GDT: UFC on ESPN: Kattar vs. Emmett/PFL 4

[I am not exposed]

You didn't have 4-1 Emmett. Kattar easily 4th and 5th rounds.

Lol, no one really getting into Emmett having a title shot.

 

[CDJ]

Rly sucks to lose a lot of money on split decisions you don’t agree with

I guess the argument can be made Emmett win the first 3 rounds. I don’t see it myself

Last 2 rounds were easy Kattar

 

[I am not exposed]

Thought Emmett won the first 3 rounds

Pretty sure that is how 2 judges scored it.

That 1st round was probably the split one.

48-47 either way fine by me.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Kattar looked unusually cautious that fight but I guess Emmett's power will do that.

Great card. Nice to see Holland and Buckley put together real complete showings.

 

[CDJ]

Phenomenal card


Beterbiev fighting tonight too, nice

 

[Taytro]

You didn't have 4-1 Emmett. Kattar easily 4th and 5th rounds.

Lol, no one really getting into Emmett having a title shot.

I think his team was telling him he was up that much, Emmett is in the middle of the fight he doesnt know. Sometimes the corners need to be a bit more conservative, look at the Rose fight, they kept telling her she was up and they were wrong.

I'd love to see Emmett vs Volk. I'd hate to see Emmett vs Holloway.

 

[I am not exposed]

I think his team was telling him he was up that much, Emmett is in the middle of the fight he doesnt know. Sometimes the corners need to be a bit more conservative, look at the Rose fight, they kept telling her she was up and they were wrong.

I'd love to see Emmett vs Volk. I'd hate to see Emmett vs Holloway.

Yeah, Kattar was jabbing the hell out of him. It would be much worse against Holloway!

 

[CDJ]

Emmett would be an interesting fight for Volk. A different kind of challenge. I tend to think Volkanovski would have his way with him but he’s been dropped and the one punch power is there for Emmett

I think Holloway would f*** him up

 

[Taytro]

Rly sucks to lose a lot of money on split decisions you don’t agree with

I guess the argument can be made Emmett win the first 3 rounds. I don’t see it myself

Last 2 rounds were easy Kattar

I usually agree with you but idk, I had Emmett with at least 2 of the first 3 rounds, probably 3.

Even the 4th/5th Kattar landed more shots but for the second half of the 5th Kattar was backing up and pawing his jab out there. Emmett was moving forward and swinging harder, missing but being the aggressor, it's easy to see how judges could favour Emmett in that situation (even if they shouldn't).

If the judges determine striking to be equal, it wasn't in those last 2 but if they do judge it to be equal, and one guy is being the aggressor, he gets the round. Judges suck in MMA so I'm surprised one judge didn't have it 49-46 either way.

 

[m9]

I usually agree with you but idk, I had Emmett with at least 2 of the first 3 rounds, probably 3.

Even the 4th/5th Kattar landed more shots but for the second half of the 5th Kattar was backing up and pawing his jab out there. Emmett was moving forward and swinging harder, missing but being the aggressor, it's easy to see how judges could favour Emmett in that situation (even if they shouldn't).

If the judges determine striking to be equal, it wasn't in those last 2 but if they do judge it to be equal, and one guy is being the aggressor, he gets the round. Judges suck in MMA so I'm surprised one judge didn't have it 49-46 either way.

I agree on the 5th, but 4th was pretty clear for Kattar. Would be really surprised if any judge gave that one to Emmett

 

[td_ice]

Watching post fight show.

Holland has matured, big time.

 

[CDJ]

I usually agree with you but idk, I had Emmett with at least 2 of the first 3 rounds, probably 3.

Even the 4th/5th Kattar landed more shots but for the second half of the 5th Kattar was backing up and pawing his jab out there. Emmett was moving forward and swinging harder, missing but being the aggressor, it's easy to see how judges could favour Emmett in that situation (even if they shouldn't).

