World Championships

[glenwo2]

OT is 3 on 3?.... what the hell.....terrible for a gold medal game

Since when did the International game turn into the NHL?

It should've been 5 on 5.

Its all about tv deals and the games having to end early. Same deal with shootouts in the past. Not very good for the sport in my opinion but it is what it is.

That's all well and good....until you realize this was the FINAL GAME of IIHF play and there aren't any more games afterward.

I mean...why try to end the game early with this BS? Have them play 5-on-5 until a winner is crowned. WTF, MAN?

I feel 3-on-3 is such a damn crapshoot that Canada did not get a proper chance at winning.

Oh and the officiating in this game was WOOF!

 

[njdevils1982]

Since when did the International game turn into the NHL?

It should've been 5 on 5.


That's all well and good....until you realize this was the FINAL GAME of IIHF play and there aren't any more games afterward.

I mean...why try to end the game early with this BS? Have them play 5-on-5 until a winner is crowned. WTF, MAN?

I feel 3-on-3 is such a damn crapshoot that Canada did not get a proper chance at winning.

Oh and the officiating in this game was WOOF!

i dont care which team wins at all.....im just watching devils players and hoping they do well


at least there was no gimmick

 

[FinnishDevil]

That's all well and good....until you realize this was the FINAL GAME of IIHF play and there aren't any more games afterward.

I mean...why try to end the game early with this BS? Have them play 5-on-5 until a winner is crowned. WTF, MAN?

I feel 3-on-3 is such a damn crapshoot that Canada did not get a proper chance at winning.

I cant really give you any good reasons as to why, but thats how its always been with international hockey for whatever reason. Even the World Juniors. Havent there been couple times this past decade the gold was decided on a shootout?

I dont really understand why. To me it even feels like longer the match goes on, the more you can throw ads on. Isnt that what any cashgrab organisations like IIHF and tv companies should want?

But yeah, it was the same deal last year and Canada won on 3on3. Back then I heard the same thing, should not be 3on3 and Finland didnt get a chance. I think its the same crapshoot for both teams. If anything it probably prefers the more skilled teams which in this case was CAN.

But yeah, give me golden goal all the way. Best part of the NHL playoffs.

 

[ninetyeight]

World Championships are what they are, they're definitely not perfect and shouldn't be taken that seriously. Just a fun little short tournament. Teams are missing their best guys and trying to get by with what they have. European rules (why can't they just unify the rules already. Best of one single game, with 3v3 ot and shootouts. Lot of luck is involved and small things can change who wins it.

 

[glenwo2]

i dont care which team wins at all.....im just watching devils players and hoping they do well


at least there was no gimmick

.....YET.

 

[Yozhik v tumane]

World Championships are what they are, they're definitely not perfect and shouldn't be taken that seriously. Just a fun little short tournament. Teams are missing their best guys and trying to get by with what they have. European rules (why can't they just unify the rules already. Best of one single game, with 3v3 ot and shootouts. Lot of luck is involved and small things can change who wins it.

They’re not “European rules”, I can’t speak for every Euro league playoff format but I’m pretty sure most leagues play 20 minute OT periods in case of a regulation draw, until they have a winner. It most likely has everything to do with the broadcasters, tv slots and the promise that games will be decided in reasonable time, likely to draw as sizable an audience as possible in non-traditional hockey markets as well.

I cant really give you any good reasons as to why, but thats how its always been with international hockey for whatever reason. Even the World Juniors. Havent there been couple times this past decade the gold was decided on a shootout?

No, it hasn’t always been that there were playoffs as we know them today in these international tournaments, but rather that games could end in draws and that the most points (plus a series of tie breakers) by the end of the tournament decided the winner. The Miracle of Ice in 1980 wasn’t a gold medal game for instance, the Americans still needed to beat the Finns in the next game. In World Championships, they used to play a round robin to decide which teams advance to the “championship round” where points were reset and all qualified sides faced off against one another once. This format was in place until 1991, where Sweden won gold on the back of a 2-1 win against the Soviets in the final game. Due to the format in place, it’s more than likely the Soviets elected to surrender the particular game to Sweden once Mats Sundin had put them ahead 2-1 in the third period. The Soviets were aware that had they managed to force a tie but failed to score a game winner, then Canada would have become champions. For whatever reason, head coach Tikhonov would rather lose to Sweden than award Canada gold, and never pulled the goalie despite only being one goal down. It’s possible that shenanigans like this informed the decision to introduce the knockout round format from 1992 onwards.

