Didn't read all the GDT tonight, but last thing I know is that he totally gets credit for his recent performance(s).
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Didn't read all the GDT tonight, but last thing I know is that he totally gets credit for his recent performance(s).
only caught most of the third and OT, thought we looked good. Or at least a lot better than the last time we played the Jets.
Guy's a horse out there. Damn good looking player, and doing far better than I expected.
Guy's a horse out there. Damn good looking player, and doing far better than I expected.
Good game..Two in a row. Do not change anything. Same lines , same d pairs. Although I would like to see Z and Mantha with TV for a game or two
After a AHL first the d tightened up. That is two games in a row where the d played better . We have actually been leaving the zone while under pressure without two or three gv's that result in point blank chances
After a AHL first the d tightened up. That is two games in a row where the d played better . We have actually been leaving the zone while under pressure without two or three gv's that result in point blank chances
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Could be wrong, but I seem to recall Z being good for the first half of last season, then faling off in the second leg.
It's a long season. Hopefully he can more or less maintain the same form he's in now.
I hate it when people do this. The majority was hammering on Z in the off-season when he sucked for the entirety of last season. And that continued on through a fairly pedestrian 10-15 games. But in the past couple weeks, people have been giving him his due as he's come to life. I don't understand the point of calling people out for calling it as it comes...
Seriously... the "I TOLD U SO" mentality is the worst
he was praised for the first 30 games of last season when he looked good, then he was criticized for the rest of the season when he looked bad. Then he was criticized to start this season when he continued to look bad, then people gave him credit for playing well the past couple weeks. Whats wrong with that?
I don't even know if criticized is the right word, people just accepted that he is old and not as good anymore and expressed their sadness/disappointment.
He had 23 points through the first 29 games last year. (65 point pace)
BUT he had 9 points in the first 5 games.
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Zetterberg's performance this year proves that speed is not all you need. Smarts can compensate for lack of speed. Heck, look at Jarg, for example.
Thats probably right, but the point is that people were down on Z to start the season because of how bad he was for the majority of last season and the playoffs. And he wasn't looking too hot to start this season either. Now that he's been playing well, people are coming around on him, obviously reservedly at first, but more recently with a lot more excitement.
Basically, the majority is responding in accordance with how he's been playing.
It's almost as if back surgery impacted his ability to train in the off season which in turn affected his play as the season wore on...
I'm glad to see fans giving him is due because he very much deserves it right now. He has always left it all on the ice; I just wish more fans could appreciate that even when he isn't piling up the points.
The effort has always been there. He's getting old. I've still seen him getting harsh criticism even as recently as a couple games ago.
His still this team's best player.
HIFE
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Heaton keep on eatin'! This is the second reference to fried chicken, haha. I would call it the Meltdown in Manitoba. Motown Meltdown? Snow and rain mixing, not cold enough to freeze hard.
This turned into a truly decent game, nice flow back and forth in the 2nd and 3rd. Winni got lulled to sleep then slowed down drastically. At times they appeared a little too heavy, it's not 2012 anymore.
Great game from the Wings. It was classic and for some reason stirred up pride in myself. It creates further discussion of what exactly we're witnessing, no one can be sure. The Wings actually got the results begged for by many fans online and not a 3rd period meltdown. Detroit played respectable in the right way, I'm glad the crowd had a good time. I know I did.
This turned into a truly decent game, nice flow back and forth in the 2nd and 3rd. Winni got lulled to sleep then slowed down drastically. At times they appeared a little too heavy, it's not 2012 anymore.
Great game from the Wings. It was classic and for some reason stirred up pride in myself. It creates further discussion of what exactly we're witnessing, no one can be sure. The Wings actually got the results begged for by many fans online and not a 3rd period meltdown. Detroit played respectable in the right way, I'm glad the crowd had a good time. I know I did.
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Larkin looked good. Mrazek didn't let the 2nd and 3rd goals bother him, which is fantastic. Zetterberg has looked good the last 5+ games. Mantha is just amazing. Can't wait to see his game grow and learn the league. Nielsen and Vanek looked good. Nice to see Tatar actually get a goal, hopefully that will give him some encouragement.
Even points aside, he just looked way more agile in the in the first half of the season than the second half. The grind of the season definitely caught up with him. Blashill leaning on him as heavily as he did early on didn't help any either.
Well, don't disagree with that -- we sports fans are pretty reactionary.
Henkka
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My god on what form was Larkin today. I don't understand what was the idea to put Larkin on 4th line and then swap him with Jurco, but my god it worked. That was best offensive effort he has played probably ever in NHL. His plays will converted to scoring attempts in every shift with a high rate.
