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Hmmm..that link shows attendance at 22,000+ during the Cup finals. How is 19,500 a sell-out? The link you provided makes it look like doc5hole was correct.Sotnos said:
Hmmm..that link shows attendance at 22,000+ during the Cup finals. How is 19,500 a sell-out? The link you provided makes it look like doc5hole was correct.Sotnos said:
Weary said:Hmmm..that link shows attendance at 22,000+ during the Cup finals. How is 19,500 a sell-out? The link you provided makes it look like doc5hole was correct.
The Iconoclast said:What real estate boom in downtown?
bleedgreen said:i dont think any team is that dire of straights. for every arguement you make for a team being weak, someone with knowledge of that team can give you 5 why they are strong. ive always wondered if florida should have 2 teams - on a philisophical angle, not to pick on either team. same arguement could go for CA i suppose. i dont want the ducks to go anywhere, but i wouldnt mind a name change (i know, its a beat up horse already). i wouldnt be surprised to see in the end a team or two not making it even with the new cba - but i bet its a team or two we wouldnt expect. you know the league would just move them - so its an issue that will never truly be settled. always fun to speculate i suppose.
Weary said:Hmmm..that link shows attendance at 22,000+ during the Cup finals. How is 19,500 a sell-out? The link you provided makes it look like doc5hole was correct.
Hockeyfan02 said:I don't think it's necessarily a boom like Rwilson puts it, but there have been some new apartment complexes going up near the downtown area. I know of one complex going up near a family friend's restaurant which is a few minutes from the arena. Trump is going to be building an expensive apartment building in the area some time in the near future. I don't know if anything else will be going up around the new Trump apartments when they are being built.
Boltsfan2029 said:Our total playoff attendance was 273,196, for an average of 21,015. How many teams averaged better? Anyone know?
I don't think that would necissarily be the case. When we got the Avs there were predictions about how it would ruin college hockey here, ten years later our programs have done nothing, but benifit from their presence. If it were a minor league team the probl;em would be more pronounced.MikeS said:I don't see any franchises folding, but relocation of one or two likely. Portland, Oregon seems ready, and there have been articles in the paper about what would happen to the US division of the Western Hockey League where the Portland Winterhawks are a fixture.
Boltsfan2029 said:I know it is a bitter pill to swallow for some, but the Lightning have very good attendance. We are ranked 12th in the league right now for regular season attendance (wow, better than lots of teams where it snows!! and three from Canada ), which I would think would be more of a guideline than playoff attendance.
Ismellofhockey said:Maybe those figures are bloated maybe they aren't, I know that sometimes the Sens would announce 17000 people and you'd look around the arena and see a lot of empty and wonder if that number was right.
Ismellofhockey said:Maybe those figures are bloated maybe they aren't, I know that sometimes the Sens would announce 17000 people and you'd look around the arena and see a lot of empty and wonder if that number was right.
I only get to see TB games against Montreal and Ottawa and I swear that they announce 14000 sometimes and it looks like there are maybe 7000-9000 people. Maybe it's different against teams TB has a bigger rivalry with, maybe season ticket holders take nights off when Ottawa and Montreal come to play but it certainly looks like TB inflates their numbers.
Not doubting TB's ability to draw fans, they've done so enough in the past, just doubting the actual average they announce.
rwilson99 said:It's not apartments. It's condos, and the first projects are going up in the Channelside District.
http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t9048.html
doc5hole said:The Lighting failed to sell out a playoff game until the Conf. final, then they drew 30K to their celebration. Maybe they should be on this list, too.
Weary said:Hmmm..that link shows attendance at 22,000+ during the Cup finals. How is 19,500 a sell-out? The link you provided makes it look like doc5hole was correct.
Boltsfan2029 said:Standing room only, for one thing. Those tickets, BTW, went for $150 each for the conference finals and $200 in the finals and sold out in less than 5 minutes or so for each game.
Also, there are a huge number of suites which can hold more people than the number of chairs (they circle the arena on 2 levels). There is the XO club which also houses far more bodies that the number of actual seats.
Be that as it may, attendance for games 2 and 5 of the first round was 19,982 and 20,927, respectively. The notion we did not sell out until the Conference Finals is simply incorrect.
I know it is a bitter pill to swallow for some, but the Lightning have very good attendance. We are ranked 12th in the league right now for regular season attendance (wow, better than lots of teams where it snows!! and three from Canada ), which I would think would be more of a guideline than playoff attendance.
PDO said:I'll never understand the hate for the Bolts - exciting team to watch that was supported better than many teams in the league.
If I had to pick SIX teams to say goodbye too..
Anahiem, Dallas, Carolina, Nashville, Washington, Buffalo
Anahiem and Buffalo have too many teams geographically close to each other and have faced money problems. Dallas, Nashville and Carolina simply don't care and Washington is a horrible sports city excluding the Red Skins.
The Iconoclast said:Great support makes tickets scarce and that was never the case in Tampa, even during the past playoffs. When you can walk up to the ticket office 20 minutes before a game and have your pick of sections you would like to sit in that isn't as good as you like.
And that is without bringing in the multiple promotions they had going on to get butts in seats, which even ran durng the playoffs.
The Iconoclast said:Dallas? WTF? You wouldn't be targeting them because they have traditionally taken the Oilers out would you? You are aware that the Stars have outdrawn the Oilers consisently since their arrival in Dallas? Why would Dallas be earmarked for contraction?
The Iconoclast said:Okay, I am a fan of the Lightning, primarily because I lived in Tampa and knew the coaches and a few of the players. I will also say that Tampa is pretty safe for the time being, but I will say that a realist would acknowledge the facts that face the Lightning. The Lightning are NOT the first pick in town for spending money on and corporate support is close to nill (way behind Bucs football, Yankees baseball, golf, etc.). The local economy is not strong and will not see an increase in corporate support any time soon either. Florida just doesn't have the economy to sustain a long term competitive NHL team (under the old system) and allow for the salary structure needed to compete with the big spenders.
I'll also speak on my personal experience in Tampa and with going to a hockey game. I NEVER had a problem getting tickets to any game in Tampa, so when someone says that they had great support, that just ain't true. Great support makes tickets scarce and that was never the case in Tampa, even during the past playoffs. When you can walk up to the ticket office 20 minutes before a game and have your pick of sections you would like to sit in that isn't as good as you like. And that is without bringing in the multiple promotions they had going on to get butts in seats, which even ran durng the playoffs. I really like Tampa and the Bolts organization, but I also recognize when a team is a second class citizen in their own town and never will be anything but that, no matter how much they win. I hope they get an economic system that will make it possible for a team to be competitive long term in bay area, but at this point I think it is a 50/50 proposition and puts Tampa near the top third for teams not making it if push comes to shove. I wouldn't be concerned for the time being, but as soon as another series of lean years comes along it could be sketchy.
katodelder said:Hopefully no team gets contracted and relocation happens only if absolutely necessary.
If I had guess which six teams Eklund is referring to (that would threaten the PA by jointly announcing they would fold should the lockout extend into 05-06):
2) Anaheim
McDonald19 said:If Disney still owned them yeah, but why would the Orange County Billionaire buy a team and fold them a couple months later?