Speculation: Trade Proposal Thread v6

[calder candidate]

If Markov is traded by himself or in a package deal it better be for someone like Teravainen from the blackhawks or Samuel Morin from the Flyers,most likely he will be traded to the Kings they need him the most their powerplay is near the bottom of the league,do not trade him to Anaheim their 1st round pick will probably be 27-30th overall.

Markov would bring back a minimum of a prospect and a pick, who ever them him (CHI, LA or ANA) will end up pick 27-30th. I would ask for Hagg before Morin if I were dealing him to PHI... I don't see CHI paying for Markov, LA and ANA could both use him SJ, CBJ maybe WAS could be the other team where he would have the most impact.
Eveyone of these team have good prospect and having Markov would either get them in the playoff or able them to get futher but the trade would need to be at the deadline since Montreal need to secure a playoff spot, Mtl can't lose playoff money.

 

[habitue*]

If Markov is traded by himself or in a package deal it better be for someone like Teravainen from the blackhawks or Samuel Morin from the Flyers,most likely he will be traded to the Kings they need him the most their powerplay is near the bottom of the league,do not trade him to Anaheim their 1st round pick will probably be 27-30th overall.

I want Mantha for Markov.

 

[yianik]

We have a good core whose contracts are ticking away. We should be aiming to add those missing pieces for our own Cup run and ideally targeting youngish roster players who could be part of a Cup run. So, if Anaheim is really going all in for a Cup and really needs a guy like Markov ( making no comment whether we should trade Markov, just if we were what we ought to be seeking ) then we tell them we want Silfverberg, who they have done quite nicely without as he has missed about half their games. That would give us a talented RW just in his prime. That is a high price for them to pay, but I don't see any guys of Markovs caliber available out there and you only get a few chances for a Cup, so if Anaheim is going for it, they make the trade.

 

[Brainiac]

Subban for PAP, prospects and picks...

I'm laughing... but also slightly feeling something remotely looking like worriness.

Who would possibly consider that this move is defensible? Of course except Habsterix, who will say that we should wait and see.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

if we dealt PK can we offer sheet him during the summer?

Almost every trade that involves an impending R/UFA hinges upon the person signing some kind of contract (and if not, there's usually "future considerations" or compensation) with their new team. So typically, you'd have to trade to get them back.

 

[PricerStopDaPuck]

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher
Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Parenteau
Mcginn-Eller-Briere
Prust-Bournival-Moen
Gorges-Subban
Emelin-????
Beaulieu/Tinordi-Pateryn

Would be a decent line up going into next season. A deal that would be intresting is Markov,Bourque for Parenteau Mcginn. Hopefully Therrien uses Briere properly or we trade him. We need a 2nd pairing RHD

 

[Monctonscout]

I want Mantha for Markov.

Hell no, I would want a lot more. Mantha is too risky. I think the value of having Markov here far outweighs a trade like that. Markov will make Beaulieu Tinordi and other young d-men better...and still have trade value in 2-3 years if he is expendable.

Markov would bring back a minimum of a prospect and a pick, who ever them him (CHI, LA or ANA) will end up pick 27-30th. I would ask for Hagg before Morin if I were dealing him to PHI... I don't see CHI paying for Markov, LA and ANA could both use him SJ, CBJ maybe WAS could be the other team where he would have the most impact.
Eveyone of these team have good prospect and having Markov would either get them in the playoff or able them to get futher but the trade would need to be at the deadline since Montreal need to secure a playoff spot, Mtl can't lose playoff money.

The prospect would have to be a high end one, a guy almost ready to step in and be a top 6 guy. Losing Markov would leave a gaping hole.

Brian WIlde from CTV is reporting that Chris Stewart could be available.

BrianWilde ‏@BWildeCTV 2m
Lot of chatter for Chris Stewart. Habs could use him. 6 foot 2. Age 26. Consistent goal scorer. Getting 5 mins ice. 4th line. 4.15 mil cap.