Player, Points, ScoringAttempts(Quality + AssistedAttempts(Quality), Screens + OtherOff.Play + OtherDef.Play = Total Scoring Attempt points
LW Mantha, 1+0 tehot, 3(1) + 3(1), 1+1+1 = 12p
C Zetterberg, 0+1, 2(0) + 2(1), 1+3+3 = 13
RW Tatar, 1+0, 4(2) + 0(0), 3+1+1 = 12
---------- First line put some scoring one the table. Solid game from them again, they have been very consistent on latest games. Tatar scored finally and that was typical Tatar-goal, those usually happen after a defenceman-rebound (like DeKeyser-shot today), when I watched his earlier highlights. Mantha goal was all Larkin. Zetterberg was very strong defensively today.
LW Glendening, 0+0, 2(1) + 1(0), 0+1+5 = 10
C Nielsen, 0+0, 5(2) + 4(1), 0+1+3 = 16
RW Jurco, 0+0, 1(0) + 2(1), 0+1+1 = 6
----------- Nielsen was very meh in the 1st period, but it was with Jurco there. When Larkin was promoted to play with him, everything changed. Nielsen was one of our best players. Glendening was suberb defensively, I'm quite sure his Corsi looked bad again, but who gives a ****, when he takes out those QUALITY CHANCES from opposite team. Those will matter. That's REAL defence, not Corsi numbers.
LW Vanek, 1+0, 2(1) + 6(3), 0+0+1 = 14
C Sheahan, 0+0, 2(1) + 1(0), 2+0+1 = 7
RW Nyquist, 0+1, 1(1) + 3(2), 1+0+0 = 9
------------- I liked Sheahan on this line and thought this idea at earlier games. Nice to see they did try it. When Larkin is on this line (instead of Helm), there's no net-front precence and good defence in it and Vanek goes wasted when he has to do the net-front. Sheahan adds the net-front + better defence (than Larkin) and then Vanek can maximize his skill plays. That's maximizing our most skilled player's ability. I hope they keep them together now.
LW Miller, 0+0, 0(0) + 1(0), 0+0+3 = 4
C Larkin, 0+2, 6(2) + 9(3), 0+1+0 = 23
RW Ott, 0+0, 0(0) + 1(0), 1+0+1 = 3
------ Miller and Ott vere visible only on the PK, but Larkin had that dynamite game. That 23 points on my scale was ELITE-LEVEL effort from him. I've collected this kind of +20 point games only from NHLs TOP talented elite players like Crosby and McDavid.
LD DeKeyser, 0+1, 1(0) + 3(1), 0+0+7 = +13 (-5 opposite scoring chances against) = +8p
RD Green, 0+0, 3(2) + 4(1), 0+0+2 = +12 (-8 opposite scoring chances against) = +4p
LD Ericsson, 0+0, 2(0) + 0(0), 0+0+1 = +3 (-4 opposite scoring chances against) = -1p
RD Ouellet, 0+1, 1(0) + 3(1), 0+0+3 = +9 (-1 opposite scoring chances against) = +8p
LD Kronwall, 0+0, 1(1) + 2(0), 0+0+2 = +6 (0 opposite scoring chances against) = +6p
RD Lashoff, 0+0, 1(0), 2(0), 0+0+1 = +4 (-1 opposite scoring chances against) = +3p
Green was horrible, he took 6/7 of Jets first Quality chances against, and those were mostly his own faults. Ouellet is doing surprisingly good lately and no one notices... nice play on that Vanek goal. Mistake-free game from Kronwall. Good.
Player, Points, ScoringAttempts(Quality + AssistedAttempts(Quality), Screens + OtherOff.Play + OtherDef.Play = Total Scoring Attempt points
LW Mantha, 1+0 tehot, 3(1) + 3(1), 1+1+1 = 12p
C Zetterberg, 0+1, 2(0) + 2(1), 1+3+3 = 13
RW Tatar, 1+0, 4(2) + 0(0), 3+1+1 = 12
---------- First line put some scoring one the table. Solid game from them again, they have been very consistent on latest games. Tatar scored finally and that was typical Tatar-goal, those usually happen after a defenceman-rebound (like DeKeyser-shot today), when I watched his earlier highlights. Mantha goal was all Larkin. Zetterberg was very strong defensively today.
LW Glendening, 0+0, 2(1) + 1(0), 0+1+5 = 10
C Nielsen, 0+0, 5(2) + 4(1), 0+1+3 = 16
RW Jurco, 0+0, 1(0) + 2(1), 0+1+1 = 6
----------- Nielsen was very meh in the 1st period, but it was with Jurco there. When Larkin was promoted to play with him, everything changed. Nielsen was one of our best players. Glendening was suberb defensively, I'm quite sure his Corsi looked bad again, but who gives a ****, when he takes out those QUALITY CHANCES from opposite team. Those will matter. That's REAL defence, not Corsi numbers.
