Why is Monahan on the 4th line?

[Mobiandi]

No doubt in my mind that Monahan is a central figure in that locker room. Reality is that he has to be traded this summer but management needs to determine if it would disrupt the room to move him by the deadline for an upgrade

 

[DFF]

No doubt in my mind that Monahan is a central figure in that locker room. Reality is that he has to be traded this summer but management needs to determine if it would disrupt the room to move him by the deadline for an upgrade

I don’t know. I ‘d think the room was turned over to a shit disturber like Tkachuk now

 

[TheHudlinator]

No doubt in my mind that Monahan is a central figure in that locker room. Reality is that he has to be traded this summer but management needs to determine if it would disrupt the room to move him by the deadline for an upgrade

Have to wait until Gaudreau is re-signed I would think. Monahan and Gaudreau are extremely good friends, Gaudreau has talked about the fact that they both hate flying and help each other deal with the anxiety.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Ship him out and use the cap space wisely

 

[Nanuuk]

On SN960 a Doctor has said that it takes about 12 months to fully recover from hip surgery. Monahan is into month eight and he skating of late is vastly improved.

Do the Flames take a chance on selling low in the off-season?

 

[Volica]

On SN960 a Doctor has said that it takes about 12 months to fully recover from hip surgery. Monahan is into month eight and he skating of late is vastly improved.

Do the Flames take a chance on selling low in the off-season?

I would 100%.

He's never going to be a 60+ point player anymore unless he's put in the position to succeed, while also being a detriment.
Example: I'm sure you could put: Gaudreau - Monahan - Tkachuk together on a line, and give him PP1 minutes, and he'd give you 55-60 points.
The thing is, I also think Gaudreau wouldn't be pacing 100+, Tkachuk 90+, Lindholm 80+.

I just get out of this contract. He's never going to be a big 5v5 producer at ES on the third line, and paying someone 6.35M for 10ES points just doesn't cut it for me.

 

[super6646]

I would 100%.

He's never going to be a 60+ point player anymore unless he's put in the position to succeed, while also being a detriment.
Example: I'm sure you could put: Gaudreau - Monahan - Tkachuk together on a line, and give him PP1 minutes, and he'd give you 55-60 points.
The thing is, I also think Gaudreau wouldn't be pacing 100+, Tkachuk 90+, Lindholm 80+.

I just get out of this contract. He's never going to be a big 5v5 producer at ES on the third line, and paying someone 6.35M for 10ES points just doesn't cut it for me.

The question is if somebody is willing to take on that contract That by no means is a guarantee.

 

[herashak]

There’s a lot of teams with cap space it seems, and a few teams should be willing to move at least a 3rd for Monahan if he’s solid in the playoffs

 

[Rubi]

I don't see Monahan being moved at the TDL. I just don't unless there is a better fwd coming back and I think the chances of that happening are somewhere between slim and none. Team chemistry means something this time of year and Monahan is still contributing.

 

[Fig]

Ship him out and use the cap space wisely

Monahan for a 6-7 million dollar rental might be interesting. Monahan for MAF would be extra salty as a stupid idea, but more realistically, I wonder if the Ducks would be open to something. With the Murray hiring, I'm assuming two pieces from the Ducks might be more viable. I'm also assuming the 1C will not come and we might potentially tank retool vs scorched earth.

2022 NHL Free Agents Tracker

ie: Rakell + Getzlaff or Getzlaff + Lindholm
(Might need some minor retention)

I'd be most interested in Getzlaff + Lindholm with a side game of attempting to keep Lindholm in the group of Swedes after the run. It would be a hefty price and a huge gamble, but also a bunch of options. But IMO, I think we could make it work.

Why Ducks do this: they keep Monahan, can flip at TDL, also get additional futures they can keep. Getzlaff can return to Ducks after this season and has history in Calgary, so might be open to the idea.
Why Flames do this: A big huzzah filling shoring up weaknesses with some extra quality reserve pieces for the run. The contracts expiring at the right time for internal extensions. LD log jam coming up.

Something like...

Getzlaff/Rackell + Lindholm for Monahan + Valimaki + ??
(3)/(3.8) + (5.3) = 8.3/9.1 vs (6.3) + (1.5) = 7.9 May need minor retention to meet cap/performance bonuses.



Gaudreau - Lindholm - Toffoli (1A offense)
Mangiapane - Backlund - Tkachuk (1B defense)
Lucic - Getzlaff - Coleman (2 responsible balanced)
Dube - Ruzika - Richardson (4 wrecker surpriser)
Lewis/Ritchie/Phillips

Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington/Lindholm - Tanev
Lindholm/Kylington/Zadorov - Gubranson
Kylington/Zadorov/Mackey

Markstrom
Vladar
D. Wolf
Arse~ni


The plan might be to just rent at first, but depending on the options, maybe there's some odd future where we keep Lindholm and ship out Hanifin or even keep all 3? Also option to flip a guy if we keep a guy we didn't expect to. We also clear Monahan's 6.375 for extensions, Zadorov and Gubranson clear, but we also walk into the ploffs with a ton of muscle/skill combo even if we don't have the best speed/skill combos like some of the other teams?


I'm literally thinking of ideas that might be more along the lines of plan C options (balance of cost/long term implications) that are still relatively respectable. They're plan C because there's definitely reasons to dislike the move vs other options, but it's a pretty strong options if the plan A and B options are not available/fall through and they aren't the worst alternative quality optoins out there (ie: a 3/4th pick for someone who doesn't play).

 

[Volica]

The question is if somebody is willing to take on that contract That by no means is a guarantee.

I think a team like Ottawa might be open at the draft.
They didn't really improve much this year, Monahan needs a fresh start, they have a bunch of space with nothing really to further sign.