It's really an enigma, a guy who plays with the same passion/game as Bourque but with a lot more offensive tools. Could be interesting to get him, can fight heavyweight and play on a 2nd line, pretty much what the Nucks want Kassian to become, but so inconsistent contrary to what Brian Wilde says in his tweet.

He isn't what I'd call consistant. He's actually the opposite of consistant...

11-12 15-15-30 in 79 games
12-13 18-18-36 in 48 games
13-14 15-10-25 in 52 games

Jeckyl and Hyde.

Disagree. Waste of hockey I.Q. and potential ice coverage. You'll see what I mean soon enough. I know what you're seeing when you make the Pacioretty connection, but there's so, so, so much more to MacKinnon's game than Max's.

I don't find MacKinnon has great IQ, compared to guys like Toews Drouin Crosby etc who are excelptionnal. To me his strengths are skating and hands. He's a more gritty version of Kessel, not a guy that will play center and turn a 20 goal scorer into a 30 goal scorer...

Why would he want to come back if he was traded ?

Agreed, that makes NO sense.

 

[Monctonscout]

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher
Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Parenteau
Mcginn-Eller-Briere
Prust-Bournival-Moen
Gorges-Subban
Emelin-????
Beaulieu/Tinordi-Pateryn

Would be a decent line up going into next season. A deal that would be intresting is Markov,Bourque for Parenteau Mcginn. Hopefully Therrien uses Briere properly or we trade him. We need a 2nd pairing RHD

I would want A LOT more than Parenteau(dump) and McGinn for Markov, that would be highway robbery.

 

[bhuya71]

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher
Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Parenteau
Mcginn-Eller-Briere
Prust-Bournival-Moen
Gorges-Subban
Emelin-????
Beaulieu/Tinordi-Pateryn

Would be a decent line up going into next season. A deal that would be intresting is Markov,Bourque for Parenteau Mcginn. Hopefully Therrien uses Briere properly or we trade him. We need a 2nd pairing RHD

So we take our PP QB and one of our best offensive dman and bring his value down by adding Bourque so we can add a player who we don't necessarily need albeit a top 6 forward and a 3rd liner?

Sounds GREAT! >

Honestly I think Bergy needs to assess if we go all in this year (which I don't think we do) or we go for it starting in 2015 (imo) which gives us one more year i.e. next year for Chuckie to grow into a top 6 CENTRE and lose pieces that are detrimental to the lineup or easier to trade.

Therefore I would try to trade Markov to acquire a future top 6 winger and possibly even trade pleks to acquire a top 4 RHD.

That plugs our two big holes and will allow us to compete in 2015 with a lineup of:

Patch-Galch-RW(Markov trade)/Gally
UFA/Prospect-Eller-Gally/RW(Markov trade)/Prospect
Prust-De la Rose-Bournival
Moen-White-UFA/Prospect

Subban-Brolieu/Tinner
Emelin-RHD (Pleks trade)/Gorges
Gorges-Pateryn/UFA

Price
Tokarski/Boods

3 moves to help us contend:
Markov for a top 6 RW + preferably
Pleks for a top 4 RHD +
UFA top 6 winger within the next two years

Plug a depth dman and a bottom 6 pk/faceoff specialist and it seems a lot better to me than what we may have now...Just a thought

EDIT: IF both Tinordi and Beaulieu become top 4 dman we may not even need to trade Pleks... :O

 

[PricerStopDaPuck]

I would want A LOT more than Parenteau(dump) and McGinn for Mrakov, that would be highway robbery.

Last year he had 43 points in 48 games he is far from a dump.

 

[PricerStopDaPuck]

So we take our PP QB and one of our best offensive dman and bring his value down by adding Bourque so we can add a player who we don't necessarily need albeit a top 6 forward and a 3rd liner?

Sounds GREAT! >

Honestly I think Bergy needs to assess if we go all in this year (which I don't think we do) or we go for it starting in 2015 (imo) which gives us one more year i.e. next year for Chuckie to grow into a top 6 CENTRE and lose pieces that are detrimental to the lineup or easier to trade.

