Proposal: Trade Rumours & Proposals Thread: Connor's back, do we make a move?

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duul

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Name me a team with a young #1D that would trade that player for the package you're pushing and why.

Jones is a #1 D on Columbus now and looking incredible. He was traded for Johansen.

As for other teams, I believe Subban could be had for a #1 C and a defensive prospect. Montreal needs a #1 C badly, and they have Markov right now to mentor a very good young player like Nurse or Klefbom coming in. It does not seem out of the realm of possibility for a trade like that to happen.

OEL to Phoenix for Matthews+ is a possibility as well.

Anaheim could consider trading Lindholm and keeping Vatanen if someone overpays enough. They need more goal scoring. We are overloaded with "goal scorers".

Calgary could look into trading Brodie or Giordano.

Brent Burns could be had for the right price too. Same with Pietrangelo.

There are guys out there who can be moved for overpayments. Overpayments we are in a beautiful position to be making.
 

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Yeah making trades for the sake of making trades isn't a sure fire path to success. You have to *win* many/all of those trades.

I think we can afford to lose on maybe an RNH for Shattenkirk or Hamonic type deal. Its not even a clear cut loss and has potential to be a good deal. I cant accept losing as bad as a Matthews, Klefbom, RNH for 1st, Jenner, Murray, Rychel deal tho
 

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Jones is a #1 D on Columbus now and looking incredible. He was traded for Johansen.

As for other teams, I believe Subban could be had for a #1 C and a defensive prospect. Montreal needs a #1 C badly, and they have Markov right now to mentor a very good young player like Nurse or Klefbom coming in. It does not seem out of the realm of possibility for a trade like that to happen.

OEL to Phoenix for Matthews+ is a possibility as well.

Anaheim could consider trading Lindholm and keeping Vatanen if someone overpays enough. They need more goal scoring. We are overloaded with "goal scorers".

Calgary could look into trading Brodie or Giordano.

Brent Burns could be had for the right price too. Same with Pietrangelo.

There are guys out there who can be moved for overpayments. Overpayments we are in a beautiful position to be making.

Jones played easiest minutes on Nashville and dead last on Columbus for corsi rel QoC. Hes playing butter soft minutes, amongst easiest in the NHL for D. He is nowhere near a #1D, almost the opposite

None of the guys you mentioned have even been rumored to be available, except for Ducks

The realisitic targets are Ducks, Buff, Myers, Shattenkirk, Hamonic

And once again, we are not in a position to overpay. Bad team overpay (Columbus for example). Good teams make smart trades. We sucked for 6 years to acquire this talent, now we want to squander it away because we have too much?
 

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Can we not speculate about trading/drafting Austen Matthews? It's depressing.

I'm honestly hoping we win the majority of our remaining games just to pull ourselves out of the cellar.
 

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I think we can afford to lose on maybe an RNH for Shattenkirk or Hamonic type deal. Its not even a clear cut loss and has potential to be a good deal. I cant accept losing as bad as a Matthews, Klefbom, RNH for 1st, Jenner, Murray, Rychel deal tho

Because that's an absurdly stupid trade. Matthews alone could probably get you close to their pick + Murray.
 

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Because that's an absurdly stupid trade.

I dont think RNH for Shattenkirk is stupid at all. Assuming he wants like 6.5 or 7 mil and you can long him up asap, then you get a top pairing D whos a RHD and a puck mover, and still pretty young. Hes pretty much Keiths age when Keith broke out
 

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I dont think RNH for Shattenkirk is stupid at all. Assuming he wants like 6.5 or 7 mil and you can long him up asap, then you get a top pairing D whos a RHD and a puck mover, and still pretty young. Hes pretty much Keiths age when Keith broke out

He is referring to the proposal I made with Columbus.
 

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He is referring to the proposal I made with Columbus.

