Will Leafs Loading Up Lead to Anything...?

[Razz]

It's pretty obvious and has been for quite some time that the Leafs are going to be packaging those picks to move up. There's no way they can hold that many prospects, the contract limit is a huge issue at that point. Good thing we have so many guys on expiring deals.

It's nice that Lou confirmed it today that you can have too many picks. Getting tired of people thinking we can just hoard picks and thinking that will somehow build a team. The Leafs are going to be busy on the draft floor this year. I'm personally hoping we either move up with the Pittsburgh pick or get a 3rd pick in the 1st round by packaging some 2nd's.

Either way, it's going to be a fun draft this year.

 

[BodaciousBeefBazooka]

It's pretty obvious and has been for quite some time that the Leafs are going to be packaging those picks to move up.

Agree. It's been totally blatant this is what they are exactly going to do. We must have the same crystal ball. Where did you get yours from?

 

[Stephen]

Trading up is fool's gold and largely a waste of assets. If you draft smart and capitalize on the hubris of 2/3rds of the GM's in the League, you can stay where you are or even trade back and end up with a similar or superior prospect.

The success of trading up is entirely dependent on who you're trading up for versus what you're giving up. Lou Lamoriello traded up in the 2003 draft to pick Zach Parise. The pick he held later in the first round was Marc Antoine Pouliot and the second rounder was Jean Francois Jacques. Quality beats quantity every time.

 

[Razz]

Agree. It's been totally blatant this is what they are exactly going to do. We must have the same crystal ball. Where did you get yours from?

It's cause we spend too much time on sites like this.

 

[Razz]

The success of trading up is entirely dependent on who you're trading up for versus what you're giving up. Lou Lamoriello traded up in the 2003 draft to pick Zach Parise. The pick he held later in the first round was Marc Antoine Pouliot and the second rounder was Jean Francois Jacques. Quality beats quantity every time.

Exactly. Now that the Leafs have tons of young players, they can start targeting higher end guys because they have so many picks to draft the project guys from the NCAA or Goalies, or whatever.

I'd much rather they package some of those 4ths and later to perhaps get a late birthday late bloomer like Nielsen or grab a late 1st from a team that traded for a rental and needs to play catch up at the draft. Or maybe pick up a good prospect from a team that can't fit a tweener in their lineup. Picks give options, very excited for the draft...

 

[Pi]

The success of trading up is entirely dependent on who you're trading up for versus what you're giving up. Lou Lamoriello traded up in the 2003 draft to pick Zach Parise. The pick he held later in the first round was Marc Antoine Pouliot and the second rounder was Jean Francois Jacques. Quality beats quantity every time.

To that point, if the Penguins fall out early in the playoffs, I think the Leafs are trading up as high as they can to get one of the high end D's. We don't want to be like the Oilers and for that we need to draft good skating defenseman along with top forwards.

 

[kihei]

Signing Stamkos would be the "O'Reilly" move. Except better, because they'd have wasted zero assets doing it.

...except for all that money and all that cap space for an unconscionable number of years

 

[Menzinger]

The success of trading up is entirely dependent on who you're trading up for versus what you're giving up. Lou Lamoriello traded up in the 2003 draft to pick Zach Parise. The pick he held later in the first round was Marc Antoine Pouliot and the second rounder was Jean Francois Jacques. Quality beats quantity every time.

The problem with the idea that quality > quantity every time is that te draft is nothing more than an educated guess - ie there's a reason why most draft picks bust.

It also depends on where one is in the draft - ie abstractly speaking id be pretty reluctant to trade out of the top 5, but pretty willing to trade back from say pick #20 if another team offered 2 2nds.

Though it admittedly comes down to how well you trust your head scout and how you think other teams value certain prospects. If you have pick #20 and your scout telling you that Jamie Benn 2.0 is going to go at pick #15 you better do your best to trade up.

 

[Menzinger]

It's pretty obvious and has been for quite some time that the Leafs are going to be packaging those picks to move up. There's no way they can hold that many prospects, the contract limit is a huge issue at that point. Good thing we have so many guys on expiring deals.

It's nice that Lou confirmed it today that you can have too many picks. Getting tired of people thinking we can just hoard picks and thinking that will somehow build a team. The Leafs are going to be busy on the draft floor this year. I'm personally hoping we either move up with the Pittsburgh pick or get a 3rd pick in the 1st round by packaging some 2nd's.

Either way, it's going to be a fun draft this year.

Or the Leafs will make their picks, and just shed under performing prospects like we saw with the Grabner deal.

That said, we may very well see the leafs try to move up.

 

[Club]

The Leafs won't get Stamkos. Let it go.

 

[studebaker17]

The problem with the idea that quality > quantity every time is that te draft is nothing more than an educated guess - ie there's a reason why most draft picks bust.

It also depends on where one is in the draft - ie abstractly speaking id be pretty reluctant to trade out of the top 5, but pretty willing to trade back from say pick #20 if another team offered 2 2nds.

Though it admittedly comes down to how well you trust your head scout and how you think other teams value certain prospects. If you have pick #20 and your scout telling you that Jamie Benn 2.0 is going to go at pick #15 you better do your best to trade up.

For sure. You could of said NJ would of been better off staying where they where and picked Corey Perry,Kesler or Richards not to mention the bunch of great players picked after that like Weber, Bergeron. This is where u really trust your scouts. Judging b last years draft Hunter doesn't seem to get to attached to a given player and realizes the odds of players making it are a gamble. You better feel pretty confident in yourself to spend assets to move up.

 

[Judas Tavares]

JVR-Stamkos-Marner
Vesey-Matthews-Komarov
Soshnikov-Nylander-Kapanen/Brown
Hyman-Gauthier-Leipsic/Johnson

Rielly-Trouba
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Percy/Loov-Hunwick

Andersen
Sparks

Kadri, Leivo, Pitts 1st, plethora of 2nds. All gone!

Not really though.... or really?

 

[dimi78]

There's a very high possibility that there will be a few trades of prospects & picks for established players to help out the kids they've identified as core potential moving forward.

This thing isn't going to be built solely through the draft. Moving up is an option just as much as trading picks outright. They've positioned themselves with options that's what having cap space is for and the currency of obtaining players with extra picks.

Everything depends on what's available.

 

[Faltorvo]

The Leafs won't get Stamkos. Let it go.

Time for you to retire hodgy

you have become out of touch and rather irrelevant.

Go out gracefully, such an icon deserves no less.

 

[Kiwi]

I'm all for getting stammer at the right price but it needs to be the right price 9.5mill 7 years no more than that
If we want to get high end d men I think our best bet is to draft them so if there is a d they like at around 10 they should move the Pitt pick up using picks and prospects we have plenty just not our first second there maybe someone very good still on the board there

 

[Mad Brills*]

I think they're going to trade a few picks for players at the draft. Like the palmieri trade

 

[Menzinger]

I think they're going to trade a few picks for players at the draft. Like the palmieri trade

Me too - I can see the Leafs making 1 or 2 trades for young players who they can slide into the lineup.