Prospect Info: Way Too Early Devils-Centric Mock Draft For February

[Puckclektr]

Is this a joke? Sorry, I really can't tell sometimes.

No. Although the majority had Drysdale as the #1 defenseman in the draft many had Chauka ahead of him and even Lleyton Moore ahead of him. I liked Moore the best at the time and many of the Scouts I talked to did as well. It wasn’t clear cut. They went 4-7-12 in the draft.

 

[Puckclektr]

Is this a joke? Sorry, I really can't tell sometimes.

And that Marlies minor midget team was stacked but lost in the OHL cup final to Chaykas Canadians. YSE was as well and their two top centers went #1-2 in the draft. The same way Don Mills was stacked last year.

 

[StevenToddIves]

peep my work in the mock draft board for Tribal's Mock. Curious how I'm doing per your perspective...

Can you post a link? I'm not sure where to look for it.

 

[Blackjack]

Can you post a link? I'm not sure where to look for it.

It's here: Tribal Phoenix 2020 NHL Mock Draft - DRAFT THREAD

I can never find the mock draft board either. It's in the Fantasy Hockey section, which my eyes just gloss over.

 

[Blackjack]

No. Although the majority had Drysdale as the #1 defenseman in the draft many had Chauka ahead of him and even Lleyton Moore ahead of him. I liked Moore the best at the time and many of the Scouts I talked to did as well. It wasn’t clear cut. They went 4-7-12 in the draft.

And that Marlies minor midget team was stacked but lost in the OHL cup final to Chaykas Canadians. YSE was as well and their two top centers went #1-2 in the draft. The same way Don Mills was stacked last year.

Thanks. This is not mean to be snide, but why would we care where he was ranked on his minor midget team? That was two years ago?

 

[StevenToddIves]

Thanks. This is not mean to be snide, but why would we care where he was ranked on his minor midget team? That was two years ago?

I will say that I'm the opposite of Drysdale apparently, in that I was very good at hockey as a 15 year old but I suck now.

 

[StevenToddIves]

peep my work in the mock draft board for Tribal's Mock. Curious how I'm doing per your perspective...

Notes:
1)You did incredibly well.

2)Some of the other dudes taking part in this... were they on acid at the time? Some caustic mix of LSD and PCP is the only explanation I could imagine for Connor Zary at #6 or Martin Chromiak at #20 with Jack Quinn and Dylan Holloway on the board.

 

[Puckclektr]

Thanks. This is not mean to be snide, but why would we care where he was ranked on his minor midget team? That was two years ago?

It was a comment more so about him being overrated in my part. It is a deep draft but I don’t see him being that top defenseman. It was more so about people thinking he is hands down above other defenseman. I don’t see it personally. I like him and I’d like him in NJ but I was just pointing out that just two years ago many people thought he wasn’t even the best defenseman on his own minor hockey team. He’s going to be really good defenseman and the top D in this draft IMO but he isn’t a prospect at the level of a pietrangelo Ekblad, Dahlin, Heiskanen, Hughes, makar or Jones.
It is a deep forward crop and a week defensive crop and he may have #1 potential but I see him as a Merkley 2.0.
I could be wrong.

 

[StevenToddIves]

It was a comment more so about him being overrated in my part. It is a deep draft but I don’t see him being that top defenseman. It was more so about people thinking he is hands down above other defenseman. I don’t see it personally. I like him and I’d like him in NJ but I was just pointing out that just two years ago many people thought he wasn’t even the best defenseman on his own minor hockey team. He’s going to be really good defenseman and the top D in this draft IMO but he isn’t a prospect at the level of a pietrangelo Ekblad, Dahlin, Heiskanen, Hughes, makar or Jones.
It is a deep forward crop and a week defensive crop and he may have #1 potential but I see him as a Merkley 2.0.
I could be wrong.

Drysdale is extremely comparable to Makar in his skating, puck-skills, shooting and offensive instincts/style. He's also very solid defensively. I'd be curious concerning your skepticism about him, which is to ask what exactly do you see as a possible detriment to Drysdale's success at an NHL level?

 

[Puckclektr]

Drysdale is extremely comparable to Makar in his skating, puck-skills, shooting and offensive instincts/style. He's also very solid defensively. I'd be curious concerning your skepticism about him, which is to ask what exactly do you see as a possible detriment to Drysdale's success at an NHL level?

