Injury Report: Tua Tagovailoa injuries and overall handling of the situation

[joestevens29]

I’m not surprised that the doctor discharged him but shouldn’t they have said you can’t fly back with the team and need to rest for at least 24 hours? If the hospital wasn’t going to keep him there they should have told him he can’t fly back yet.

I'm surprised from the time he got hurt to the time they announced he was being discharged was less than 2 hours.

 

[joestevens29]

What I can get past, is even if you want to buy the story (that clearly seems like whitewashing now) that the dude had back and ankle injuries on Sunday and that's why he collapsed...how do you put him back out there that day and four days later when he had those alleged injuries that caused him to collapse?! It's not like THAT is anything to f*** around with regardless.

There are cases where you can get on the player for hiding symptoms but A) that's supposed to be why protocols are in place, allegedly to prevent that and B) everyone in America SAW what happened Sunday, there was no hiding that. Ultimately the team and the league have to be the adults in the room, and they were the furthest thing from it all week.

Similar to Herbert last week. The guy has an injury that if it gets worse could cause some major issues. Guy plays the game and not well, but team still leaves him in there risking injury.

This is also only week 3 and 4 and teams aren't giving two shits about player safety. What is going to happen come playoff time?

Like give the guys the week or weeks to get better and then bring them back. Do you really want to losing your starting quarterback 3 or 4 games into the season?

 

[John Price]

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

If that's the case then the NFL needs to be sued into oblivion. It's clear as day that it's all about TV revenue & wins and not player safety.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Very scary. When I saw his hands all contorted I thought he had broken 1 or 2 fingers....

As a youth football coach, plays like this hit especially hard. I am terrified of something like this happening to one of my boys. When you see clips like this it's obvious why parents are hesitant to let their kids play contact football.

 

[Gecklund]

This is such a weird situation. Outside looking in, Tua should have been no where near the field last night. He should not have been on a plane last night/this morning. He should not have been discharged. But he’s been cleared by multiple people. He’s been cleared by the independent specialist on Sunday, probably team doctors throughout the week, then was discharged from the hospital (one of the top hospitals in the country I might add). While I don’t necessarily believe the league or their specialists because conflict of interest and wanting to cover their own asses, they do need to appease the NFLPA too so they can’t just make shit up at the same time. I also trust that the hospital would make the right decision (I think).

It’s just such a weird and complex situation and I feel bad for Tua who is stuck in the middle. It’s like who do we really believe? Can this many people really be lying about it? Can this many people really be trying to cover things up? If so SO many people would have their jobs on the line including these doctors and nurses at the hospital and I just don’t know if I would believe that that many people have such questionable (at best) morals. Am I wrong about this?

 

[TheRumble]

Even ignoring the concussion thing for a second which is absolutely disgraceful, I find it crazy that NFL even schedules games 4 days apart for the Dolphins. Considering the violent nature of the sport I'm surprised the PA has never brought up a mandatory 6 day break in between games.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Everyone comes out of this with blood on their hands except Tua himself.

I am honestly angry that I love this sport.

 

[StreetHawk]

Yeah.. this has always been my perspective on the league's so-called 'commitment to player safety'. The NFL doesn't want players to get injured, but their scheduling shows that player safety is basically a lower priority than TV revenue.
Fair enough, the NFL is ultimately a for-profit business. But it's comical that they conspicuously hype up safety, while adding an unnecessary 17th game to the season, and compel guys to play on basically 3 days rest. Their concussion larp was brought about to appease all the retired players' litigations over lingering head/mental damage. 'Player safety' is a preemptive legal strategy, not foremost a regard for NFL players' welfare..

Again if both sides want the extra revenue for a stand alone game on Thursday that’s all good. Decide how to best ensure the health of the players. That’s why a second bye week makes more sense. They pushed the season by a week for the 17rh game so another week to accommodate another bye week would push the super bowl to mid feb.