I also hate it when games are decided in a shootout though.

 

[Yozhik v tumane]

Something that bugs me about the shootouts though… In the World Championships, I somewhat get that the French or Hungarian broadcasters will demand games will be decided on schedule, I guess.

But for the Olympics: aren’t part of the Olympics that it’s on tv like all the time?Tennis games might go on forever as well, even in the Olympics: I remember watching the semifinal of the men’s doubles in 2004 or 2008, when a Swedish pair played a French one for hours on end since no one could string together two sets. Why can’t we accept that this is how knockout rounds are decided in hockey as well, and have the Olympic broadcasters deal with it like they would a tennis match?

 

[ninetyeight]

That would be very dumb.

I guess Yzerman is very dumb lol. Interesting to see how this plays out, maybe he's a total bust in NA who knows. They didn't even pay anything, he could have been had very cheap. Now we're still fighting for couple of average UFAs with the rest of the league, while Yzerman grabs their goalie for peanuts. It's almost like other GMs think you can only sign players and coaches inside the league/north america.

 

[tailfins]

I guess Yzerman is very dumb lol. Interesting to see how this plays out, maybe he's a total bust in NA who knows. They didn't even pay anything, he could have been had very cheap. Now we're still fighting for couple of average UFAs with the rest of the league, while Yzerman grabs their goalie for peanuts. It's almost like other GMs think you can only sign players and coaches inside the league/north america.

The Devils have a harder time signing lottery pick goalies right now just because of what’s in their minor league system. Would you want this guy to take starts from Daws or Schmid? I think the Devils need someone who can definitely play at the NHL level. Unless you’re ready to terminate this guys contract if he doesn’t make the team, why sign him. And if you’re willing to do that, why would he sign here?

 

[Triumph]

I guess Yzerman is very dumb lol. Interesting to see how this plays out, maybe he's a total bust in NA who knows. They didn't even pay anything, he could have been had very cheap. Now we're still fighting for couple of average UFAs with the rest of the league, while Yzerman grabs their goalie for peanuts. It's almost like other GMs think you can only sign players and coaches inside the league/north america.

This is great, I want every other team to be signing goalies out of Europe. The Devils, however, should not be doing this.

 

[ninetyeight]

I just want a good goalie, I don't care where we get him. I'm curious to see how you guys feel, when we miss out on all of the good UFA goalies and Gillies is starting opening night.

 

[Guttersniped]

The Devils have a harder time signing lottery pick goalies right now just because of what’s in their minor league system. Would you want this guy to take starts from Daws or Schmid? I think the Devils need someone who can definitely play at the NHL level. Unless you’re ready to terminate this guys contract if he doesn’t make the team, why sign him. And if you’re willing to do that, why would he sign here?

Yes? These type of guys get contracts get terminated all the time. He signed in Detroit, that’s a winning club? How many healthy goalies do we have again. Brodeur said they would shop for European FA goalies.

We need goalie depth desperately, Daws was injuried for over a month in December, we had lost Wedge on waivers, then Bernier was gone for the season, and Schmid couldn’t hack it the NHL. We didn’t have anyone else who was signed to play goal in the NHL. We traded for Gillies and he immediately ended up on the COVID protocol list after 1 game.

That’s what led to Blackwood playing injured (with “pain management” and no off day practices), which led to tanking his numbers and also presumably souring the relationship between him and the team.

You don’t have bare boned AHL squads with just your top prospects you want to play, you’re playing with fire and it’s a great way to potentially f*** over both your NHL and AHL team next season. (We played our ECHL over and over in the AHL, with the minor league equivalent of EBUGs backing him up, in December while Daws was out and Schmid was in NJ.)

The UFA goalie market is so putrid that Wedge has the 7th - 9th highest cap hit predicted by Evolving Hockey, grabbing a solid experienced pro European goalie for your 3rd goalie is a good move.

Wedge benefits from only being 29 in a market where almost everyone is either very old, has even less NHL experience or had even worse numbers than him (often way worse). Or some terrifying combination of those elements. Teams will be fighting over scraps.

I was hoping for at least one clever Euro signing Brodeur alluded to in an interview a while back to show up. This team’s inability to make good European FA signings doesn’t deserve excuses, it’s another thing we need to get good at if we want to join the big boys.

 

[Triumph]

I just want a good goalie, I don't care where we get him. I'm curious to see how you guys feel, when we miss out on all of the good UFA goalies and Gillies is starting opening night.