I think the only way that deal could be worth it is if we made it today. So we get those guys to help us right now. Then theres the risk we actually surpass CBJ and our pick is after theirs.
 

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I think the only way that deal could be worth it is if we made it today. So we get those guys to help us right now. Then theres the risk we actually surpass CBJ and our pick is after theirs.

Why, they likely still don't make the playoffs this season so what's the point.
 

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I'd be shocked if Yak netted anything more than scraps at this point and if he continues that chemistry with McDavid and goes on a tear to end the season, I'd rather hold on to him.
The chemistry with McDavid is highly overstated imo. He scored a couple goals. Yeah, I guess he did. Any of Eberle, Pouliot, Purcell would score goals with McDavid. Its not a reason to keep him.

However imo he is not without value strictly on his first overall status, good rookie campaign and the extent to which everyone in the league knows what a gong show of suck the Oilers have been for Yak's entire tenure with the club. As a package with the first rounder ... that is the best way to maximize Yakupov's value imo. Not saying we deal that for nothing but a number one d-man obviously. Maybe we only get a second pairing guy plus a couple of different forwards that help the team more than Yakupov does.

If you add Eberle or RNH to that package, it easily reaches the value of a top pairing d-man plus a cheaper, or younger, or more versatile center to fill the gap. Honestly, do you not think Chiarelli is sitting here with a bunch of chips in his hand and doing nothing but sweat all over them? He needs to make an extremely critical deal, or series of deals, for the future of this club, and we cannot afford to see it be anything other than an unqualified success. I think every club in the league wants a first round lotto pick. That gets him in the conversation. A good GM can turn that into the trade we need. The pick needs to go for sure imo.


The Oilers need to manage their long term cap. McDavid is due for an enourmous contract, probably $12M or so if he is who we think he is and Drai's price will likely go up more and more with each passing month of solid production. Plus the Oilers are going to need to pay some good Dmen. The cap crunch is coming and it's essential that the Oilers keep replenishing with cheap young talent. Their pipeline is pretty much a barren wasteland at this point, it leaves little margin for error in case of injury.
Why do people talk like it is essential to keep replenishing? Look at the freaking wasteland that the Oilers farm system and development has been for the last decade. Now at least we have a good setup. I'm not too concerned if we have a gap in certain positions on the farm in three years time. That's part of a good GMs job. He is supposed to move talent around. Figure out early which guys aren't going to cut it and trade them to someone else for a player that does fill a need for yourself. Kinda like the Kings did when they grudgingly let us take Teubert off their hands.

The cap crunch is coming? Oh well. It usually does for most good teams. When it comes you bite the bullet and moves someone along. If a GM is making astute trades, and evaluating his prospect pool correctly his team will never be crippled by being forced to deal away good players for cap reasons.

Instead of worrying about the coming cap crunch, why don't we try and put together a playoff caliber squad before Mcdavid gets $12 million and Hall's deal runs out?

I'm not adverse to dealing the pick but I'd prefer to deal one of the pricey forwards to offset the cap add.
I'd like to do both. I think they need to do both.

Kessel has been a much better player than Eberle. His production has been more on par with Hall than Eberle and he's a better goal scorer than Hall even.
I'd say the only reason his value dropped is because of the PR disaster that the Leafs were last season.
Kessel has a couple sweet seasons I'll give him that. Two to be exact. The rest of the time he's been no better than Eberle. He's no defensive specialist either, nor is he particularly gritty. He's also three years older than Eberle, done all his scoring in the East, always seems to be playing ten pounds overweight to me, and has a contract that makes Eberle's look like lunch money. Laugh all you want, but I would not trade Eberle straight up for Kessel.

