Proposal: Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread: Eberle Speculation

[Raab]

Just from looking at their salary cap situation it would have to be a hockey trade of some sorts, they'll need to push some bodies back on us, they basically have everyone important signed other than Parayko.

The two bodies I see St. Louis most likely wanting to pawn off on us are Lehtera who I think they just don't want at his cap hit or Steen who while a good player for them for quite a while he is showing strong signs of regression, probably a good time to jump ship on him before the rest of the league really notices. They already have 4 solid wingers in Tarasenko, Schwartz, Steen, and Perron; moving out the costly Steen, and pushing Perron to LW again would make some sense to me.

Like titsuple I'd push for Sobotka and I'd also like to give Jaskin a try as a lower end filler, when I watch him I'm always surprised he can't get more points then he actually does. I don' think Sobotka can reasonably be on the table though unless we get some rise in the salary cap if it remains stagnant I don't think that would be manageable for the Blues.

Eberle for Bouwmeester may make some sense after expansion.

 

[Throttlehead]

Doesn't matter his age today and in his last 4 years his cap hit is higher then the real dollars . Cap floor teams love these type of contracts . 4 years from now his real dollars are 5 million at 20% retained which is fair it is a movable contract

I agree, and thats why he should not be an Oiler. Let the 3-4 cap floor teams fight for the bad contract if he waves his NTC to go to one of these teams.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Schmaltz and Lehtera for Eberle would be pretty solid for us. Lehtera's contract kind of sucks, but he's a better player than a guy like Strome today. The only problem is it doesn't really help us on the salary front.

Lehtera is not good anymore. He is apparently extremely slow and hasn't looked good for two years now.

Not the kind of guy I want dumped on us. Again we're worse short term after this deal when we should be chasing Cups.

 

[Captain Controversy]

Puljujarvi + Nurse for Parayko

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Puljujarvi + Nurse for Parayko

Parayko is a pipe dream.
We'd probably have better chance at Pietrangelo. Odds increase to 3%

 

[belair]

Lehtera is not good anymore. He is apparently extremely slow and hasn't looked good for two years now.

Not the kind of guy I want dumped on us. Again we're worse short term after this deal when we should be chasing Cups.

And once again, it's taking a negative value player in order to get a better player in return. Schmaltz is a very good, right shot defensive prospect with still another year of waiver exemption. You don't get him without doing something beneficial for the Blues.

The Jordan Eberle deal isn't going to make the Oilers better on its own. Simply because we're saying goodbye to a significant source of offense and we're not going to get one back.

Lehtera may be a declining asset, slowing down, or turning into a shrunken head. But he's a third line center who won half his faceoffs, has produced well offensively in the past and happens to be from Finland. He is a cap dump in this deal, but he still happens to check some boxes.

Regardless, I don't think the Blues would do it.

 

[North]

And once again, it's taking a negative value player in order to get a better player in return. Schmaltz is a very good, right shot defensive prospect with still another year of waiver exemption. You don't get him without doing something beneficial for the Blues.

The Jordan Eberle deal isn't going to make the Oilers better on its own. Simply because we're saying goodbye to a significant source of offense and we're not going to get one back.

Lehtera may be a declining asset, slowing down, or turning into a shrunken head. But he's a third line center who won half his faceoffs, has produced well offensively in the past and happens to be from Finland. He is a cap dump in this deal, but he still happens to check some boxes.

Regardless, I don't think the Blues would do it.

Here's the thing, this makes it seem like the Oilers have to trade Eberle and take a poison pill back. They don't.

I like Schmaltz but not if he comes with Lehtera.

The Oilers may not get full value for Eberle, but one thing they have to make sure they don't do is get slower.

 

[belair]

Here's the thing, this makes it seem like the Oilers have to trade Eberle and take a poison pill back. They don't.

I like Schmaltz but not if he comes with Lehtera.

The Oilers may not get full value for Eberle, but one thing they have to make sure they don't do is get slower.

Why does it seem like that? The Oilers are going to have to take some salary back one way or another. I agree that extra year on Lehtera is killer but the asset that Schmaltz is fits the Oilers greatest need, which is a quality right pair defenseman.

Teams don't just take on $6m.

 

[Jet Walters]

What's the better scenario if we trade Eberle for a RHD?

1. Pre-expansion draft Eberle + pick for Hamonic. Go 4-4 and lose one of Kassian/Letestu/Reinhart/Khaira. 7.5-8M out assuming Vegas takes Kassian, 3.8 mil in.

2. Eberle to Vegas for a RHD expansion pick with the promise of also selecting Pouliot. Say Alex Petrovic (RFA) who should come in around 3M. 10M out, 3M in.

Curious as to what people would value more.

 

[oobga]

Unfortunately, any RHD that we would want that Vegas gets from their expansion draft will be worth way more than Eberle on the open market. Eberle only has 2 years on his deal. Year 1 for Vegas will just be a mess. Year 2, they have to trade him off as a rental likely.

Vegas really has no obligation to us to trade us a RHD from their draft, they can trade it to anyone with the annoyance of the expansion draft protection gone from everyones mind. Top 4 RHD are very valuable, and odds are that Vegas won't even be able to afford to give one up. It's not like they're gonna be loaded with top 4D after this draft, let alone RHD.