The Devils should have no interest in this sort of player. The Red Wings are at a way different stage of their rebuild even if it doesn't look that way from the outside. They have Nedeljkovic who they are semi-committed to, but they also have really no depth in their system - Greiss is likely gone (though given the state of the NHL it would not surprise me if he got a PTO somewhere), their other goalies are Calvin Pickard who's a 30 year old AHL lifer,Victor Brattstrom, a 25 year old who struggled in the AHL, and Sebastian Cossa who likely begins his AHL career next season.

So you can have Olkinuora battle out some other guy like him for the NHL backup spot, with the loser of the battle splitting time with Cossa. All this is fine when you're not planning on going anywhere.

 

[Eggtimer]

Devils need a legit starter . Why would we sign a goalie that is a massive question mark? I get wanting to address the need for a goalie but signing every decent goalie out there and hoping they pan out eventually is not an option for us.
Say we signed this guy , try him out to start the season . If he struggles and is tryig to find his game that may or may not be there … how many games do we lose as a result. Once again , we’d be out of the payoffs before Christmas.
We are not in the same place in the rebuild as Detroit. We cannot take risks amd lose games trying to figure out who is good and who is not. That’s what the previous two years were about.

 

[Guttersniped]

We need to sign more than one goalie, that’s how organizational goalie depth works. Detroit signed one for 800k and people are acting like it’s a bad thing or something we don’t need.

We aren’t going to only have 2 NHL goalies, 2 AHL goalies and 1 ECHL on a minor league deal, so sorry, we actually need more than just one starting NHL goalie.

 

[Triumph]

We need to sign more than one goalie, that’s how organizational goalie depth works. Detroit signed one for 800k and people are acting like it’s a bad thing or something we don’t need.

We aren’t going to only have 2 NHL goalies, 2 AHL goalies and 1 ECHL on a minor league deal, so sorry, we actually need more than just one starting NHL goalie.

Yes, the Devils need a goalie for the AHL, but why would it be this guy or anyone with his player profile? Detroit signed him for $750k/$375k (minimum $425k). This is clearly somebody who they envision either as an NHL backup or taking a substantial share of the starts in Grand Rapids. And likewise, why would someone like this sign here? What opportunity is being offered?

The Devils should be acquiring a goalie who can go over top of Blackwood on the depth chart and a guy that slides under/beside Daws, a longtime NA pro, someone more like Calvin Pickard than Jussi Olkinuora.

 

[Hisch13r]

Oh no we didn’t sign the guy turning 32 who last played in NA half a decade ago and was AWFUL when he did

 

[Guttersniped]

Yes, the Devils need a goalie for the AHL, but why would it be this guy or anyone with his player profile? Detroit signed him for $750k/$375k (minimum $425k). This is clearly somebody who they envision either as an NHL backup or taking a substantial share of the starts in Grand Rapids. And likewise, why would someone like this sign here? What opportunity is being offered?

The Devils should be acquiring a goalie who can go over top of Blackwood on the depth chart and a guy that slides under/beside Daws, a longtime NA pro, someone more like Calvin Pickard than Jussi Olkinuora.

I don’t know what that guy envisioned, but he’s not going to be their #2 unless the market go real bad for them. I assume he’s their #3 goalie but he might also have some sneaky upside.

There aren’t going to be very many guys like Calvin Pickford available, and more Aaron Dell-level guys or worse, it’s a very thin market.

 

[ninetyeight]

Olkinuora is gonna make a lot of you look stupid. The fact that you are looking stats from a decade ago shows you have no idea what you are talking about. He's the definition of late bloomer, he has elevated his game by a lot. His buddy Harri Säteri has had a similar road and is now a NHL goalie, Olkinuora has out played him by a large margin everywhere.

Yeah sure he can fail, everyone can. But if you're paying him less than million he's a true low risk high reward guy. I'm gonna take a bold prediction and say he's detroit's starter goalie before next year.

And all of you guys saying you'd rather just get a legit starter. Do you have any idea how any of this works? You don't just get a starter like that, the UFA offering is pretty slim and there are tons of other teams looking to sign a goalie. Every team needs a legit starter goalie, they aren't just going to trade their starter for nothing. It will cost a lot and there's tons of risks when you are buying high, how does he adapt to the new environment? How much of his success was because of the team in front of him?

