Speculation: Trade Rumors & Roster Building Thread: Part XXVII: Jeff Gorton: A Troubaliever?

[Gardner McKay]

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PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS ORGANIzATION 2016-2017 (46)
NEW YORK RANGERS SQUAD(24)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr|Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status|Team 2016 |Drafted/Acquired |Age 2016
1| F | Brandon Pirri |$1,100,000 |RFA 2017 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #59 Chicago Blackhawks (2009) - signed w/NYR as UFA |25
2| F | Jesper Fast(h) |$950.000 |RFA 2017 |New York Rangers/NHL |R6 #157 NYR (2010) |25
3| F | Oscar Lindberg |$650,000 |RFA 2017 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #57 PHX (2010) - acquired unsigned through trade|25
4| F | Josh Jooris^ |$600,000 |RFA 2017 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted - signed w/NYR as UFA |26
5| D | Adam Clendening |$600.000 |RFA 2017 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #36 Chicago Blackhawks (2011) |24
6| F | J.T. Miller |$2.750.000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #15 NYR (2011) |23
7| F | Mika Zibanejad |$2,625,000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #6 Ottawa Senators (2011) - acquired through trade |23
8| F | Kevin Hayes |$2,600,000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #24 Chicago (2010)- signed w/NYR as UFA |24
9| D | Brady Skjei (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #28 NYR (2012) |22
10| F | Jimmy Vesey (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R3 #66 Nashville (2012)- signed w/NYR as UFA |23
11| D | Kevin Klein |$2,900,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #37 Nashville Predators (2003) - acquired through trade|32
12| D | Nick Holden |$1,650,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted - acquired through trade |29
13| F | Michael Grabner |$1,600,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #14 Vancover Canucks (2006) - signed w/NYR as UFA |29
14| G | Anti Raanta |$1,000,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted - acquired through trade |27
15| F | Pavel Buchnevich (ELC)|$925,000* |RFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R3 #75 NYR (2013) |21
16| F | Rick Nash (NMC) |$7,800,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #1 overall Columbus Blue Jackets (2002) - acquired through trade|32
17| D | Ryan McDonagh |$4,700,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 Montreal (2007) - acquired unsigned through trade|27
18| F | Mats Zuccarello (NTC) |$4,500,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |29
19| D | Dan Girardi (NMC => NTC)|$5,500,000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |32
20| F | Chris Kreider |$4,625,000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #19 NYR (2009) |25
21| G | Henrik Lundqvist (NMC)|$8,500,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R7 #208 NYR (2000) |34
22| F | Derek Stepan (NMC => NTC)|$6,500,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #51 NYR (2008) |26
23| D | Marc Staal (NMC => NTC)|$5,750,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 NYR (2005) |29[/table]

TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $73,000,000
CAP PAYROLL: $69,675,000
CAP PENALTY (for stashing T. Glass in minors): $500,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster - 14 FWDs, 7 D, 2 G): $2,825,000
LTIR: $600,000 (Jooris)
^ - injured and placed on LTIR until mid November