 

[Mr Positive]

What's the better scenario if we trade Eberle for a RHD?

1. Pre-expansion draft Eberle + pick for Hamonic. Go 4-4 and lose one of Kassian/Letestu/Reinhart/Khaira. 7.5-8M out assuming Vegas takes Kassian, 3.8 mil in.

2. Eberle to Vegas for a RHD expansion pick with the promise of also selecting Pouliot. Say Alex Petrovic (RFA) who should come in around 3M. 10M out, 3M in.

Curious as to what people would value more.

I believe that making the team better is more important that tidying up the cap situation, so I prefer option 1. We also don't need to address our cap this year (probably), especially if we get a Dman as great and cheap as Hamonic, while moving out Eberle (even if we retain a little).

 

[belair]

Unfortunately option one probably isn't available.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

And once again, it's taking a negative value player in order to get a better player in return. Schmaltz is a very good, right shot defensive prospect with still another year of waiver exemption. You don't get him without doing something beneficial for the Blues.

The Jordan Eberle deal isn't going to make the Oilers better on its own. Simply because we're saying goodbye to a significant source of offense and we're not going to get one back.

Lehtera may be a declining asset, slowing down, or turning into a shrunken head. But he's a third line center who won half his faceoffs, has produced well offensively in the past and happens to be from Finland. He is a cap dump in this deal, but he still happens to check some boxes.

Regardless, I don't think the Blues would do it.

No he doesn't - Lehtera checking boxes. He was just bad, like Eakin/Bjugstad/Strome were just bad. You love taking bad players on bad deals to try to squeeze good prospects out, and to a point I get it, but I don't like getting worse and crossing my fingers that prospects can make the jump. Your strategy would pay off sometimes but I'm pretty risk averse.

 

[s7ark]

Unless a significant RD is on the table for Eberle there is no point in moving him this summer. Sure, if Hamonic can be gotten then it makes sense. If we're just trying to clear cap space that we don't need to use this year, then it just makes the team worse for next season.

I know on HF his value is near god like status, but, in the real world, I wonder how close Eberle + Nurse + JP could get us to Parayko

 

[Jet Walters]

No he doesn't - Lehtera checking boxes. He was just bad, like Eakin/Bjugstad/Strome were just bad. You love taking bad players on bad deals to try to squeeze good prospects out, and to a point I get it, but I don't like getting worse and crossing my fingers that prospects can make the jump. Your strategy would pay off sometimes but I'm pretty risk averse.

Yup. We're in win now mode. Not take a bad contract and maybe get better in two years" mode.

 

[CupofOil]

Unless a significant RD is on the table for Eberle there is no point in moving him this summer. Sure, if Hamonic can be gotten then it makes sense. If we're just trying to clear cap space that we don't need to use this year, then it just makes the team worse for next season.

I know on HF his value is near god like status, but, in the real world, I wonder how close Eberle + Nurse + JP could get us to Parayko

Nowhere near I would gather. That trade does nothing for them. Their big need is a #1C so unless Draisaitl is on the table, forget about Parayko.

 

[Canovin]

Trading for Parayko is only a possibility if he goes out and ask for a trade to Edmonton

 

[McPuritania]

The trade board is going crazy this morning. MacKinnon for Draisaitl, Nurse, our first...Price for Talbot, Draisaitl, Klefbom, Pulju, while taking back junk contracts....Jesus.

 

[North]

Yup. We're in win now mode. Not take a bad contract and maybe get better in two years" mode.

This is exactly it.

We need players that are going to help this team not hinder it.

 

[North]

The trade board is going crazy this morning. MacKinnon for Draisaitl, Nurse, our first...Price for Talbot, Draisaitl, Klefbom, Pulju, while taking back junk contracts....Jesus.

Price is valuable but not that valuable. Wow.

MacKinnon is a nice player but I wouldn't trade Draisaitl for him one for one much less add to Drai to get him.

 

[Cam98]

You think if we trade Eberle, Oshie would sign in Edmonton?

 

[McPuritania]

Price is valuable but not that valuable. Wow.

MacKinnon is a nice player but I wouldn't trade Draisaitl for him one for one much less add to Drai to get him.

Yeah, it's bonkers over there right now.

You think if we trade Eberle, Oshie would sign in Edmonton?

This'd be a great scenario for me. I'm a big fan of Oshie, and he'd be the perfect Eberle replacement.

 

[booyakasha]

Eberle is better than Oshie. cmon now.

 

[SK13]

Eberle is better than Oshie. cmon now.

Probably comparable players, actually, but Oshie had a much better year and might fit better with McDavid than Eberle has to date.

Plus, Oshie legitimately wins you games almost by himself because of how good he is at the shootout. Probably the single most underrated skill in the NHL today.

 

[booyakasha]

Eberle has 2 years left on his contract, and people want to replace him with a lesser version who you'd have to overpay in $ and term?
makes zero sense.
I thought the whole "get rid of Eberle" was to shed his contract, and peole want pto add a what would be a worse one?