If all else was equal, I'd prefer Shattenkirk as well but not all else is equal. Hamonic is signed long term to a sweetheart contract and wants to play in this area of the continent while they would only have a year to negotiate with Shattenkirk (an American) which could go either way so for the Oilers, I'd say that Hamonic is the much safer target. Plus he plays a rough and tumble style that the Oilers could really use. Ideally, they could add Hamonic and Vatanen. I'd like Buff short term if not Vatanen but long term, it gets scary.
Yeah, the Oilers have a very poor record with American defensemen. I understand why people are leery. Still, Shattenkirk knows how to run a PP. He could put up a lot of points playing on this squad. Maybe get himself into the conversation for some awards. But yeah, all things being equal Edmonton has a long way to go toward proving itself to be a rehabilitated franchise in the eyes of players wondering where to sign their next longterm deal.
 

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What if the pick is Laine instead of Matthews? Or even Puljujarvi? I don't think RNH is worth Jenner + Rychel. I am not convinced RNH is even worth Jenner. Jenner is an absolute beast this year. Guy oozes leadership, hard work, and is skilled to boot. He is the polar opposite of RNH and they've put up the same amount of points. Can play C if one of McDavid/Drai go down but looks great on the wing too. He is a Chiarelli player through and through.

Rychel is no slouch. Ask Columbus fans about him or watch their games. He's a first round pick and is beginning to show why. Let's say we keep Klef and they keep Murray.

Laine/Puljujarvi, RNH

Chychrun, Jenner, Rychel

That deal makes us better and potentially delivers us the #1 D we NEED for real success in the NHL. We trade away a Laine/Puljujarvi (something we don't need) and a secondary piece in RNH for two wingers we desperately need on our team.
 

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Jones is a #1 D on Columbus now and looking incredible. He was traded for Johansen.

He wasn't a #1D in Nashville (which is why he was available in the first place) and let's maybe wait more than two weeks before declaring he is, hmmm?

As for other teams, I believe Subban could be had for a #1 C and a defensive prospect. Montreal needs a #1 C badly, and they have Markov right now to mentor a very good young player like Nurse or Klefbom coming in. It does not seem out of the realm of possibility for a trade like that to happen.

They just re-signed Subban. He's a heart and soul player for that team, arguably the best D in the league. They aren't trading him. Ever.

OEL to Phoenix for Matthews+ is a possibility as well.

Have to get Matthews first and even then, I don't think they do it.

Anaheim could consider trading Lindholm and keeping Vatanen if someone overpays enough. They need more goal scoring. We are overloaded with "goal scorers".

Lindholm isn't in the same category as some of these other players, I wouldn't trade Drai straight up for him.

Calgary could look into trading Brodie or Giordano.

Brodie is in his prime and locked in for four more years at a very cap friendly rate. He's going nowhere. Gio is the opposite: old and grossly overpaid. Do not want.

Brent Burns could be had for the right price too.

If he's available it's because he's an impending UFA. But I think San Jose re-signs him to anchor the blueline post Thornton/Marleau.

Same with Pietrangelo.

They'll trade Shattenkirk and J Bow before they ever trade Petro. Another one that ain't going no place.

There are guys out there who can be moved for overpayments. Overpayments we are in a beautiful position to be making.

This is just fantasy talk. These trades don't happen. Put them out of your mind and focus on what we can get, like Hamonic or Shattenkirk.
 

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I honestly think they will make the playoffs next year even with mostly the same roster right now if they have better injury luck.

Once McDavid really gets comfortable at an NHL level and Nurse finds his bearings moreso, this is going to be a much, much more difficult team to play against.

Though I'm sure at minimum Chiarelli will make a few moves.
 

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What if the pick is Laine instead of Matthews? Or even Puljujarvi? I don't think RNH is worth Jenner + Rychel. I am not convinced RNH is even worth Jenner. Jenner is an absolute beast this year. Guy oozes leadership, hard work, and is skilled to boot. He is the polar opposite of RNH and they've put up the same amount of points. Can play C if one of McDavid/Drai go down but looks great on the wing too. He is a Chiarelli player through and through.

