Unexpected Disappointing Seasons From Star Players...

[GlitchMarner]

How about Fedorov's first season in ANA? He scored 65 points in 80 games for the Ducks in 2003-2004 after an 83 point season with DET in 2002-2003.

Really, he never recovered from that, either. I'm sure ANA expected more from him.


Then of course there's the Messier debacle in Vancouver...


He went from 36 goals, 84 points and a +12 rating in 71 games with the Rangers in '97 to 22 goals, 60 points and a -10 rating in his first season with the Canucks.

I remember seeing a fan sign that said something along the lines of, "hey, Mark, betcha can't score just one," which poked fun at his Lays chips commercials when he played for VAN.

 

[Terry Yake]

How about Fedorov's first season in ANA? He scored 65 points in 80 games for the Ducks in 2003-2004 after an 83 point season with DET in 2002-2003.

Really, he never recovered from that, either. I'm sure ANA expected more from him.

yeah that was the beginning of his decline

although he did serve some purpose for the ducks in netting them beauchemin who was a key part of the '07 cup team playing alongside niedermayer

 

[mrhockey193195]

Regarding Sakic, I always thought his 97-98 season was more of an outlier than his 96-97 season. Belfour in 01-02 was odd as well...that whole Dallas team just fell apart, anyone remember why?

 

[The Panther]

Then of course there's the Messier debacle in Vancouver...


He went from 36 goals, 84 points and a +12 rating in 71 games with the Rangers in '97 to 22 goals, 60 points and a -10 rating in his first season with the Canucks.

I think this was more of a "player suddenly gets old" situation. Messier got injured late in the previous season (with NY), was not very good in the '97 playoffs, and then started the Vancouver period old, banged-up, and on a team that was bottoming out (and yeah, with a loss of passion and commitment on Messier's part, too).

 

[alko]

Peter Bondra in 1999/2000.

In 62 games he was only 21 + 17. Next season he jumped to 46 + 36 in 82 games.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

Jonathan Toews, any of the last 3 seasons.

 

[GlitchMarner]

Jonathan Toews, any of the last 3 seasons.

It's looking like he may be in decline...

 

[Kimi]

Selänne and Kariya in Colorado comes to mind. Yikes. What happened there?

Injuries to both.

This was a pre-lockout Selänne that had massive knee problems, he had surgery in the lost season to fix it and had a revival in Anaheim. Kariya had a few wrist injuries and an ankle one that took him out of the team. He'd go on to do well in Nashville after the lockout.

 

[Reindl87]

Mario Lemieux in 2005.

 

[Big Phil]

Joe Mullen in 1990 - 69 points in 78 games after 110 in 79 games in 1989. Not sure what happened there, the Flames were still the team to beat.

Ron Francis - 54 points in 70 games in 1992

Bill Barber - 55 points in 73 games in 1977 after 112 points in 80 games the year before. It sticks out from his whole career

Reggie Leach - 46 points in 77 games after his 61 goal 91 point season in 1976

Mark Messier - 54 points in 55 games in 1985 during a dynasty that was littered with 100 point seasons. Would have been injured this particular year of course

Theo Fleury in 2000 - 64 points in 80 games, surrounded by two superb seasons on each side

I know it is early and we learned how quick things can change in the 2015-'16 season with him, but how about Crosby this year? He can flip the switch and still lead the NHL in points, we know this, but there has to be sometime when his scoring starts declining, is this it?

 

[Hobnobs]

I know it is early and we learned how quick things can change in the 2015-'16 season with him, but how about Crosby this year? He can flip the switch and still lead the NHL in points, we know this, but there has to be sometime when his scoring starts declining, is this it?

The one thing that sticks out on Crosbys resume like a sore thumb is his 2014 OGs stats.

I cant comment too much on this season. Havent watched him or NHL barely at all.

 

[c9777666]

Dominik Hasek 1996. Only losing season of his career and the only time he missed the playoffs.

Patrick Roy 1995- See above.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Dominik Hasek 1996. Only losing season of his career and the only time he missed the playoffs.

Patrick Roy 1995- See above.

i would go with patrick roy, 1993 regular season.

vezina and made it to the finals 1989, vezina 1990, vezina runner-up 1991, vezina and hart runner-up 1992.

and then he followed that up with the greatest playoff run i've ever seen in the 1993 playoffs; and a third place vezina finish and fifth place hart finish in 1994, which was arguably the most competitive goaltending regular season of all-time.

or to put it another way:

SV%:

1987-88 NHL .900 (1st)

1988-89 NHL .908 (1st)

1989-90 NHL .912 (1st)

1990-91 NHL .906 (2nd)

1991-92 NHL .914 (1st)

1992-93 NHL .894 (8th)

1993-94 NHL .918 (3rd)

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

GAA:

1986-87 NHL 2.93 (2nd)

1987-88 NHL 2.90 (3rd)

1988-89 NHL 2.47 (1st)

1989-90 NHL 2.53 (2nd)

1990-91 NHL 2.71 (3rd)

1991-92 NHL 2.36 (1st)

1992-93 NHL 3.20 (8th)

1993-94 NHL 2.50 (3rd)

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

SO:

1988-89 NHL 4 (2nd)

1989-90 NHL 3 (2nd)

1991-92 NHL 5 (1st)

1992-93 NHL 2 (9th)

1993-94 NHL 7 (1st)

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Hobnobs]

Dominik Hasek 1996. Only losing season of his career and the only time he missed the playoffs.

Do we really count Sabres rebuilding year where Nolan was proud of the amount of injuries his team had because "it should competitiveness"? Hasek had the best sv% in the NHL that year and 5th in shots against. How is this a down year for Hasek?

 

[EpochLink]

Peter Bondra in 1999/2000.