 

[StreetHawk]

Even ignoring the concussion thing for a second which is absolutely disgraceful, I find it crazy that NFL even schedules games 4 days apart for the Dolphins. Considering the violent nature of the sport I'm surprised the PA has never brought up a mandatory 6 day break in between games.

Every team has to play a Thursday game.

I think fans like having another prime time game but it’s how to have that game plus ensure player safety and health. Asking too much for players to play Sunday and again on Thursday.

The players need to have the prior Sunday off when they play on Thursday.

 

[hatterson]

This is such a weird situation. Outside looking in, Tua should have been no where near the field last night. He should not have been on a plane last night/this morning. He should not have been discharged. But he’s been cleared by multiple people. He’s been cleared by the independent specialist on Sunday, probably team doctors throughout the week, then was discharged from the hospital (one of the top hospitals in the country I might add). While I don’t necessarily believe the league or their specialists because conflict of interest and wanting to cover their own asses, they do need to appease the NFLPA too so they can’t just make shit up at the same time. I also trust that the hospital would make the right decision (I think).

It’s just such a weird and complex situation and I feel bad for Tua who is stuck in the middle. It’s like who do we really believe? Can this many people really be lying about it? Can this many people really be trying to cover things up? If so SO many people would have their jobs on the line including these doctors and nurses at the hospital and I just don’t know if I would believe that that many people have such questionable (at best) morals. Am I wrong about this?

From the hospital standpoint though they're not checking him for his continued ability to play football, they're basically checking him for "is he at an active risk of worsening his injury by walking out these doors"

They likely checked him for brain bleeds, for SIS type stuff, and said that he wasn't at active risk of dying by leaving. At that point, he's basically released into the care of his primary doctors.

Being released from the hospital after a concussion is basically the minimum standard of "he isn't at risk of dying tonight from a brain bleed" but says nothing of his actual mental condition beyond that he was conscious and coherent.

 

[Blitzkrug]

As a Dolphins fan, all I can say is I'm glad Tua is okay.

I was happy to get the W Sunday against Buffalo, but sitting there watching the second half start and Tua was out there I was like "uhhhhh what? There's no way they cleared him that fast right?"

I had the same feeling going into last night. My thought was that he was definitely concussed. My second thought was that even if he wasn't concussed, the inital claim of a back injury could also have catastrophic results if made worse so even then he should have still sat. Especially with Miami getting essentially only 3 days of rest because of Ian forcing them to fly out a day earlier.

I said it last night: this is why loser franchises stay losers. Tua is the best thing to happen to the Dolphins in decades. Don't jeopardize his career and health for one f***ing game. This is exactly why you have a high quality back up in Teddy. Take the L, give Tua a full 10 days off and let the man recover.

The organization will get the hammer dropped on them, and deservedly so.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

"NFL team did nothing wrong," says NFL.

 

[Blitzkrug]

The one thing I will say in this whole scandal is i don't agree with Mike McDaniel getting slandered.

Bias aside, he's claiming the doctor told him Tua was good to go. McDaniel is not a doctor. If I was in a position and a supposedly licensed doctor tells me the guy is good, I probably make the same call.

You could say "well he should have sat him anyways." Sure, but then McDaniel gets a shitload of heat for going against the doctor's order.

This is on the league and the rest of the Dolphins org. The current concussion policy isn't enough. People always said it was a sham and now we have hard proof that yes, it's most likely a sham.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

"NFL team did nothing wrong," says NFL.

basically the equivalent of a kid covered in chocolate saying "no, I didn't get into the cookie jar"

 

[hatterson]

As a Dolphins fan, all I can say is I'm glad Tua is okay.

I was happy to get the W Sunday against Buffalo, but sitting there watching the second half start and Tua was out there I was like "uhhhhh what? There's no way they cleared him that fast right?"

I had the same feeling going into last night. My thought was that he was definitely concussed. My second thought was that even if he wasn't concussed, the inital claim of a back injury could also have catastrophic results if made worse so even then he should have still sat. Especially with Miami getting essentially only 3 days of rest because of Ian forcing them to fly out a day earlier.