If the judges determine striking to be equal, it wasn't in those last 2 but if they do judge it to be equal, and one guy is being the aggressor, he gets the round. Judges suck in MMA so I'm surprised one judge didn't have it 49-46 either way.

Yeah if they were swayed by flailing at nothing then they could have given round 5 to Emmett, I don’t see how else they could have

I imagine they gave him the first 3. Which I don’t agree with but I can understand. It’s not a robbery by any means. I just don’t agree with the decision

 

[Chaels Arms]

I think both Kattar and Emmett get destroyed by either of Volkanovski or Holloway. Like, badly. Just a huge dropoff in that division.

 

[td_ice]

I think both Kattar and Emmett get destroyed by either of Volkanovski or Holloway. Like, badly. Just a huge dropoff in that division.

I think so as well. Those two are a league above the rest.

 

[Taytro]

I think both Kattar and Emmett get destroyed by either of Volkanovski or Holloway. Like, badly. Just a huge dropoff in that division.

I think they both get destroyed by Max because he's such a specialist in what the two of them just did.

I think Emmett vs Volk is more interesting because they're very similar builds. Volk is more technical but we've seen him get stunned. I think Volk wins but I'm more interested in that than Emmett vs Holloway.

 

[I am not exposed]

I think so as well. Those two are a league above the rest.

Brian Ortega lost to both, but I think he's closer than the rest. I wouldn't say he is a league below either.

 

[pistolpete11]

I agree on the 5th, but 4th was pretty clear for Kattar. Would be really surprised if any judge gave that one to Emmett

Yeah, about that....

I had Kattar 2-4-5, but I'm fine with Emmett winning....just not R4.

 

[pistolpete11]

Holland looked good, but Means was a fight that was setup for him to look good. He's way too fast and explosive for someone like Means. Means can wrestle a little bit, but he's not some smothering wrestler, so even if he got takedowns like he did, I wasn't expecting him to keep him down. Not like Sean Brady would do.

I think Buckley was also kind of setup to look good here, too, but he did what he was supposed to.

 

[Taytro]

Holland looked good, but Means was a fight that was setup for him to look good. He's way too fast and explosive for someone like Means. Means can wrestle a little bit, but he's not some smothering wrestler, so even if he got takedowns like he did, I wasn't expecting him to keep him down. Not like Sean Brady would do.

I think Buckley was also kind of setup to look good here, too, but he did what he was supposed to.

During the broadcast Din Thomas said Duraev apparently wanted the Buckley fight because they used to train together and Duraev thought it was an easy matchup for him. So, there's that.

Holland was definitely the favourite here but he was 1-2-1 in his last 4, and his 2nd fight in welterweight. Means was on a 3 fight win streak. UFC definitely wants to build Holland back up, but it wasn't a gimme I don't think.

 

[m9]

During the broadcast Din Thomas said Duraev apparently wanted the Buckley fight because they used to train together and Duraev thought it was an easy matchup for him. So, there's that.

Holland was definitely the favourite here but he was 1-2-1 in his last 4, and his 2nd fight in welterweight. Means was on a 3 fight win streak. UFC definitely wants to build Holland back up, but it wasn't a gimme I don't think.

No gimme, but Means is a pretty limited guy though. I think it was a good style matchup for Holland.

 

[pistolpete11]

During the broadcast Din Thomas said Duraev apparently wanted the Buckley fight because they used to train together and Duraev thought it was an easy matchup for him. So, there's that.

Holland was definitely the favourite here but he was 1-2-1 in his last 4, and his 2nd fight in welterweight. Means was on a 3 fight win streak. UFC definitely wants to build Holland back up, but it wasn't a gimme I don't think.

His losses were to top 5 guys up a weight class, though. I get wanting to give him a get right fight, especially moving weight classes, but that's what the Cowboy Oliveira fight was. I thought he should get somebody like The Leach.

 

[CDJ]

Honestly f*** Chris Lee so hard, I can’t believe I lost that bet because he gave Emmett round 4.