LW Vanek, 1+0, 2(1) + 6(3), 0+0+1 = 14
C Sheahan, 0+0, 2(1) + 1(0), 2+0+1 = 7
RW Nyquist, 0+1, 1(1) + 3(2), 1+0+0 = 9
------------- I liked Sheahan on this line and thought this idea at earlier games. Nice to see they did try it. When Larkin is on this line (instead of Helm), there's no net-front precence and good defence in it and Vanek goes wasted when he has to do the net-front. Sheahan adds the net-front + better defence (than Larkin) and then Vanek can maximize his skill plays. That's maximizing our most skilled player's ability. I hope they keep them together now.
LW Miller, 0+0, 0(0) + 1(0), 0+0+3 = 4
C Larkin, 0+2, 6(2) + 9(3), 0+1+0 = 23
RW Ott, 0+0, 0(0) + 1(0), 1+0+1 = 3
------ Miller and Ott vere visible only on the PK, but Larkin had that dynamite game. That 23 points on my scale was ELITE-LEVEL effort from him. I've collected this kind of +20 point games only from NHLs TOP talented elite players like Crosby and McDavid.
LD DeKeyser, 0+1, 1(0) + 3(1), 0+0+7 = +13 (-5 opposite scoring chances against) = +8p
RD Green, 0+0, 3(2) + 4(1), 0+0+2 = +12 (-8 opposite scoring chances against) = +4p
LD Ericsson, 0+0, 2(0) + 0(0), 0+0+1 = +3 (-4 opposite scoring chances against) = -1p
RD Ouellet, 0+1, 1(0) + 3(1), 0+0+3 = +9 (-1 opposite scoring chances against) = +8p
LD Kronwall, 0+0, 1(1) + 2(0), 0+0+2 = +6 (0 opposite scoring chances against) = +6p
RD Lashoff, 0+0, 1(0), 2(0), 0+0+1 = +4 (-1 opposite scoring chances against) = +3p
Green was horrible, he took 6/7 of Jets first Quality chances against, and those were mostly his own faults. Ouellet is doing surprisingly good lately and no one notices... nice play on that Vanek goal. Mistake-free game from Kronwall. Good.
KJoe88
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What kind of fan are you?
I won't lie, I'm so sick of these posts. As much as I love posting with majority of you guys, posts like that one really demoralize me. I love being a Wings fan, but sometimes I get irked on this board. Now, I know most of you guys are great people, but c'mon with these cynical and doom and gloom stuff.
We actually put in a legit effort after the 1st and deserved a win.
Bravo, Wings.
HIFE
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People say things in the moment, an expression. We know there are Wings fans that want to draft higher and rebuild, that's their prerogative. High picks is a wonderful thing, I can see the logic of what critics are saying. You may be closer to the middle of the road which IMO is a healthy place. HF shares so much knowledge don't get too bent out of shape over a different opinion.
Red Stanley
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For anyone who's poured in blood, sweat, pride and money into this streak, just giving it up is not an option. I personally find that admirable. Your mileage may vary. It'll come to an end sooner or later without all the negativity anyway.
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Ovechkin looked much better.
Do people seriously not remember how ridiculous Ovechkin was in his first couple of years? Obviously he was older, but it's not even close..
Pavels Dog
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Same for Vanek. Smarts and an ability to protect the puck can make up for a lot. Z's success currently is in large part because he looks stronger and more like his old self in terms of actually being able to protect the puck. He was never relying on speed, it was always the puck protection that was his big thing.
Maybe. Probably. Won't expect him to play like this all season. Especially with how much icetime he gets. The promising thing though is that he is actually getting better with every game right now. Last 2 seasons he has started great the first 10 games or so and then never showed that spark again. This could be a sign that he's actually better prepared this year.
I remember. In some ways Ovie may have been more impressive. More of a physical beast, a monster just going on rush after rush firing shots.
But I have never been much of a fan of Ovie. I think even at his best he was never good in the d-zone, never much of a playmaker, and seems to have always lacked something in the hockey IQ department. Also worth mentioning that scoring was a bit higher league-wide when Ovie hit the NHL. Did about 50% of all his scoring on the PP in his rookie year.
Laine looks like he is already better defensively than Ovie has ever been. He looks like he's smart enough to make the pass when the shooting lane isn't there. I like his game better, less one-dimensional.
If we can win with Larkin, Mantha and Mrazek looking this good, it's excellent for the team. Add Athanasiou to the mix, get Sproul back into the lineup and I don't see why we should be wishing for failure. This year's draft isn't even that good. Doubtful there's a player in the top 10 that significantly alters a team's future. I'd rather take a decent year, make the playoffs, and hope for our current batch of D prospects to hit potential.
Sheriff Bert
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I think so far this year every game that I missed, Tatar has scored.
Hopefully this ends the slump.
Hopefully this ends the slump.
And some people think that's not what's best for the team in the long run. It's almost like it's been a recurring argument back and forth. Weird.
*******
Laine is really, really good. I don't know what the Jets are missing (besides, possibly, consistent goaltending), but they have a lot of pieces I wish we had. If that team played up to their potential, they'd be really scary.
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