AVERAGE AGE ~ 26.1 years

CONTRACTED BUT ASSIGNED TO AHL/ECHL/ELSEWHERE (22)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status |Team 2016 |Drafted |Age 2016
24|F |Tanner Glass |$1,450,000 |UFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R7 #265 Florida Panthers (2003) - signed w/NYR as UFA |32
25|D |Dylan McIlrath |$800,000 |UFA 2017 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #10 NYR (2010) |24
26|D |Chris Summers |$600.000 |UFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R1 #29 Phoenix Coyotes (2006) |28
27|D |Matt Bodie |$600.000 |UFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |26
28|F |Justin Fontaine |$600.000 |UFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted |29
29|D |Tommy Hughes |$600,000 |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |24
30|F |Adam Chapie (ELC) |$800.000* |RFA 2017 |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |25
31|D |Troy Donnay (ELC) |$716,667* |RFA 2017 |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
32|G |MacKenzie Skapski (ELC)|$661,667* |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R6 #170 NYR (2013) |22
33|D |Calle Andersson (ELC) |$661,667* |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #119 NYR (2012) |22
34|G |Magnus Hellberg |$625,000 |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #38 Nashville (2011) |25
35|F |Marek Hrivik |$600,000 |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |25
36|F |Niklas Jensen |$600,000 |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R1 #29 Vancouver (2011) |23
37|D |Michael Paliotta |$600.000 |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #61 Chicago Blackhawks (2011) |23
38|F |Chris Brown |$575,000 |RFA 2017 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #36 Arizona (2009) |25
39|F |Adam Tambellini (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #65 NYR (2013) |22
40|F |Cristoval Nieves(ELC) |$755.000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #59 NYR (2012) |22
41|F |Steven Fogarty (ELC) |$750.000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #72 NYR (2011) |23
42|F |Malte Strömwall (ELC) |$742.500* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R7 #7198 Calgary(started w NYR) |23
43|D |John Gilmour(ELC) |$633.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #59 NYR (2012) |22
44|D |Ryan Graves (ELC) |$633.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #110 NYR (2013) |21
45|LW |Robin Kovacs (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #62 NYR (2015) |20
46|G |Brandon Halvorsen (ELC)|$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |R2 #59 NYR (2014) |20
(47)|F |Ryan Gropp (ELC-S)¤ |$839.166* |RFA 2020 |Seattle Thunderbirds/WHL |R2 #41 NYR (2015) |20
(48)|D |Sergey Zborovskiy (ELC-S)¤|$734,166 |RFA 2020 |Regina Pats/WHL |R3 #79 NYR (2015) |19
(49)|RW |Michael Joly @ |$?? |AHL deal |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted |21
(50)|LW/D|Ahti Oksanen @ |$??? |AHL deal |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |Undrafted |23
(51)|LW |Matt Carey @ |$?? |AHL deal |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |Undrafted |24
(52)|C |Philip McRae @ |$?? |AHL deal |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #33 St Louis Blues (2008) |26
(53)|D |Spiro Goulakos @ |$?? |AHL deal |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |Undrafted |26
(54)|G |Jeff Malcom @ |$?? |AHL deal |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |Undrafted |27[/table]

* - has additional bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract
¤ - contract can slide if he remains in juniors (Zborovskiy)
@ - signed to an AHL deal with Hartford Wolfpack

PLAYERS STILL UNSIGNED BUT WITH RIGHTS RETAINED BY NYR (11)
[table="head;width=3800]Nr|Position |Player| Team 2016| Height |Weight| Nationality |Shoots|DOB|Drafted
1|G |Igor Shesterkin |St. Petersburg SKA (KHL) |6' 1"| 187 | Russia |L|December 30, 1995 |R4 #118 NYR (2014)
2|D |Tyler Nanne ¤ |Ohio State/NCAA (did not play) |5' 10"|175 | USA |R|March 17, 1996 |R5 #142 NYR (2014)
3|C |Brad Morrison |Prince George/WHL |6' 0"| 160 | Canada |L|January 4, 1997 |R4 #113 NYR (2015)
4|RW |Daniel Bernhardt |London Knights/OHL |6' 3"| 191 | Sweden |L|April 11, 1996 |R4 #119 NYR (2015)
5|G |Adam Huska |Green Bay Gamblers/USHL |6' 3" |191 | Slovakia |L|May 12, 1997 |R7 #184 NYR (2015)
6|D |Sean Day |Mississauga Steelheads/OHL |6' 2" |229 | Belgium/Canada|L|January 9, 1998 |R3 #81 NYR (2016)
7|D |Tarmo Reunanen |TPS U20 (Finland) |6' 0" |180 | Finland |L|March 1, 1998 |R4 #98 NYR (2016)
8|LW/RW |Timothy Gettinger |Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds/OHL|6' 5" |201 | USA |R|April 14, 1998 |R5 #141 NYR (2016)
9|c |Gabriel Fontaine |Rouyn-Noranda Huskies/QMJHL |6' 1" |187 | Canada |L|April 30, 1997 |R6 #171 NYR (2016)
10|G |Tyler Wall |Leamington Flyers/GOJHL |6' 2" |190 | Canada |R|January 14, 1998 |R6 #174 NYR (2016)
11|C |Ty Ronning |Vancouver Giants/WHL |5' 9" |165 | Canada |R|October 20, 1997 |R7 #201 NYR (2016)
(12)|F |Klingberg, Carl |Free agent - rights retained |6' 3" |205 | Sweden |R|January 28, 1991 |R2 #34 Atlanta (2009)[/table]

¤ - injured

2017 DRAFT PICKS (6)

• 1st round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round Florida
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round VAN
• 7th round NYR

• We lost our 2nd round pick to Carolina in the trade for Eric Staal
• We lost our 4th round pick to Colorado in the trade for Nick Holden
• We gained a 4th round pick from Arizona for Keith Yandle - condition was met when he signed a 7 year deal there
• We lost our 6th round pick to Nashville in the trade for Magnus Hellberg
• We gained a 6th round pick from Vancouver when we traded Emerson Etem

2018 DRAFT PICKS (7)

• 1st round NYR
• 2nd round Ottawa
• 2nd round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR

• We gained a 2nd round pick from Ottawa when we traded Derrick Brassard
• We then also lost our 7th round pick to Ottawa in the trade for Mika Zibanejad

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[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

1) Need BBKers chart.

