Why is it hard for some of us to accept that the Penguins are rebuilding?

[ChaosAgent]

Hoarding assets doesn't make sense until you completely bottom out. That time will come very soon.

Sorry, you're cut off. If I had any authority. You're inebriated.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I guarantee you this team wouldn’t look half as bad if we first fired the coach and got rid of any player we could reasonably fill from within. Hell, we might even have been in the playoffs!

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I tend to agree but only because I'm super cynical about the team's relationship with Sullivan. If they had an ounce of sense... well... they would have fired him years ago. But if they had an ounce of sense starting NOW they'd suck ass the rest of this year and then ACTUALLY TRY next season for what could be a real last stab at a playoff berth before the team likely goes dark for a while.

That's my thing... they aren't trying to do this thing right. I'd be way more ready to join you guys and start rattling off obituaries for Sid/G's careers had they done so.

It's wild how dysfunctional and incompetent this franchise has been lately. That, coupled with their immense arrogance, and you've got yourself a team plummeting down the ranks of relevance. Pretty easy to see why the team's in this spot.

Holy shit, how is Reirden still employed? I can see the pathway to rationalizing Sullivan because of his resume and contract, though I'd have fired him in 2020, but Reirden? C'maaaaaaaaaahn, man.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I tend to agree but only because I'm super cynical about the team's relationship with Sullivan. If they had an ounce of sense... well... they would have fired him years ago. But if they had an ounce of sense starting NOW they'd suck ass the rest of this year and then ACTUALLY TRY next season for what could be a real last stab at a playoff berth before the team likely goes dark for a while.

That's my thing... they aren't trying to do this thing right. I'd be way more ready to join you guys and start rattling off obituaries for Sid/G's careers had they done so.

They could stop the obituaries by flourishing with another organization in their last couple of years. But here, yes. They'll hit some point milestones, play decent, but lose a lot.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I guarantee you this team wouldn’t look half as bad if we first fired the coach and got rid of any player we could reasonably fill from within. Hell, we might even have been in the playoffs!

I think one of the first things people would be shocked by (though they shouldn't) if a new staff took over is how useful some of the farmhands could be. The narrative has been that most of those guys aren't even good enough to fill a Noel Acciari slot. I absolutely disagree.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think one of the first things people would be shocked by (though they shouldn't) if a new staff took over is how useful some of the farmhands could be. The narrative has been that most of those guys aren't even good enough to fill a Noel Acciari slot. I absolutely disagree.

I think people would be shocked how good Noel Acciari is too.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Whether they wanna tank or they wanna keep up this masquerade of being relevant, they should have most of their bottom-6 filled by WBS dudes tbh. I don't even really give a damn about any of 'em, but they're cheap and they genuinely cannot be as bad as the likes of Carter, Harkins, etc.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I think people would be shocked how good Noel Acciari is too.

True. I just picked a name out of the hat. You know what I mean.

With few exceptions none of these guys should be doing this badly. People have been saying it lately... this is Mike Johnston hockey. Except somehow dumber.

 

[Ryder71]

I guarantee you this team wouldn’t look half as bad if we first fired the coach and got rid of any player we could reasonably fill from within. Hell, we might even have been in the playoffs!

Absolutely not, you're completely dismissing the age of these players. You see the names on the back of the jersey and think that these immortals are as they were 10 years ago. That's simply not the case. You could bring in the greatest coach ever and it wouldn't change this teams trajectory.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

They should bring back Phil just to drive Sullivan insane and make him quit. Phil's f***ing cooked, about ten times over, but there's your avenue to getting out of Sully's deal.

 

[Ryder71]

Crosby has two points in his last eight games. Really starting to fall off a cliff there. SJ comes to town though he'll get get a temp reprieve and put up a couple points. But Don't be fooled.

 

[SEALBound]

I would think that if by Dec next year it looks like we are handing SJS a top 5 pick that Dubas fires Sullivan (if he's still here) in a last ditch effort to NOT send them a lottery pick.

 

[eXile3]

IMO, it's not that he can't accept it, it's that he literally can't rebuild right now. He was hired to give Sid one more shot and Sully was part of the process. He has bosses at FSG who won't let him tear it down.

I don’t disagree.

 

[Ryder71]

I would think that if by Dec next year it looks like we are handing SJS a top 5 pick that Dubas fires Sullivan (if he's still here) in a last ditch effort to NOT send them a lottery pick.

We should get a top 8-10 pick this season, gotta make it count. Then Augment the team in free agency. I agree though, you don't wanna be in the lottery next year, but then if that's the case the Dinosaurs need to be phased out. If they play significant roles next season, and they're a year older with minimal free agency gains, we're screwed!

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I guarantee you this team wouldn’t look half as bad if we first fired the coach and got rid of any player we could reasonably fill from within. Hell, we might even have been in the playoffs!

And this is precisely why it's pointless to have discussions about who we should sign as a free agent or who we should trade for or who sucks on the current roster and who doesn't. As long as they refuse to fire Sullivan, NONE OF THAT MATTERS.

I know it's an over-used cliche, but this really is a "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic" situation. Unless you avoid that iceberg (ie. fire Sullivan) it literally does not matter where you put the deck chairs or how good of a quality the deck chairs are. You're going to crash and burn regardless.

 

[Rudy Russo]

Leaf fan here. I just wanted to thank the Penguin management for taking the Boy Genius, Dubas, off our hands.

You also forgot to say "I come in peace" to start your sentence.

 

[Ryder71]

You also forgot to say "I come in peace" to start your sentence.

For a fan base that follows a team hasn't won a Cup since the American civil war, kinda seems outta place for them to gloat about anything.

 

[PensPlz]

For a ban base that follows a team hasn't won a Cup since the American civil war, kinda seems outta place for them to gloat about anything.

According to AI, this was the last Leaf's player to win a cup.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

According to AI, this was the last Leaf's player to win a cup.

Hey... that kinda looks like a clown.

Is that Darcy Tucker?!?

 

[SEALBound]

Leaf fan here. I just wanted to thank the Penguin management for taking the Boy Genius, Dubas, off our hands.

How's Klingberg, Domi, and Bertuzzi doing? What about Samsonov and Reeves?

LOL, GTFO.

 

[wgknestrick]

Just have to wait for Jagr to buy the team and rebuild it in 2-3 years. Rinse. Repeat.

 

[Ryder71]

According to AI, this was the last Leaf's player to win a cup.

And they were all out to win back then IF I'm remembering correctly.

 

[wgknestrick]

According to AI, this was the last Leaf's player to win a cup.

There is a bit of Phil Kessel in there, so might be accurate.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Absolutely not, you're completely dismissing the age of these players. You see the names on the back of the jersey and think that these immortals are as they were 10 years ago. That's simply not the case. You could bring in the greatest coach ever and it wouldn't change this teams trajectory.

lol

Go back to sleep, gramps. We’ll wake you when the coroner comes.

 

[Ryder71]

lol

Go back to sleep, gramps. We’ll wake you when the coroner comes.

Surely an individual of your intellect and stature could come up with something far more profound as a comeback than that!

You disappoint me.