This so much. We don't need to be paying him $10.5+ for 7 years if he's getting 60-70 points a year, isn't very good in the faceoff circle, and isn't doing much if he's not scoring. Having 15%+ of your cap tied up in a guy like that when we need to sign our Nylanders, Marners, Riellys, 1sts from this year and next, a goalie, and if we make any big moves for a young player (Trouba for an example - not that I think we do for him) can quickly become a problem. I'd love to have him on the team for his actual value ($8-8.5) but that's just dreaming.
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This so much. We don't need to be paying him $10.5+ for 7 years if he's getting 60-70 points a year, isn't very good in the faceoff circle, and isn't doing much if he's not scoring. Having 15%+ of your cap tied up in a guy like that when we need to sign our Nylanders, Marners, Riellys, 1sts from this year and next, a goalie, and if we make any big moves for a young player (Trouba for an example - not that I think we do for him) can quickly become a problem. I'd love to have him on the team for his actual value ($8-8.5) but that's just dreaming.
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Once Marner or Nylander, or heck even Matthews start producing more then him, how do you tell them they aren't worth 10-12M?
The bar has been set at that point and he becomes a point of comparison on the team.
Considering we now have three 2nd round picks in 2017 (TOR, OTT, SJ), where is the value in packaging 2/3 of the picks?
Does 2017 2nd OTT + 2017 2nd SJ = 1st 2016? What number?
Does 2017 2nd OTT + 2017 2nd SJ = 1st 2016? What number?
Ideally... but we should also temper expectations, and focus on the difference between "needs today" and "needs eventually".
The Leafs need, both today, and long term, a top pair defenceman to play alongside Morgan Rielly and/or Jake Gardiner. Given that we're rebuilding, a guy who qualifies as "top 4" would likely suffice for today's needs... so the real hope is that we get somebody who's top 4 today, top pair in the future.
Assuming you get that, yes, for this team to be highly successful, Matt Hunwick cannot be a top 4 defenceman. However, at this point, we're not shooting for a Stanley Cup. We just need a guy to help insulate some younger players, and Hunwick has done a fine job of that.
Eventually, will we need somebody else there? yes. However, we may have that guy already in the system... so it doesn't make much sense to go out looking for a long term solution.
How do you tell them???
Welll DUHHH!!!!!!!! 99
You tell them you are a RFA and no one demands 10/12m a year.
The Leafs need to keep JVR, they need him to insulate Nylander,Marner,Matthews/Laine/Puljujarvi/Dubois otherwise we are going to be like Edmonton.
You wont get a 1st, what if they are both bottom 10? Would you trade a 1st for the 54,57 picks in a draft a year after.
I think one major factor is how much value you place on the TML scouting headed by Mark Hunter.
If they're good enough to score on a selection even just 10% more often than the league average, it makes more sense to gather as many picks as possible and trade excess prospects when their value matures.
Not only have we massively upgraded the scouting department but we have also massively upgraded the development sectors, spending big on analytics, training, and establishing not just a very good AHL farm system but even expanding that to the ECHL.
And who knows maybe even the KHL at some point.
So our development sector is uniform. You can expect prospects from the OHL to the ECHL to the AHL to the NHL to all be playing the same way, trained under the same system, educated by the best trainers, monitored by analytics/advanced biometrics, and selected from the cream of the crop to succeed in that environment courtesy of Hunter and co.
Even with all these picks I would still expect the Leafs to trade down with regularity to get more picks, and maximize the value of simple picks by running them through the Leafs' development system and selling once we have solidly developed draft picks.
This is the Chicago/Detroit model financed by MLSE. We're going to redefine this concept.
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Forgot to include Shanahan and Lamoriello's KHL connections and the access we already have out there via guys like Federov (GM of Red Army)... where Zaitsev plays... Larionov (agent for many KHLers), Fetisov (board of directors for KHL.
The NHL and KHL are currently negotiating an official transfer agreement and compensation is a major part.
You can bet the Shanny and Lou are making strong "recommendations" that the compensation (cash of course) be as high as possible so that smaller market or budget teams are out of the running for major FA talent.
The NHL and KHL are currently negotiating an official transfer agreement and compensation is a major part.
You can bet the Shanny and Lou are making strong "recommendations" that the compensation (cash of course) be as high as possible so that smaller market or budget teams are out of the running for major FA talent.
They can find a JVR on the FA market and sign him to a $6-$8M deal on a two or three year deal, rather than keep JVR.
JVR has exceptionally high value because he is a 30+ goal scorer making $4.25AAV. To teams like CHI or LAK, that is a huge, huge benefit.
Leafs could even trade JVR and take a similarly elite goal-scorer in return, one whose cap hit is "normal" for that skill set.
That's why JVR has to go. There is immense value in his contract that is completely useless to the Leafs as they are rebuilding and can find JVRs at fair market value with ease.
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When you start penning in a KHL free agent that hasn't sign with us on the top pairing and you have 3 rookies, with Loov probably not having 2nd pairing potential, I'd say that is a train wreck waiting to happen actually.
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True, Hunwick should replaced one of the rookies. But I think Percy and Loov if they play well will play out the rest of season giving them some experience. We are not suppose to be good next year either, but yeah I agree with another veteran in there
For this off-season we might deal a pick or two but I don't think it'll likely be for a big name. It's more likely to be for a young depth player who's a cap casualty. Think names like 24 year old Andrew Shaw, 25 year old Brayden NcNabb, 24 year old Simon Despres.
However, in 17 or 18 we're lining ourselves up well to make a big trade or two like Buffalo did.
Hero
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Leafs motto is trade back for more picks, more than up.
You can own the rights of 100's of players in the CHL or Europe before having to sign them. Just sign 50 at a given time. Let them compete and the best will rise.
Draft smart, develop well and slowly build up.
You can own the rights of 100's of players in the CHL or Europe before having to sign them. Just sign 50 at a given time. Let them compete and the best will rise.
Draft smart, develop well and slowly build up.
That D would be a trainwreck.
The Polak trade proved once again that every deadline even depth Dmen bring in a big return.
We should be looking to bring in a 1 year guy we can trade off for even more assets.
It was only one draft with Hunter at the helm.
We could just as easily trade up this draft.
Im really hoping thats something we do this year. I wasn't impressed trading backwards right out of the 1st round. Yeah I get the whole "stocking up on picks" but there were some good players we passed on in the 1st.
LeafsNation75
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I would be surprised if the Leafs leave the 2016 draft with 12 drafted players since that's how many picks they have right now, however I would only trade their extra picks for the right players.
Menzinger
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I think Leafs management has learned from past mistakes of former Leafs managers as well as other teams that trading picks at the beginning of a rebuild is often a lousy idea.
The more chances you have at the draft the higher the likelihood one has at grabbing impact NHLers.
The more chances you have at the draft the higher the likelihood one has at grabbing impact NHLers.
Menzinger
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Unless you can trade up into the top 10, likely isn't worth it. You'd have better odds getting a good prospect with 2 2nds than a mid to late 1st.