2) This title is lame.

EDIT: much better. Thank you.

 

[Ola]

Just a clarification, if we trade for and sign Trouba, the cap penalty for not signing him before the season start would -- NOT -- give him a higher cap hit for us than the avg AAV for his contract. Like let's say he get 5.5m per for 5 years, his cap hit for us would not be higher than 5.5m. It would be 5.5m, but not less which it normally would be.

Let's say we sign him 60 days into the season and that the season is 180 days (is this the right number?), the cap hit for us would normally only be 120/180 x 5.5m. In other words, normally you can save cap space by signing a RFA late. To prevent teams taking advantage of this by making a habit of always signing RFAs late, there is a mechanism that some call a penalty meant to take away the gain you can make. But while McKenzies math is confusing, it is clear that the penalty only takes away the savings, IE it does not litterary punish a team. The result is just as if the contract had been signed and been on the roster, and hence against the cap, all season.

Just wanted to point this out since there were some misunderstandings in the old thread.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Pretty sure it would be the same as the Lindholm situation? Or is that only if Jets sign him?

If it's the same then the cap hit would be higher in year 1 as a penalty.

 

[GAGLine]

Pretty sure it would be the same as the Lindholm situation? Or is that only if Jets sign him?

If it's the same then the cap hit would be higher in year 1 as a penalty.

It's the same as with Lindholm.

What Ola is saying is that the proration of the cap hit is eliminated.

For simplicity sake, let's say the cap hit is 1 mil and there are 100 days in the season. Normally, that would be $10,000 a day. Let's say 20 days pass before the player signs. That means there are 80 days left at $10,000 a day, which is only an 800k cap hit.

The rule is forcing the cap hit to be 1 mil, but because there is less time to accumulate that amount, the cap hit is actually higher. So it would be $12,500 per day for 80 days, which is a total of 1 mil. Converted to a full year, the cap hit would be 1.25 mil.

I think that's how it's working.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Thread title salvaged!

 

[Irishguy42]

GOAT thread title

 

[Trxjw]

Excellent pun.

Just gotta throw this in here.

 

[n8]

It's the same as with Lindholm.

What Ola is saying is that the proration of the cap hit is eliminated.

For simplicity sake, let's say the cap hit is 1 mil and there are 100 days in the season. Normally, that would be $10,000 a day. Let's say 20 days pass before the player signs. That means there are 80 days left at $10,000 a day, which is only an 800k cap hit.

The rule is forcing the cap hit to be 1 mil, but because there is less time to accumulate that amount, the cap hit is actually higher. So it would be $12,500 per day for 80 days, which is a total of 1 mil. Converted to a full year, the cap hit would be 1.25 mil.

I think that's how it's working.

they don't pro-rate the cap hit by # games played or on the roster? i.e. I thought it would less so say you miss 20% of the season and sign for $5M, you would have a cap hit that year of $4M. Same as how the cap is calculated on a player acquired via trade. AAV certain doesn't change but not sure why it would go up since salary is based off of games and not a season (right?)

 

[Sysreq]

they don't pro-rate the cap hit by # games played or on the roster? i.e. I thought it would less so say you miss 20% of the season and sign for $5M, you would have a cap hit that year of $4M. Same as how the cap is calculated on a player acquired via trade. AAV certain doesn't change but not sure why it would go up since salary is based off of games and not a season (right?)

It's calculated daily. At the end of the season anything "over" becomes a penalty for the next year. So each day you are on the roster you accumulate 1/180th of your cap hit.

 

[GAGLine]

they don't pro-rate the cap hit by # games played or on the roster? i.e. I thought it would less so say you miss 20% of the season and sign for $5M, you would have a cap hit that year of $4M. Same as how the cap is calculated on a player acquired via trade. AAV certain doesn't change but not sure why it would go up since salary is based off of games and not a season (right?)

Cap hit is based on # of days on the roster, not # of games.

If we trade for a player, that player's cap hit is prorated for us as normal, but the rest of the cap was already paid by his old team. This is a special case for RFAs signed after the season starts to avoid any shenanigans I guess.