Rychel is no slouch. Ask Columbus fans about him or watch their games. He's a first round pick and is beginning to show why. Let's say we keep Klef and they keep Murray.

Laine/Puljujarvi, RNH

Chychrun, Jenner, Rychel

That deal makes us better and potentially delivers us the #1 D we NEED for real success in the NHL. We trade away a Laine/Puljujarvi (something we don't need) and a secondary piece in RNH for two wingers we desperately need on our team.

In said scenario, I'd rather just keep Matthews and deal RNH for their Chychrun pick, which they probably would do as they already have Jones and Murray on their blue line, Chychrun would be massively redundant.

Rychel ... meh ... not worth trading like 3-4 good players just to get him in a package.
 

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In said scenario, I'd rather just keep Matthews and deal RNH for their Chychrun pick, which they probably would do as they already have Jones and Murray on their blue line, Chychrun would be massively redundant.

Rychel ... meh ... not work trading like 3-4 good players just to get him in a package.

What do we do after that? We now have McDavid, Matthews, Draisaitl. We now only have Eberle and Yakupov to trade for defencemen. Chychrun is a rookie, does he come in and lead our team?

I have a feeling we would need to be trading Draisaitl or Matthews in a package for a Dman, no?
 

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What do we do after that? We now have McDavid, Matthews, Draisaitl. We now only have Eberle and Yakupov to trade for defencemen. Chychrun is a rookie, does he come in and lead our team?

I have a feeling we would need to be trading Draisaitl or Matthews in a package for a Dman, no?

How many defencemen do you need? Stop looking for short cuts and develop Chychrun, Nurse, and Klefbom, these are all 1st round players in that case. Hell you have Reinhart on top of that for good measure.

Develop your damn core. It's what basically every other team does.

Having McDavid, Matthews, Draisaitl if it comes to that would be a massive blessing as a franchise it's time to stop complaining, there is more than ample talent there.
 

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Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo
Gunnarsson-Shattenkirk

That D group can't get it done in the playoffs. What the hell makes you think the one you just proposed would?

We have had such a pitiful group of D that you guys think good but not great D will be the difference. Hamonic and Shattenkirk would fill huge holes on our team, but they are not good enough players to win you a cup. In my opinion we have the assets to acquire better D and make us overall a better team.

I think getting a top flight Like OEL or Weber is a pipe dream at this point.

To get both, I think you are looking at RNH, Eberle, Reinhart, 2017 1st or 2nd going out the door. Not sure in which deals tho. Not a tremendous amount, but still a steep price (but much needed)

Trade 1: Trade 1st rounder for Shattenkirk and STL 1st rounder. (STL gets a wicked draft pick and sheds Salary)

Trade 2: Purcell for 2nd (purely rental dump)

Trade 3: Eberle + Davidson + 2nd From Purcell Trade for Hamonic and Franz Nielsen (Franz is upcoming UFA, but I am guessing they want to keep him. Might have to have RNH instead of Eberle)

Trade 4: Schultz for 2nd ( I think he would be a better Dman in the east)

Hall - Draisaitl – RNH Had great Chemistry in the Beginning
Pouliot – Mcdavid – Yakupov
Khaira - Nielsen – Kassian
Hendricks – Lander – Pakarinen

Sekera – Hamonic
Klef – Shattenkirk
Nurse – Reinhart
Clendening


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I am dreaming I know. :amazed:
 

duul

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How many defencemen do you need? Stop looking for short cuts and develop Chychrun, Nurse, and Klefbom, these are all 1st round players. Hell you have Reinhart on top of that for good measure.

Develop your damn core. It's what basically every other team does.

Do we keep Chychrun, Nurse, Klefbom, Reinhart, and Sekera? Do we trade one of Drai/Matthews for a RHD or do we instead sign someone?

It is probably that Byfuglien gets resigned in Winnipeg and Hamonic doesn't come to the Oilers. Who the hell do we sign for to fill that spot?
 

