Confirmed with Link: [VAN/CAR] Zac Dalpe and Jeremy Welsh for Kellan Tochkin and 4th

[David71]

guess horvat/shinkaruk will get nine game stint and returned back to juniors. so van's centers are kesler/santorelli/hank/dalpe/richardson.

 

[David71]

There has to be something else going on here. Gillis has made some mistakes as GM of the Canucks but he's not dumb enough to spend a 4th on a player he could immediately lose on waivers.

maybe getting another defenseman? hence the open contract slot by trading tockhin?

 

[JerkChicken]

where did you get that info?

Bob McKenzie tweeted about Dalpe's brother is playing for Penticton in the BCHL... so I looked him up and saw that his brother tweeted this:

Ben Dalpe ‏@Bdalps Wow pretty crazy news, brother traded to his childhood team the Vancouver Canucks!!!


Also, one my my work colleagues covers the WHL/OHL and he knows Dalpe. He told me the same thing.

 

[bossram]

I like this trade. Dalpe used to be a fairly highly regarded prospect. Welsh was a high-profile college UFA signing. Both are at least of call-up calibre. We ditch Tochkin who was a waste of a contract anyway.

A 4th for two guys who might be able to contribute to the NHL roster and will at least help Utica isn't bad.

I think Dalpe can play at the NHL level. This trade might signify that Shinkaruk and Horvat definitely aren't staying past the 9 games.

 

[Fa Ci La]

There has to be something else going on here. Gillis has made some mistakes as GM of the Canucks but he's not dumb enough to spend a 4th on a player he could immediately lose on waivers.

I mean, it just seems to me he'll be given a shot at sticking with the team, and I guess they think he's good enough to do that

 

[MS]

There has to be something else going on here. Gillis has made some mistakes as GM of the Canucks but he's not dumb enough to spend a 4th on a player he could immediately lose on waivers.

He's clearly staying on the NHL team.

 

[Free Edler]

About 15-20% of sticking as an NHL regular. About 8-10% as a top-6/top-4 player.

FWIW, looking at the history of this team's drafting since Gillis took over, not one of the players he's picked in the fourth round have become NHL regulars. Going a little further, the only player picked in the fourth round or later by Gillis since '08 who has even a remote chance of being an NHL regular is Frank Corrado.

So I don't really have an issue with trading a late 4th to Carolina for a couple warm bodies who can at least play at the AHL level. Plus it dumped the dead contract spot of Tochkin, who was a crap signing anyway.

 

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Hm, yeah, might be more like 12-15% hang around the NHL, 6-8% core players.

From my count, there has been about 30 players drafted in the 4th round between 2000 and 2008 that you could consider NHLers. That's 1 in 9 so I think you're pretty accurate.

 

[mrbitterguy]

so curious, would trading tochkin and a 4th for colborne from toronto have been a better return than dalpe and welsh? pretty sure toronto wouldn't have done that given the bad blood and how much higher calgary is expected to draft compared to vancouver, but still, wouldn't colborne have been a better trade target?

 

[BrandonL]

Not sure why some of you guys are so skeptical, the Canucks East Coast professional scouts have a pretty good track record over the past couple of years

 

[MS]

Interesting tidbit is that Welsh is a former junior teammate of Kellan Lain with the Oakville Blades from 2007-09.

 

[NuxFan09]

maybe getting another defenseman? hence the open contract slot by trading tockhin?

What open contract slot? The Canucks received Welsh along with Dalpe. So actually, they fill another contract slot with this trade.

 

[Canucker]

Unsure about this trade, I was liking Santorelli at center. Does this move him or Richardson to the wing? Odd trade.

 

[Wisp]

This confuses me. He has to be a player for us, right? Not the Comets?

 

[VeteranNetPresence]

watch him not make the team, get put on waivers and then claimed. 4th round pick -> wasted

 

[CanucksOo]

Unsure about this trade, I was liking Santorelli at center. Does this move him or Richardson to the wing? Odd trade.

I'm guessing this moves Richardson to the wing, which I think is the position better suited for him anyway.

 

[NuxFan09]

He's clearly staying on the NHL team.

Well yeah, but that doesn't seem very Gillis-like either. Given the risk of losing him on waivers, Dalpe is basically being given a spot here. I realize he's a good prospect so the idea of him sticking in the NHL isn't so farfetched, but it just seems a bit odd...

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

Bob McKenzie tweeted about Dalpe's brother is playing for Penticton in the BCHL... so I looked him up and saw that his brother tweeted this:

Ben Dalpe ‏@Bdalps Wow pretty crazy news, brother traded to his childhood team the Vancouver Canucks!!!


Also, one my my work colleagues covers the WHL/OHL and he knows Dalpe. He told me the same thing.

Canucks implementing the "right of return".

Come home nuck fans wherever you may be.

 

[Hansen]

If the Canucks are his childhood team then it feels like he might be motivated to give it 110%.

Some Carolina fans were talking about him being talented but not being able to piece it together at the NHL level. This motivation might be just what he needs.

 

[MS]

Well yeah, but that doesn't seem very Gillis-like either. Given the risk of losing him on waivers, Dalpe is basically being given a spot here. I realize he's a good prospect so the idea of him sticking in the NHL isn't so farfetched, but it just seems a bit odd...

Same thing we did with Weise, which is one of Gillis' few good moves over the past couple years.

 

[Love]

Unsure about this trade, I was liking Santorelli at center. Does this move him or Richardson to the wing? Odd trade.

I believe Dalpe can play wing. TSN has him listed as W/C: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=6662

 

[Addison Rae]

I'm guessing this moves Richardson to the wing, which I think is the position better suited for him anyway.

Agreed. I really hope Dalpe is our 3rd line centre though. For the first 9 games

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Hansen
Booth - Santorelli - Shinkaruk
Richardson - Dalpe - Weise

Don't see where Horvat fits in.

 

[ephmrl]

If the Canucks are his childhood team then it feels like he might be motivated to give it 110%.

Some Carolina fans were talking about him being talented but not being able to piece it together at the NHL level. This motivation might be just what he needs.

no better motivation than having torts as your coach.

 

[Love]

A couple of Dalpe highlights:

Nice shot here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSIUuCO43Hw


Great cut to the net: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyMRS3PHaHI

 

[ephmrl]

Agreed. I really hope Dalpe is our 3rd line centre though. For the first 9 games

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Hansen
Booth - Santorelli - Shinkaruk
Richardson - Dalpe - Weise

Don't see where Horvat fits in.

Maybe tortorella doesn't like weise?