I do think he is comparable to Makar although I think Makar is better. He doesn’t really have that many holes in his game aside maybe from being physical and occasionally out of position which can be taught but many NHlers still can’t figure that out. My problem is the inconsistency in his game. I’ll admit. I have only seen him 3 times in the OHL and once he was the best player in the ice by far and twice he didn’t even show up. He gave up on the play quite often. Reminds me of Sean Day. That was one thing I noticed about him in minor midget and I saw him play probably 12-15 times. There had been too many games where he was relied on and didn’t show up and was beaten out of pure laziness and even Wong was more reliable on that team Many games. I think Wong was a seventh rounder in the O. That obviously is an issue and I’m sure is something that he needs to work on at the NHL level. If he is consistent he can be an elite defenseman but I personally just don’t see it.
On a side note. I have seen many games where McDavid gave up quite easy as a kid and OHLer.
Many games where Tavares was invisible but ended up with 5 points.
I also thought Perfetti was over rated and still think Vierling is gonna be selke contender on a regular basis.
The odds are is that I am wrong about Drysdale. But there have been many scouts wrong about other defensemen in the past while others have been right. Juolevi or even the majority of people thought Columbus was crazy for passing on Pulijarvi for Dubois.
You never know.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

What the hell does what he was several years ago have anything to do with what he is now and what he may be in a few years? Like what even???? Maybe we shouldn't have drafted Hughes cuz I'm sure he was like 5 ft tall and 100 pounds then...(i don't actually know though lol).

 

[StevenToddIves]

I do think he is comparable to Makar although I think Makar is better. He doesn’t really have that many holes in his game aside maybe from being physical and occasionally out of position which can be taught but many NHlers still can’t figure that out. My problem is the inconsistency in his game. I’ll admit. I have only seen him 3 times in the OHL and once he was the best player in the ice by far and twice he didn’t even show up. He gave up on the play quite often. Reminds me of Sean Day. That was one thing I noticed about him in minor midget and I saw him play probably 12-15 times. There had been too many games where he was relied on and didn’t show up and was beaten out of pure laziness and even Wong was more reliable on that team Many games. I think Wong was a seventh rounder in the O. That obviously is an issue and I’m sure is something that he needs to work on at the NHL level. If he is consistent he can be an elite defenseman but I personally just don’t see it.
On a side note. I have seen many games where McDavid gave up quite easy as a kid and OHLer.
Many games where Tavares was invisible but ended up with 5 points.
I also thought Perfetti was over rated and still think Vierling is gonna be selke contender on a regular basis.
The odds are is that I am wrong about Drysdale. But there have been many scouts wrong about other defensemen in the past while others have been right. Juolevi or even the majority of people thought Columbus was crazy for passing on Pulijarvi for Dubois.
You never know.

I'm not going to debate because there's just too much. My first reaction would be to ask how is a player that gets 5 points in a game "invisible"? It forces me to question the criteria used to judge a player's visibility. My advice would be to watch more Drysdale. He's got as much in common with Sean Day as I have in common with Celine Dion.

 

[Ripshot 43]

I'm not going to debate because there's just too much. My first reaction would be to ask how is a player that gets 5 points in a game "invisible"? It forces me to question the criteria used to judge a player's visibility. My advice would be to watch more Drysdale. He's got as much in common with Sean Day as I have in common with Celine Dion.

Ive told you before and I will tell you again, you severely underrate your angelic voice.

 

[My3Sons]

I'm not going to debate because there's just too much. My first reaction would be to ask how is a player that gets 5 points in a game "invisible"? It forces me to question the criteria used to judge a player's visibility. My advice would be to watch more Drysdale. He's got as much in common with Sean Day as I have in common with Celine Dion.

I caught your act in Vegas and it was good but why did you marry that much older guy?

 

[Puckclektr]

I'm not going to debate because there's just too much. My first reaction would be to ask how is a player that gets 5 points in a game "invisible"? It forces me to question the criteria used to judge a player's visibility. My advice would be to watch more Drysdale. He's got as much in common with Sean Day as I have in common with Celine Dion.

I meant Sean days laziness. I’ve watched Drysdale play live about 20 times.
As for John Tavares. That has been said about him numerous times in the OHL.