If the Devils don't get a goalie this offseason and we're back with the two injured wrecks, Daws and Gillies, how will all of you feel about this?

 

[Triumph]

I don’t know what that guy envisioned, but he’s not going to be their #2 unless the market go real bad for them. I assume he’s their #3 goalie but he might also have some sneaky upside.

There aren’t going to be very many guys like Calvin Pickford available, and more Aaron Dell-level guys or worse, it’s a very thin market.

I don't understand how the thought that Olkinuora won't be their #2 and the thought that 'there won't be many guys like Calvin Pickard available' square. The whole reason Pickards are in short supply is that there's a goaltending shortage in the NHL. Koskinen already signed overseas, Greiss is probably done, Mike Smith might retire, Bernier might be done, Lehner might start the season injured, DeSmith is out for a long time, Price is probably done, and so on. There's just not enough backup goalies to go around and too many teams need 2 goalies this offseason.

I expect the Wings to sign a guy in similar straits to Olkinuora, not an unproven guy, but someone who's kicked around the NHL. I could see them taking on Mrazek for a price, e.g.

Olkinuora is gonna make a lot of you look stupid. The fact that you are looking stats from a decade ago shows you have no idea what you are talking about. He's the definition of late bloomer, he has elevated his game by a lot. His buddy Harri Säteri has had a similar road and is now a NHL goalie, Olkinuora has out played him by a large margin everywhere.

Yeah sure he can fail, everyone can. But if you're paying him less than million he's a true low risk high reward guy. I'm gonna take a bold prediction and say he's detroit's starter goalie before next year.

And all of you guys saying you'd rather just get a legit starter. Do you have any idea how any of this works? You don't just get a starter like that, the UFA offering is pretty slim and there are tons of other teams looking to sign a goalie. Every team needs a legit starter goalie, they aren't just going to trade their starter for nothing. It will cost a lot and there's tons of risks when you are buying high, how does he adapt to the new environment? How much of his success was because of the team in front of him?

If the Devils don't get a goalie this offseason and we're back with the two injured wrecks, Daws and Gillies, how will all of you feel about this?

The Devils will get a goalie this offseason. They've made it very clear that they intend to do so. They might overpay, but they will be getting one. Also Harri Sateri had an .866 save percentage in Arizona, I wouldn't be so quick to call him an NHL goalie. I expect he will also sign in North America but that his deal will be similar to Olkinuora's.

 

[ninetyeight]

The Devils will get a goalie this offseason. They've made it very clear that they intend to do so. They might overpay, but they will be getting one.

If we miss out on Campbell, Kuemper and Husso (who btw played for the same team Finland as Olkinuora, but his stats aren't even close as good) do we go for a trade? And what kinda assets are you comfortable giving away? I doubt we can just dump our junk and get something of value.

 

[Guttersniped]

I don't understand how the thought that Olkinuora won't be their #2 and the thought that 'there won't be many guys like Calvin Pickard available' square. The whole reason Pickards are in short supply is that there's a goaltending shortage in the NHL. Koskinen already signed overseas, Greiss is probably done, Mike Smith might retire, Bernier might be done, Lehner might start the season injured, DeSmith is out for a long time, Price is probably done, and so on. There's just not enough backup goalies to go around and too many teams need 2 goalies this offseason.

I expect the Wings to sign a guy in similar straits to Olkinuora, not an unproven guy, but someone who's kicked around the NHL. I could see them taking on Mrazek for a price, e.g.



The Devils will get a goalie this offseason. They've made it very clear that they intend to do so. They might overpay, but they will be getting one. Also Harri Sateri had an .866 save percentage in Arizona, I wouldn't be so quick to call him an NHL goalie. I expect he will also sign in North America but that his deal will be similar to Olkinuora's.

I’m assuming Detroit will get another goalie because this is a 1 year two way deal with 425k guaranteed salary. That’s a contract a 3rd goalie (at best) gets not a NHL back up.

They’re paying Nedeljkovic 3m. The market sucks, I don’t know who else they will get but I’m assuming they will get another goalie. Anything can happen, so maybe they don’t, but that would be a surprise to me. This is also nice insurance in case that UFA hunt goes sideways and they get a piece of crap Plan D after guys sign elsewhere. (People debating between Husso vs Campbell vs etc need to prepare for that fun potential outcome.)

Detroit isn’t planning on tanking, if they were they wouldn’t have fired their coach. It’s unfair to hire a new guy and give him even worse goaltending prospects then they had the year before.

