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Big Church Bells
are there any CREDIBLE sources talking about our team's involvement? I've only seen unreliable sources and pages claiming they know but don't.
I don't understand how you can get rid of Nash and Zucc to "recoup assets" and think the team will be better.
Unless you are moving them in a Brass for Zibb type deal, but honestly that was such a good trade I really don't think its easy to expect a move like that again.
Miller will be better than Silfverberg and Montour looks at best a second-pairing. Not even there yet. This isn't even a lateral trade.
Miller is barely better than Silfverberg now, how much more do you think he's going to develop?
and Montour is a great prospect, on what basis can you declare he looks "second pairing at best"?
I don't understand how you can get rid of Nash and Zucc to "recoup assets" and think the team will be better.
Unless you are moving them in a Brass for Zibb type deal, but honestly that was such a good trade I really don't think its easy to expect a move like that again.
It isn't always about being better today.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Not one player away but not as far away as HF thinks.
Right, but he is saying that the team will be better next season without them. I don't understand how. It's like a player becomes 29-30 years old and they automatically become expendable like they can be replaced without any issue.
Zuccarello would be missed tremendously if he is dealt away.
I don't think Gorton is in win-now mode, I think he's in win-in-the-relatively-near-future mode.Which I can certainly agree with. What I don't agree with is that every deal this team makes has to be for "the now" because we're back to being in "win now" mode.
Other players become available. Or Gorton can re-allocate assets and go heavy after, say Shattenkirk.
So as an example:
To ANA:
Zuccarello + Fast + Glass (in AHL)
To NYR:
Silfverberg + Vatanen
At deadline:
To STL:
Rick Nash
To NYR:
STL 1st + Rattie
To EDM:
Klein
To NYR:
EDM 2nd '17 + EDM 2nd '18
In the off-season:
Rangers sign Shattenkirk to 6 years deal worth 6 million/season
Rangers buy-out Girardi
Las Vegas takes Raanta in expansion
New Rangers team:
Kreider-Zib-Buch
Vesey-Stepan-Silfverberg
Miller-Hayes-Rattie
Lindberg-Nieves-Grabner
_______
McDonagh-Shattenkirk
Staal-Vatanen
Skjei-_______
Holden
That forward group without Nash and Zucc looks much less threatening.
I don't want to move Zucc as he is one of my favorites, but in a deal like that I probably would have to accept it. Doubt the Ducks give us Vatanen AND a replacement forward, though. But who knows.
Would be insane if Zib and Silfverberg are both on this team as future pieces. After we beat the Sens in 2012 I took a liking to many of their players and have watched them a lot since. Zib and Silfverberg were two of my favorites.
You put together some good trades there but we obviously don't know what the other club would think about those.
I guess the only thing I could say is that Zucc cannot be dealt to "recoup assets". The Zucc deal you proposed is a hockey trade, as you know. I would only be open to moving Zucc in that type of trade.
I don't think Gorton is in win-now mode, I think he's in win-in-the-relatively-near-future mode.
An aside: Hank can't be the crux of the Rangers' window. If he's their best player they will likely not be good enough to win a Cup. They need to build a team that can win with a decent starter. The last team that won with a goalie stealing the show was 2011 with Tim Thomas, and Bergeron and Chara were elite players (Bergeron still is). I don't want to hear about Quick's Conn Smythe that team steamrolled their way through the playoffs like I've never seen before.