 

[Puckclektr]

What the hell does what he was several years ago have anything to do with what he is now and what he may be in a few years? Like what even???? Maybe we shouldn't have drafted Hughes cuz I'm sure he was like 5 ft tall and 100 pounds then...(i don't actually know though lol).

Several years ago. I’ve seen him three times this year. And I have seen him enough to notice the laziness.
Jack Hughes on the other hand when I watched him at 15 was not lazy and showed up every game.

 

[Puckclektr]

I'm not going to debate because there's just too much. My first reaction would be to ask how is a player that gets 5 points in a game "invisible"? It forces me to question the criteria used to judge a player's visibility. My advice would be to watch more Drysdale. He's got as much in common with Sean Day as I have in common with Celine Dion.

And I wasn’t looking for a debate. I’m giving an opinion. As someone who talks prospects and has even said to me after one of my comments that “you look forward to posts from me” you seem to get pretty upset and aggressive because I disagree with you. I said that he had inconsistent games where he didn’t show up similar to Sean Day. Sean day didn’t play well becuse of frustration in my opinion and it took him off of his game. And I think a lot of that was the coaching in mississauga . I compared Drysdale to Makar although not as good. And I have probably seen Drysdale quite a bit more than you have. He can be a star but if he continues to play without heart he isn’t going anywhere.

 

[glenwo2]

And I wasn’t looking for a debate. I’m giving an opinion. As someone who talks prospects and has even said to me after one of my comments that “you look forward to posts from me” you seem to get pretty upset and aggressive because I disagree with you. I said that he had inconsistent games where he didn’t show up similar to Sean Day. Sean day didn’t play well becuse of frustration in my opinion and it took him off of his game. And I think a lot of that was the coaching in mississauga . I compared Drysdale to Makar although not as good. And I have probably seen Drysdale quite a bit more than you have. He can be a star but if he continues to play without heart he isn’t going anywhere.

See...now this is just Personal Opinion 'cause you don't know what goes on in a Hockey Player's mind.

There are many here who once said that Pavel Zacha played without "heart".


I think you may be mistaking EFFORT for "heart".

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

I don't have an issue with anyone's opinions...but when you bring up stuff like "he wasn't even the best defenseman on his minor midget team"...yea. It's not really relevant at all.

 

[Puckclektr]

See...now this is just Personal Opinion 'cause you don't know what goes on in a Hockey Player's mind.

There are many here who once said that Pavel Zacha played without "heart".


I think you may be mistaking EFFORT for "heart".

Possibly. If you want to use effort then that’s fine as well.

 

[Puckclektr]

I don't have an issue with anyone's opinions...but when you bring up stuff like "he wasn't even the best defenseman on his minor midget team"...yea. It's not really relevant at all.

That is an opinion and with the scouts I talked to many of them felt the same way. I also have seen that team play probably 12-15 times. Like I said the majority had Drysdale but I thought Lleyton Moore was better and that was talked about often at the local arena. You do know that Drysdale went fourth overall and the same defenseman I am referring to went 12th as the third best defenseman taken. Drysdale wasn’t even the first person taken from his minor hockey team in that draft.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

That is an opinion and with the scouts I talked to many of them felt the same way. I also have seen that team play probably 12-15 times. Like I said the majority had Drysdale but I thought Lleyton Moore was better and that was talked about often at the local arena. You do know that Drysdale went fourth overall and the same defenseman I am referring to went 12th as the third best defenseman taken. Drysdale wasn’t even the first person taken from his minor hockey team in that draft.

I'm not sure what that has anything to do with their potential.

 

[glenwo2]

Possibly. If you want to use effort then that’s fine as well.

You should 'cause that makes more sense.

I haven't seen Drysdale at all so I'm not going to defend nor criticize the player but I think he does show effort but maybe it just doesn't seem that way to the naked eye? I don't know.

 

[Puckclektr]

I'm not sure what that has anything to do with their potential.

Never said it did. One person essentially said he was overrated. I stated that he wasn’t even the best on his minor midget team.

 

[Puckclektr]

You should 'cause that makes more sense.

I haven't seen Drysdale at all so I'm not going to defend nor criticize the player but I think he does show effort but maybe it just doesn't seem that way to the naked eye? I don't know.

I’ve most likely seen the kid play more than anyone on here. And have seen it first hand. Seen the same with Ho sang as well. All the potential. No effort.