I mean honestly like what the f*** are we even watching? That was by far the easiest round to score in the entire fight. There is no argument to be made for Emmett winning that round. It’s a sick joke that these fighters lose half their purse because some know-nothing dipshit with ketchup stains and Cheeto crumbs on his shirt has no idea what he’s looking at


If they are going to be so bad at their job just get rid of judges and let them fight until a finish, I mean jfc. Or at least poll like 20 of them for each fight. What a f***ing disgrace, if I was as bad at my job as Chris Lee consistently is I would have been fired in 2017 when I started. Simply unreal, I wish him the absolute worst.


Kattar outstruck him 2-1 that round! It wasn’t close, it was closer to a 10-8 than it was to Emmett winning that round. Just f***ing despicable. Now I think it’s a robbery since that one horribly scored round is why Emmett won the fight. Couldn’t have just given Emmett the first 3 rounds where at least there was an argument smdh

 

[pistolpete11]

Honestly f*** Chris Lee so hard, I can’t believe I lost that bet because he gave Emmett round 4.

I mean honestly like what the f*** are we even watching? That was by far the easiest round to score in the entire fight. There is no argument to be made for Emmett winning that round. It’s a sick joke that these fighters lose half their purse because some know-nothing dipshit with ketchup stains and Cheeto crumbs on his shirt has no idea what he’s looking at


If they are going to be so bad at their job just get rid of judges and let them fight until a finish, I mean jfc. Or at least poll like 20 of them for each fight. What a f***ing disgrace, if I was as bad at my job as Chris Lee consistently is I would have been fired in 2017 when I started. Simply unreal, I wish him the absolute worst.

I don't think it was that hard of a fight to judge, honestly. Emmett 1-3. Kattar 2-4-5.

R1-2 were close enough that I could see them going either way because of the judges being cage side and not always having the best views and whatnot. But R3-4-5 were clear as day.

Most people probably won't even know that a judge scored R4 for Emmett, though, and the end result was justifiable. Even if they did, though, there's no way to hold the athletic commission accountable. They have no incentive to explain themselves or make any changes. So it goes.

 

[CDJ]

I don't think it was that hard of a fight to judge, honestly. Emmett 1-3. Kattar 2-4-5.

R1-2 were close enough that I could see them going either way because of the judges being cage side and not always having the best views and whatnot. But R3-4-5 were clear as day.

Most people probably won't even know that a judge scored R4 for Emmett, though, and the end result was justifiable. Even if they did, though, there's no way to hold the athletic commission accountable. They have no incentive to explain themselves or make any changes. So it goes.

Just watching Luke Thomas’s recap now and he said it best- “oh well, what can you do?”

Feel so bad for these fighters. At least I’ll win some money due to shitty judging some other time, Kattar ain’t getting that 5-6 figures back

Totally agree with your scoring btw. I can at least understand if the judges went 1-2-3 for Emmett. The argument is there. I don’t agree but could live with it. Round 4 for Emmett is criminal. There’s not even a quality/damage argument for him, that was the round Kattar had him looking like Voldemort lost a fight with a lawnmower. He was a mess going into round 5. Hell it would’ve been better for Lee to give Emmett round 5! That was definitely the closer round of the two

 

[pistolpete11]

Just watching Luke Thomas’s recap now and he said it best- “oh well, what can you do?”

Feel so bad for these fighters. At least I’ll win some money due to shitty judging some other time, Kattar ain’t getting that 5-6 figures back

Totally agree with your scoring btw. I can at least understand if the judges went 1-2-3 for Emmett. The argument is there. I don’t agree but could live with it. Round 4 for Emmett is criminal. There’s not even a quality/damage argument for him, that was the round Kattar had him looking like Voldemort lost a fight with a lawnmower. He was a mess going into round 5. Hell it would’ve been better for Lee to give Emmett round 5! That was definitely the closer round of the two

The only commission that seems progressive enough to do anything about it is California. Even if they did, though, there's nothing that would make the other states follow them.