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How many defencemen do you need? Stop looking for short cuts and develop Chychrun, Nurse, and Klefbom, these are all 1st round players in that case. Hell you have Reinhart on top of that for good measure.

Develop your damn core. It's what basically every other team does.

Having McDavid, Matthews, Draisaitl if it comes to that would be a massive blessing as a franchise it's time to stop complaining, there is more than ample talent there.

Amen. Acquire some solid D to help with development and shelter them a bit. But focus all you attention on turning Klefbom and Nurse into your Subbans, Keiths and Doughtys. If you are patient enought o wait for Chrychrun, your patient enough to wait for Nurse/Klefbom (who will take shorter to get there)
 

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Do we keep Chychrun, Nurse, Klefbom, Reinhart, and Sekera? Do we trade one of Drai/Matthews for a RHD or do we instead sign someone?

It is probably that Byfuglien gets resigned in Winnipeg and Hamonic doesn't come to the Oilers. Who the hell do we sign for to fill that spot?

Draisaitl and Matthews go no where.

You develop your group, Chychrun, Nurse, Klefbom, Reinhart ... how many more high end defensive prospects do you need?

I'd maybe at best look at perhaps adding a cap dump d-man like a Bouwemeester as a veteran to shelter a bit more, but that's it.

Byfuglien's contract will likely be a huge anchor in 3 years or so, let some other team have that problem.
 

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Do we keep Chychrun, Nurse, Klefbom, Reinhart, and Sekera? Do we trade one of Drai/Matthews for a RHD or do we instead sign someone?

It is probably that Byfuglien gets resigned in Winnipeg and Hamonic doesn't come to the Oilers. Who the hell do we sign for to fill that spot?

Hell yes. You just move Sekera to RHD, hes done it before. Or develop Reinhart in that spot, or even Klefbom

Not hard and fast rule you have to have 1 rightie for every leftie
 

duul

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Well then we better pray Klefbom/Nurse somehow develop into something they've never been projected to be, or we will be lacking a #1 D and McDavid will be commanding 14 mil a year, Hall's contract will be done, and Draisaitl will be getting a huge raise.
 

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I think getting a top flight Like OEL or Weber is a pipe dream at this point.



Trade 1: Trade 1st rounder for Shattenkirk and STL 1st rounder. (STL gets a wicked draft pick and sheds Salary)

Trade 2: Purcell for 2nd (purely rental dump)

Trade 3: Eberle + Davidson + 2nd From Purcell Trade for Hamonic and Franz Nielsen (Franz is upcoming UFA, but I am guessing they want to keep him. Might have to have RNH instead of Eberle)

Trade 4: Schultz for 2nd ( I think he would be a better Dman in the east)

Hall - Draisaitl – RNH Had great Chemistry in the Beginning
Pouliot – Mcdavid – Yakupov
Khaira - Nielsen – Kassian
Hendricks – Lander – Pakarinen

Sekera – Hamonic
Klef – Shattenkirk
Nurse – Reinhart
Clendening


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I am dreaming I know. :amazed:

Id do all those deals. Although not sure NYI would had Nielsen. Maybe drop Davidson + Neilsen. Not sure Schultz gets a 2nd. Maybe Schultz for Hartnell? Toss him in Khairas spot
 

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Draisaitl and Matthews go no where.

You develop your group, Chychrun, Nurse, Klefbom, Reinhart ... how many more high end defensive prospects do you need?

I'd maybe at best look at perhaps adding a cap dump d-man like a Bouwemeester as a veteran to shelter a bit more, but that's it.

Byfuglien's contract will likely be a huge anchor in 3 years or so, let some other team have that problem.

Im not so quick to think Big Buff will fall off the map that soon. Everyone has said Chara would and hes been fine, even if he slows down a bit he will still be a physical force with good puck skills. I would rather bet on a sure thing that will decline over gambling on more what ifs.
 
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