There will be growing pains with any young forward, but they won't last long, and then you have a cheap, hungry player on an ELC playing over his paygrade rather than a huge money guy who has played his best already somewhere else and is paid to do more than he can.