William Nylander Discussion, pt II
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FLpanthers16
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Theres quite a diffrence in quality of both leagues.. SHL is the 3rd best league after NHL and KHL so yeah theres that!
TLeafsFan
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So now Nylander > then Eichel, a guy most scouts see as a future franchise, build your teamaround type of center?
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Eichel has 4-5-9 points in 5 games which = almost 2 points per game.
Nylander has 3-8-11 points in 8 games in the SEL
It makes no sense to compare their stats - different players who play different games in different leagues.
Even if they werein the same league, when you're 18-19 its more about how a player projects as a pro then how productive they are. Not everyone who scores a lot in the SHL or NCAA or OHL becomes an scoring beast in the NHL.
Even if they werein the same league, when you're 18-19 its more about how a player projects as a pro then how productive they are. Not everyone who scores a lot in the SHL or NCAA or OHL becomes an scoring beast in the NHL.
Oh no, we have an amazing prospect! Quick! Downplay it! Not EVERY player that looks good young becomes amazing, so we can safely say that ours doing things that few if any players, even NHL superstars, have been able to do is meaningless.
But oh, if guys even younger are doing less, we can TOTALLY call that they'll be franchise guys that we should sacrifice the last 5 years of building for.
If another team had Nylander, you'd be drooling over him, saying we needed to tank so we could get a player like Nylander.
Tell us, oh great one, how do Nylander and Eichel project as pros? Since you seem to have every 17-18 year old prospect's eventual development already mapped out.
zeke
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If Willy keeps doing what he's doing, its gonna be hard to deny what he is. What he's doing is incredible stuff.
He is a godo prospect, no one is denying that.
We dunno yet what he'll do or be at hte NHL level.
Dangles - trying reading the sight you are posting on. It'd be a good starting place for you.
zeke
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The encouraging thing about Willy is that none of the scouts doubted his talent much. For the most part they all agreed he had top-of-his-class skills. They just wondered if it would carry over into gameplay....and man oh man is it carrying over into gameplay in a very good men's pro league.
Hockeysfuture.
Done.
As in our prospect is indicating in every way that he has a promising FUTURE in HOCKEY.
Now you try this reading thing.
StuckOutHere
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What Nylander is doing in the SHL is superior to what Eichel, who is not even half a year younger, is doing in the NCAA. Nylander's play, if it continues as such, will be quite literally, historic. Take into account MODO was junk until Nylander showed up.
With this said, we have no idea what Eichel could accomplish playing in Sweden with professionals versus playing, comparatively, junk hockey in the NCAA. Maybe it's an American thing, but anyone who is almost certainly jumping into the NHL at 18 has no business playing in the NCAA. Education is great, but it's a shadow of the league, development-wise, the OHL, QMJHL, or WHL are.
With this said, we have no idea what Eichel could accomplish playing in Sweden with professionals versus playing, comparatively, junk hockey in the NCAA. Maybe it's an American thing, but anyone who is almost certainly jumping into the NHL at 18 has no business playing in the NCAA. Education is great, but it's a shadow of the league, development-wise, the OHL, QMJHL, or WHL are.
There are questions about his size (he does have to get bigger), his defensive adn two-way play, some attitude questions, and ultimately some potential questions.
Last years draft was a year without a guy who really had franchise or generational potential. So was everyone wrong about Nylander and he will be that guy who can carry a top line or even a team, or is he a very skilled guy who wil be good but not great (like his old man, Briere in his prime, Eberle, Vanek, Stastny) player.
Thats the thing right now - we know we have a very skilled, talented guy who has a good chance of making the NHL, but level of player will be? Thats the big question.
TheLeastOfTheBunch
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Eichel is an amazing prospect, but let's not downplay Nylander here. Before the 2014 draft year he was rated as the ~#2 draft eligible prospect..and right now with the way he's playing vs men in Sweden, he may very well be going back to that kind of elite promise. Perhaps not "franchise player" level of promise that Jack has, but we've got a great one in Nylander, nonetheless.
Leafidelity
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Pretty easy to tell which guy Nylander is out there right now, he's the most noticeable player on the ice. Didn't even need a number to find him.
TheLeastOfTheBunch
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If you think first line players are 'good but not great', then there is likely nothing anyone can say that would cause you to change your opinion.
The question bolded is asked for every single draft pick, even if they are going #1 overall (for those guys the answer is usually first line forward or #1 dman or elite goaltender). There is no guarantee that Eichel will become a franchise player, just like there is no guarantee Nylander will become a #1C. If you want a true answer, you'll have to wait ~5 years until they have established themselves in the NHL.
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those were really all just one big question, not a bunch of different ones.
To be honest - I think it's clear that we can already say, to some extent, that everyone was wrong about Nylander. What he's already doing this already shows higher upside and floor than what most thought on draft day. And, to be fair, Nylander wasn't good in the SHL last year for a variety of reasons, so all the question marks were valid to some extent. But make no mistake he's already put to rest a good portion of the questions by being an outright impact player right away, even with the small sample.
This doesn't mean he's a lock to be a star, or even a lock to be a good NHLer - but given how quickly prospect stock can change, I feel pretty comfortable saying that if Willy had even just put up 11pts in 8gms in the SHL last year, and looked as good as he looks so far, then he'd have gone much higher than he did in a draft that, as you say, lacked elite upside. Even with the tiny sample, I bet you a re-draft today would have nylander going right near the top.
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If they keep up those PT/GM totals throughout the whole year I will be VERY impressed.
But historically those kind of pt/game totals are hard for kids their age.
I think what Eichel and Nylander are doing is equally impressive.
I didn't realize Eichel had shot up so much, I know he had like a 5 pt game one night.
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