MB will probably fire Timmins 3 days before the draft, and hire a family member, who needs a job.
Trevor Timmins - The day they made me draft Louis Leblanc....
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WeThreeKings
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I don't want to climb higher than we are.. win 1 or 2, but don't hit 3. Sit at 5-7.
Getting Tkachuk would be the worst reward for this year.
Getting Tkachuk would be the worst reward for this year.
montreal
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You know MB's motto, expect the worst from me, so Tkachuk has to be their pick even if they ended up 2nd overall. I'm sure we'll hear all about how you don't pass on players with his size and abilities, character wins championships, I know his dad, etc..
WeThreeKings
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Yep, I'm actually on board for the Habs winning some games to end the season. We are better off picking in the back half of the top ten, then the front half.. them picking Tkachuk because of character would be the final farce of the year.
Habs Icing
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Selective memory much? If we're talking about the 1st round only you forgot Tinordi and McCarron.
Habs Icing
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So if you were MB (I don't mean that as an insult) and the Habs have the 6th pick who would you take? Wahlstrom - a sometimes center - or Kockamamie - a true blue center?
Habs Icing
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Maybe you're underestimating NHL scouts. What if the Habs fall to 7-8 and Tkachuk is still there?
madhi19
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This is why you should never host the freaking draft. Especially when you don't really need to in order to sell people on your product.
WeThreeKings
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Neither one of those guys were picked over francophone players that the media was crying over. You would know I hate the Tinordi pick more than anything.
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Whitesnake
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This is totally an insult.....lol. Today, at this present time, I am NOT going for needs. Not around that pick. Gap might not be that much. So I'm going with the best player. And it's Wahlstrom for me.....right now. But it's damn close. I believe Kotkaniemi is incredibly underrated. 21 by McKeen is a joke. Actually every scouting group EXCEPT Hockey Prospect. And I have to say McCagg...though him putting Tkachuk ahead of him is a joke....
Asked me again at draft day.....I will hope one will be gone so I could pick the other one....But it's possible that needs speak louder....Kotkaniemi will not be a bad choice. Trust me.
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We should have drafted Michkov
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WeThreeKings
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It's like fasting for a week and instead of a steak dinner you have chicken .strips and fries.
Sure they will fill you up and they're not bad but you had the option to get something better.
Habs Icing
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So how would you solve the center problems? We need two top 6. If you're not going to draft one when a center prospect is so close, you must have another idea on how to solve those needs. Maybe Wahlstrom is slightly better than Kotkaniemi - that's how it looks on your list - but maybe Kotkaniemi will be more valuable to the Habs than Wahlstrom. We have zero top centers and no prospects in the pipeline. Poehling is a 3rd line center. Wingers, we have wingers. Lots of them. Maybe not on Wahlstrom's level but Drouin and Galchenyuk are in the same ballpark. Centers we got zilch, zippo, nada, niente.
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Well, you don't solve it by picking players who project lower long term. We don't know what the state of the team will be when Wahlstrom will be ready to make an impact and even less what center might be available at in the next few drafts. I mean, do you pass up Laine because Dubois or Jost are available if you're lacking centers ?
That said, Kotkaniemi's been a winger this year outside of the 5 nations. Both are "sometimes" centers and the team that drafts them needs to make sure they decide what position they want these guys to play.
In any case, both are great picks in the top 10. What makes Kotkaniemi even more of sleeper is he's almost a full year younger than comparable Finnish prospects from years past (Wahlstrom is young as well), but producing just as much. I'm always tempted to rank him higher and higher, because his game does project well at center and he's a full package of offense who's a threat as a goal scorer. He makes playmaking decisions at a pro level already.
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Whitesnake
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And again, the day that you see Jones for Johansen is the day that you could package top prospects for another top prospects. We drafted Sergachev. Not my fault if Bergevin is too stupid to trade him for a real C. But we could. See Jones for Johansen. Yet again, I wouldn't be against a Kotkaniemi pick. Think I was clear on that. But it will always be BPA for me unless...there's a CLEAR winner.
Whitesnake
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Kotkaniemi's style of play though suits him so much to be a C. You see Wahlstrom and you see Bellows. But Kotkaniemi's game is more ''centerman style''. Both could be C. Easier to picture Kotkaniemi.
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Yep I agree, added an edit just before your reply. But, Galchenyuk's game suits the center position as well, so we know our team isn't exactly a development powerhouse, it's why I felt that caveat was important.
Habs Icing
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Great example. I had that exact trade in mind when I responded to you but I didn't want to make my post longer than it was. I think in the Jones-Johansen trade the Blue Jackets got the better player but Nashville was the team that improved the most. Why? Because they filled a need.
Same with that draft pick. I'll go by your rating because I haven't seen Kotkaniemi at all and Wahlstrom just at the juniors. You say Wahlstrom is the slightly better player but their values are comparable. You do have them 6 & 7. If you were my head scout and you came to me with that list I would ask you to pick the Finn.
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It's very unlikely we end up anywhere but 5-7. Of course we will have a decent shot at top 3 no matter where we end up.
WeThreeKings
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Habs Icing
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But you're not my head scout, damn it. I gave the job to Whitesnake. If you want to be heard go through the proper channels. Marry my cousin or introduce yourself to me when we're kids.
WeThreeKings
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We should have drafted Michkov
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He seems like a good young player, just curious what you didn't like about his game.
WeThreeKings
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Days away from being eligible for last year's draft
Skating concerns
No dynamic outstanding skill
Has only scored 8 goals, where players from last years draft in the NCAA have scored more than that
Quinn Hughes is a D, younger, smaller, and playing in the NCAA, almost eclipses his point totals
Is a pure winger and the other wingers in this draft are better than him in every measurable way.
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