I said it last night: this is why loser franchises stay losers. Tua is the best thing to happen to the Dolphins in decades. Don't jeopardize his career and health for one f***ing game. This is exactly why you have a high quality back up in Teddy. Take the L, give Tua a full 10 days off and let the man recover.

The organization will get the hammer dropped on them, and deservedly so.

To be clear, this absolutely isn't known yet.

From all reports, he didn't sustain (significant) neck or spinal cord injuries, but it's way too early to tell if he's going to be okay in relation to the concussion.

I hope he's ok, even as a Bills fan who would love the Dolphins to stay a joke, I don't want to see a promising young player's career ended from an injury.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

To be clear, this is for Sunday's situation. Not last night.

 

[NJDevs26]

 

[John Price]

Guys it's all right Tua is watching TV not like he didn't get seriously hurt or anything

the cavalier way a serious injury is beating treating is VERY concerning

 

[Blitzkrug]

Guys it's all right Tua is watching TV not like he didn't get seriously hurt or anything

the cavalier way a serious injury is beating treating is VERY concerning

Oh f*** you. You shed your tears over this and then go back to kissing Dan Snyder's ass.

Go find another boiler plate tweet to repost so everyone can not bother reading it

 

[NJDevs26]

The one thing I will say in this whole scandal is i don't agree with Mike McDaniel getting slandered.

Bias aside, he's claiming the doctor told him Tua was good to go. McDaniel is not a doctor. If I was in a position and a supposedly licensed doctor tells me the guy is good, I probably make the same call.

You could say "well he should have sat him anyways." Sure, but then McDaniel gets a shitload of heat for going against the doctor's order.

This is on the league and the rest of the Dolphins org. The current concussion policy isn't enough. People always said it was a sham and now we have hard proof that yes, it's most likely a sham.

Just that quote about ‘we’re glad it’s only a concussion’ is bad enough…that’s like a 1970’s attitude toward concussions

 

[GKJ]

The one thing I will say in this whole scandal is i don't agree with Mike McDaniel getting slandered.

Bias aside, he's claiming the doctor told him Tua was good to go. McDaniel is not a doctor. If I was in a position and a supposedly licensed doctor tells me the guy is good, I probably make the same call.

You could say "well he should have sat him anyways." Sure, but then McDaniel gets a shitload of heat for going against the doctor's order.

This is on the league and the rest of the Dolphins org. The current concussion policy isn't enough. People always said it was a sham and now we have hard proof that yes, it's most likely a sham.

I think I agree with this here. It’s easy to say that everyone should know better, but if the guys who are supposed to know better are, then that’s what it is. Only caveat would be if he noticed something visibly, but we all saw what happened.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Just that quote about ‘we’re glad it’s only a concussion’ is bad enough…that’s like a 1970’s attitude toward concussions

McDaniel isn't exactly a wordsmith and already has kind of a weird personality.

I'm assuming (hoping) he meant it in the context of he's glad it was "just" a concussion and not him being paralyzed or dead.

Thats how I read it anyway

 

[TheGreenTBer]

McDaniel isn't exactly a wordsmith and already has kind of a weird personality.

I'm assuming (hoping) he meant it in the context of he's glad it was "just" a concussion and not him being paralyzed or dead.

Thats how I read it anyway

I think people with brains understood what he meant, he just should probably have chosen his words more carefully because sports media is a legion of leeches.

 

[RangerDoggo]

I'm not the kind of guy who likes to dogpile on the latest outrage, particularly when it comes to sports. When the discourse about Ray Rice and then Colin Kaepernick raged, my opinion was "everyone please shut up about this for five seconds, you don't have anything new or insightful to say."

The Tua incident made me feel things. Not good things either. Honestly, it makes me want to not watch as much football, and I barely pay attention to it as it is.