In 62 games he was only 21 + 17. Next season he jumped to 46 + 36 in 82 games.

That whole 1999/2000 Capitals team was like no other... Chris Simon led the team in goal scoring with 29, Olaf Kolzig won his only Vezina, the leading point scorers were Oates and Gonchar and yet here's your constant 30/40 goal scorer with a measly 21 goals.

 

[Big Phil]

The one thing that sticks out on Crosbys resume like a sore thumb is his 2014 OGs stats.

I cant comment too much on this season. Havent watched him or NHL barely at all.

I think he still played well in 2014, he was feeding Kunitz like no tomorrow and Kunitz was as snake bitten as all get out! The thing with the 2014 is that no forward really stood out and none played poor either. The big performances were from Doughty and Weber on defense. 3 points in 6 games for Crosby is unusual and his only goal came in the Gold medal game, although it was a big one. For all the times he represented Canada in his career, this was the only time he didn't make a statistical difference.

 

[Hobnobs]

I think he still played well in 2014, he was feeding Kunitz like no tomorrow and Kunitz was as snake bitten as all get out! The thing with the 2014 is that no forward really stood out and none played poor either. The big performances were from Doughty and Weber on defense. 3 points in 6 games for Crosby is unusual and his only goal came in the Gold medal game, although it was a big one. For all the times he represented Canada in his career, this was the only time he didn't make a statistical difference.

The thing is that he is supposed to stand out. 1 albeit important goal in 6 games sure sticks out as a sore thumb on his resume.

 

[Doctor Coffin]

Yzerman's 1995 as well.

And Gretzky had the worst season of his career aside from his last season in 1995.

I think Steve Yzerman's 1985-86 season - even when he was healthy - was much more disappointing than 1995 was for him.

 

[Big Phil]

The thing is that he is supposed to stand out. 1 albeit important goal in 6 games sure sticks out as a sore thumb on his resume.

I agree

I think Steve Yzerman's 1985-86 season - even when he was healthy - was much more disappointing than 1995 was for him.

He played 51 games and had 42 points. Not great, but he was hurt a big portion of the year, although I can't remember with what. This is Yzerman before his true breakout to the Yzerman we came to know starting in 1988 or so.

 

[Doctor Coffin]

I agree



He played 51 games and had 42 points. Not great, but he was hurt a big portion of the year, although I can't remember with what. This is Yzerman before his true breakout to the Yzerman we came to know starting in 1988 or so.

His season ended early that year, IIRC, collarbone. Until he was lost, though, he was playing mostly healthy that I am aware of. Based on how he had begun his career the previous two seasons, 1985-86 was a disappointment, in my opinion more so than 1995.

 

[Hobnobs]

I agree



He played 51 games and had 42 points. Not great, but he was hurt a big portion of the year, although I can't remember with what. This is Yzerman before his true breakout to the Yzerman we came to know starting in 1988 or so.

Broken collarbone.

 

[daver]

The thing is that he is supposed to stand out. 1 albeit important goal in 6 games sure sticks out as a sore thumb on his resume.

So what were your thoughts on the Team Canada forwards as a whole group? Not one player at a PPG, only one forward in the Top 30 scoring, yet this team put up the most dominating OG performance ever.

Crosby was the best forward in the two most important games, the SF and Final, on a team that was designed to play a puck possession game with Crosby being the centrepeice as the #1C. He deserves some recognition for leading his team in playing this dominating style and for playing a 2-way game that allowed for Canada's depth to take over.

This should be far from a disappointing performance unless you believe the whole forward group was disappointing.

The funny thing is he gets flack for 2010 and 2014 yet he is the leading point getter for TC when the last 3 best-0n-best tourneys are combined.

 

[Hobnobs]

So what were your thoughts on the Team Canada forwards as a whole group? Not one player at a PPG, only one forward in the Top 30 scoring, yet this team put up the most dominating OG performance ever.

Crosby was the best forward in the two most important games, the SF and Final, on a team that was designed to play a puck possession game with Crosby being the centrepeice as the #1C. He deserves some recognition for leading his team in playing this dominating style and for playing a 2-way game that allowed for Canada's depth to take over.

This should be far from a disappointing performance unless you believe the whole forward group was disappointing.

The funny thing is he gets flack for 2010 and 2014 yet he is the leading point getter for TC when the last 3 best-0n-best tourneys are combined.

I have no idea of what you are talking about. Canada wasnt exactly dominating the 2014 tournament. And Crosby wasnt the most important player in the finals nor semifinals.
The rest of the forward corps? Hmm, Carter had 5 points and Marleau had 4. But this was a forward corps Crosby was supposed to lead. He didnt. Now Getzlaf and Perry was disappointments as well.

What does 2010 have to do with anything? We are talking about Crosbys 2014 sticking out.

 

[daver]

I have no idea of what you are talking about. Canada wasnt exactly dominating the 2014 tournament. And Crosby wasnt the most important player in the finals nor semifinals. He scored the most important goal, sure.

The rest of the forward corps? Hmm, Carter had 5 points and Marleau had 4. But this was a forward corps Crosby was supposed to lead. He didnt. Now Getzlaf and Perry was disappointments as well.

What does 2010 have to do with anything? We are talking about Crosbys 2014 sticking out.

They outscored their opponents 18-3, they weren't scored on in the SF and Final. If that's not dominant I don't know what is.

 

[Hobnobs]

They outscored their opponents 18-3, they weren't scored on in the SF and Final. If that's not dominant I don't know what is.

Yea you cant just combine games like that in a tournament. Canada had by far the easiest group in 2014. Its not a dominating performance when you barely squeeze by Finland in OT and narrowly defeat the US in the semis.