 

[Mac n Gs]

This thread title is amazing.

 

[Avery16]

So yeah, lets trade Zuccarello, I think that would work out fine for us.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Any trade we make PLEASE include Fast in it.

This guy is so bad and overrated by the coach. He should not be sniffing a top 9 spot on any NHL team yet AV gives him all the ice time in the world. And he isn't even that special defensively either.

 

[jay from jersey]

nah

Any trade we make PLEASE include Fast in it.

This guy is so bad and overrated by the coach. He should not be sniffing a top 9 spot on any NHL team yet AV gives him all the ice time in the world. And he isn't even that special defensively either.

he's a good fourth liner for a million bucks. It's the coach's fault he is on third line over pirri.

this team needs a RD badly. miller+skjei should return an excellent 1

 

[FLYLine27*]

he's a good fourth liner for a million bucks. It's the coach's fault he is on third line over pirri.

this team needs a RD badly. miller+skjei should return an excellent 1

Yes you are right...BUT AV will never use him in that role. We will always have one injury at least and Fast is always going to be the man to move up when he shouldnt.

That is why he needs to be traded. Because AV is a moron.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Can we even trust AV to use a new RHD correctly?


Benching Clendening for "not being efficient with his touches" yet continuing to trot the likes of Holden, Girardi and Staal out there give me no confidence that he will.

 

[Gospel of Prospal]

The MOST I would do is:

JT Miller, Jesper Fast and Ryan Graves for Jacob Trouba.



I think that's fair for both sides.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Can we even trust AV to use a new RHD correctly?


Benching Clendening for "not being efficient with his touches" yet continuing to trot the likes of Holden, Girardi and Staal out there give me no confidence that he will.

Staal has been okay, especially compared to Holden. Even Girardi has been decent, serviceable at least.


Holden is by far the worst defenseman on the team. Clendening was inefficient with his touches? Okay AV, well after the way Holden has looked in 8 games now, why is he playing?

I can't believe they gave up a 4th round pick for this scrub.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

Can't wait to see the **** show pairings on Sunday!

 

[Anthony5967]

Staal has been okay, especially compared to Holden. Even Girardi has been decent, serviceable at least.


Holden is by far the worst defenseman on the team. Clendening was inefficient with his touches? Okay AV, well after the way Holden has looked in 8 games now, why is he playing?

I can't believe they gave up a 4th round pick for this scrub.

I could bite the bullet, just sit him starting now.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I could bite the bullet, just sit him starting now.

Yup, totally agree. Issue is that AV clearly values Holden and I think that to AV, Holden has a guaranteed spot in the lineup.

 

[nevesis]

Please Jeff. Get it done and soon...

 

[aufheben]

Excellent pun.

That's freaky man that's what made me think of it LOL. First crowd surf at one of their shows, ages ago.

Hopefully it all comes to fruition!

 

[Ola]

Any trade we make PLEASE include Fast in it.

This guy is so bad and overrated by the coach. He should not be sniffing a top 9 spot on any NHL team yet AV gives him all the ice time in the world. And he isn't even that special defensively either.

I vote no, and I vote to include Fast's name in the thread title instead.

It's the same as with Lindholm.

What Ola is saying is that the proration of the cap hit is eliminated.

For simplicity sake, let's say the cap hit is 1 mil and there are 100 days in the season. Normally, that would be $10,000 a day. Let's say 20 days pass before the player signs. That means there are 80 days left at $10,000 a day, which is only an 800k cap hit.

The rule is forcing the cap hit to be 1 mil, but because there is less time to accumulate that amount, the cap hit is actually higher. So it would be $12,500 per day for 80 days, which is a total of 1 mil. Converted to a full year, the cap hit would be 1.25 mil.

I think that's how it's working.

Thanks, I should delete my post and just quote yours instead.

In essence, we don't get a penalty, the result is that we don't get a bargain like we would if we traded for or signed a player after the season started.

Remember also that there is a cumulative effect to this. Like lets say a team has 2m of cap space and had a RFA to sign, that it will take 1m to sign.

If they made the negotiation drag out 30 days into the season (the season being 160 days), that is 1/8. On the 31 day of the season, they would have 2,285,000 of accrued cap space, i.e. be able to take on a player with a cap hit of 2,285,000, and the cap hit of the contract -- without this mechanism -- would be 150/180 x 1m = 830k.

So it could definitely be exploited. With this mechanism, for the avoidance of doubt, you still accrue cap space but the cap hit of the RFA signed is 1m not 830k.