We need a starter and a goalie for the minors signed to a deal just like this. Sorry if it’s weird to think that 1) Yzerman knows what he’s doing. 2) Brodeur was serious about looking at the European goalie market (and what would we get there other than a 3rd goalie?)

Are those “appeals to authority”? Maybe, but I’m also done debating a 2 way deal minor league deal that people are treating as Detroit’s one swing at a back-up goalie.

It’s an AHL deal that has no cap implications and these types of deals often get mutually terminated if they don’t work out pretty quickly. (Not always sure why the players agree to that, and I’m even a little suspicious of the process, but they do.)

 

[Bleedred]

His buddy Harri Säteri has had a similar road and is now a NHL goalie,

No he's not.

He's absolutely not an NHL goalie. He's a few years into his 30's (I swore he was 35, but he's only 32. It's Alex Stalock that turns 35 this summer and him and Sateri were both Sharks goalie prospects around the same time, though Stalock played in A LOT more NHL games/more successful NHL career) and just no. This guy is not for the NHL. He played 9 (NINE!) regular season NHL games before this year, all in 2017-2018 with Florida.

If you don't have time to watch EVERY goal scored around the league (I don't expect you to) then I ask that you please just watch the 21 goals he allowed this year.

As bad as Arizona is, this guy just absolutely KILLED them in some of those games.

I counted him for 10 goals stoppable and he only allowed 21. It's very rare that I count 48% of goals on any goalie stoppable and I'm sure that's just a victim of sample size. I would bet that percentage comes down a little bit (maybe to 40% which seems to be common for the very WORST of goalies in my personal stats over a significant number of games played), but that's worse than Gillies and Hammond as Devils.

I'm pretty sure any chances Sateri had of getting an NHL deal this year went out the window with those 6 games. He can make more in Europe than he can spending most of the year in the AHL waiting to get an NHL call up.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm okay with signing a Euro goalie, just as long as we don't expect him to see a single second of ice time next year in the NHL.

We already saw 25 games of Daws (a goalie straight over from Euro with no NHL experience at all) last year. A goalie that's older than Daws might be better at the NHL level than Daws was, but we don't need someone like that here for next year.

We need a real legit NHL goalie (at least one) this offseason.

 

[Triumph]

I’m assuming Detroit will get another goalie because this is a 1 year two way deal with 425k guaranteed salary. That’s a contract a 3rd goalie (at best) gets not a NHL back up.

They’re paying Nedeljkovic 3m. The market sucks, I don’t know who else they will get but I’m assuming they will get another goalie. Anything can happen, so maybe they don’t, but that would be surprised to me. This is also nice insurance in case that UFA hunt goes sideways and they get a piece of crap Plan D after guys sign elsewhere. (People debating between Husso vs Campbell vs etc need to prepare for that fun potential outcome.)

Detroit isn’t planning on tanking, if they were they wouldn’t have fired their coach. It’s unfair to hire a new guy and give him even worse goaltending prospects then they had the year before.

I don't think Detroit is tanking, but I also don't think they're trying super hard - Arizona just hired a new coach and then dismantled the whole team. That said, I didn't mean to give the impression that this guy is going to be the backup, because there's obviously a very strong possibility he won't be. I just think they are reserving the possibility for this guy beating out whoever else they get as a backup. Obviously that might not happen, there's lots of guys they could sign or acquire where I would say okay, Detroit thinks they've got 2 NHL goalies and Jussi's going to Grand Rapids to start the year.

We need a starter and a goalie for the minors signed to a deal just like this. Sorry if it’s weird to think that 1) Yzerman knows what he’s doing. 2) Brodeur was serious about looking at the European goalie market (and what would we get there other than a 3rd goalie?)

Are those “appeals to authority”? Maybe, but I’m also done debating a 2 way deal minor league deal that people are treating as Detroit’s one swing at a back-up goalie.

It’s an AHL deal that has no cap implications and these types of deals often get mutually terminated if they don’t work out pretty quickly. (Not always sure why the players agree to that, and I’m even a little suspicious of the process, but they do.

I believe Brodeur was serious about looking at the European market, but I just can't see them going in that sort of direction. If they did, I think it would be someone who had more success stateside (like e.g. Sateri). I thought this was Brodeur talking about Europe at or around the trade deadline when the Devils needed someone to finish out the year. I don't know why a European veteran would come here, assuming the Devils get a real goalie to go with Blackwood, but money talks, I suppose.