They had three third round picks, and two seconds, they could probably use draft capital somewhere on their board this or next year to make a deal happen. I'd be happy to get a 3rd for him.

 

[Bounces R Way]

I think a team like Ottawa might be open at the draft.
They didn't really improve much this year, Monahan needs a fresh start, they have a bunch of space with nothing really to further sign.

They had three third round picks, and two seconds, they could probably use draft capital somewhere on their board this or next year to make a deal happen. I'd be happy to get a 3rd for him.

Ottawa has always been my feeling too. They could use a vet center that can score goals and he played his Junior career there. Cap is not an issue there.

Even though the Monahan problem has largely been mitigated by moving him down the lineup(FINALLY!!!!), unless Tre can get real creative this offseason I don't see many ways Mony is going to be on the opening roster next year.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

On SN960 a Doctor has said that it takes about 12 months to fully recover from hip surgery. Monahan is into month eight and he skating of late is vastly improved.

Do the Flames take a chance on selling low in the off-season?

They shouldn't but may not have a choice. There is only so much cap space to go around.

Not a trade deadline move. Centre depth is important, even if that player is only about 60% of what he once was.

 

[super6646]

I think a team like Ottawa might be open at the draft.
They didn't really improve much this year, Monahan needs a fresh start, they have a bunch of space with nothing really to further sign.

They had three third round picks, and two seconds, they could probably use draft capital somewhere on their board this or next year to make a deal happen. I'd be happy to get a 3rd for him.

They might. But they traded for Stepan a while back and that failed miserably. Idk if Dorian makes the same mistake again

They shouldn't but may not have a choice. There is only so much cap space to go around.

Not a trade deadline move. Centre depth is important, even if that player is only about 60% of what he once was.

He’s a little less than that. 9 ESPs in 49 games…

 

[Nanuuk]

Monny didn't look too shabby last night. His skating keeps improving and his 3rd line played very well. With improved skating there will be improved opportunities so hopefully he can start scoring.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

He’s a little less than that. 9 ESPs in 49 games…

That's a bit of hyperbole. But it's Monahan so not at all surprising.

Statistically, he's producing at about 60% of his career average.

 

[super6646]

That's a bit of hyperbole. But it's Monahan so not at all surprising.

Statistically, he's producing at about 60% of his career average.

Sure. If you want to look purely at points, that isn't wrong. In fact, it is actually closer to 61%

I don't think he is 60% of what he once was though when his ES production went from 1st line caliber in his prime to 4th line caliber, and the fact his PPG is skewed by his decline the last few seasons.

 

[Volica]

I don't see Monahan being moved at the TDL. I just don't unless there is a better fwd coming back and I think the chances of that happening are somewhere between slim and none. Team chemistry means something this time of year and Monahan is still contributing.

They won't move Monahan at the TDL.
It's a summer trade.

We have no idea how the chemistry in the room looks, because we're all outsiders, but if Monahan has a voice; it'd be a dick move to send him packing. I'd prefer him to be the 4th line centre or 3LW, with a real middle six centre there that can provide a bit more production 5 on 5.

It's shitty to say it, but Monahan is a powerplay merchant that just lost his stall to a more luxurious merchant.

 

[Mobiandi]

Was pretty disappointed to see Monahan glide away from Kaprizov after that blown call where he knocked Tanev into the boards without the puck

 

[Volica]

Was pretty disappointed to see Monahan glide away from Kaprizov after that blown call where he knocked Tanev into the boards without the puck

Dude got his ass beat by Nugent Hopkins a few years back. Never been a guy to be emotional about much, nor have the meat to back it up.

 

[Mazatt]

They won't move Monahan at the TDL.
It's a summer trade.

We have no idea how the chemistry in the room looks, because we're all outsiders, but if Monahan has a voice; it'd be a dick move to send him packing. I'd prefer him to be the 4th line centre or 3LW, with a real middle six centre there that can provide a bit more production 5 on 5.

It's shitty to say it, but Monahan is a powerplay merchant that just lost his stall to a more luxurious merchant.

I feel like the encapsulates everything that can be said on Monahan. His contract is prohibitive--you aren't moving him in-season. His role as a 3rd line centre is precipitous and he could realistically be used better to his skillset elsewhere (specifically on the wing for either side).

But most notable of all--he is an approximate powerplay specialist (in the sense he can retreive pucks and play the middle relatively well without hurting an elite group around him) and just like his spot as centre, that role is very much replaceable when you get someone like Toffoli who can play that same spot while providing positive production.

To me the big thing is the idea of replaceability. There isn't anything necessarily 'wrong' with Monahan now--there are qualms with his game to game speed, intensity with physicality, etc. that can be levied, but in some part they trail back to injuries. But for a 3rd line centre on a team that wants to go deep, and for a guy who was slotted in to the 1st PP unit, just being "alright" instead of wrong makes him inherently replaceable. That is--replaceable on ice and for a guy wearing the A, who has essentially killed his body for this team, trying to move him out at the peak of the teams success is just unpalatable from a human standpoint and that has to be considered.

He's an alright, near replacement level guy but for reasons outside of the rink you just can't move him until the offseason

 

[Mobiandi]

Dude got his ass beat by Nugent Hopkins a few years back. Never been a guy to be emotional about much, nor have the meat to back it up.

Monahan's been in the organization for almost a decade. Once you're in the league for that long, you don't really pick up new habits. And I don't expect Monahan to start throwing down with his injury proneness.

But you'd think the Sutter influence would at least push him to get in Kaprizov's face and give him a few words. With a strong player and leader like Tanev, you got to have his back if teams take liberties with him... especially if you're also wearing an A too.

At least Kylington stepped in I guess