Therefore I would try to trade Markov to acquire a future top 6 winger and possibly even trade pleks to acquire a top 4 RHD.

That plugs our two big holes and will allow us to compete in 2015 with a lineup of:

Patch-Galch-RW(Markov trade)/Gally
UFA/Prospect-Eller-Gally/RW(Markov trade)/Prospect
Prust-De la Rose-Bournival
Moen-White-UFA/Prospect

Subban-Brolieu/Tinner
Emelin-RHD (Pleks trade)/Gorges
Gorges-Pateryn/UFA

Price
Tokarski/Boods

3 moves to help us contend:
Markov for a top 6 RW + preferably
Pleks for a top 4 RHD +
UFA top 6 winger within the next two years

Plug a depth dman and a bottom 6 pk/faceoff specialist and it seems a lot better to me than what we may have now...Just a thought

EDIT: IF both Tinordi and Beaulieu become top 4 dman we may not even need to trade Pleks... :O

To many rookie dmen. Subban is in the wrong side and DLR isn't near ready yet. All and all I don't agree with your ideal lineup.

 

[habitue*]

I would want A LOT more than Parenteau(dump) and McGinn for Mrakov, that would be highway robbery.

So you would not want a big 25 y old winger who can hit + a proven offensive 30 y.old rw for a 35 year old, about to be UFA like Markov ?

At some point you have to create space for Beaulieu, Emelin and Tinordi on the left side.

This team needs forwards. Gionta might be gone by next July. And tell me that you want to keep Bourque and Briere, seriously ?

 

[bhuya71]

To many rookie dmen. Subban is in the wrong side and DLR isn't near ready yet. All and all I don't agree with your ideal lineup.

This is in 2015 as I wrote...and I'm not great with D sides off the top of my head...

It gives Bergevin enough time to get the right pieces and not all necessarily in one season.

 

[PricerStopDaPuck]

This is in 2015 as I wrote...and I'm not great with D sides off the top of my head...

The 15-16 season? Yeah I think that may work if DLR develops good. The deal I suggested would be better if a 2nd pick is coming back?

 

[bhuya71]

The 15-16 season? Yeah I think that may work if DLR develops good. The deal I suggested would be better if a 2nd pick is coming back?

Obviously I'm no GM and your proposal has merit. I just think personally losing Markov for anything less than a future top 6 winger isn't worth it and by that I mean someone young RFA winger. It's asking for a lot but I think keeping Markov barring a good young player coming back who can plug a hole in our line up.

Parenteau will slow down in a few years and he doesn't have much upside.

I'd rather get cheap talent on the cusp of being in the bigs as opposed to a high pick (1st or 2nd) that may never pan out.

I'm thinking of a rakell, etem, toffoli, silfverberg. Young top 6's that we can grow our core with. Other than that I think we're better off with Markov instead.

This is one thing I'd like to see from Bergevin is he good enough to convince another GM to let go of great piece? He seemed like he had a good feel for it during the Ryder trade but his subsequent signings showed that it may not have been the case.

 

[Monctonscout]

Last year he had 43 points in 48 games he is far from a dump.

Tell that to Colorado, they are trying to dump him.

So you would not want a big 25 y old winger who can hit + a proven offensive 30 y.old rw for a 35 year old, about to be UFA like Markov ?

At some point you have to create space for Beaulieu, Emelin and Tinordi on the left side.

This team needs forwards. Gionta might be gone by next July. And tell me that you want to keep Bourque and Briere, seriously ?

Just because I would want McGinn and Markov might be a UFA doesn't mean it'[s a good trade.

The values are far apart. Beforte trading Markov for a 3rd line winger I re-sign him and keep him, even at an overpayment.

Space will be created with Diaz Bouillon and Possibly Murray being gone next year. If the guys you name end up real good and force their way up, then make a trade. Too many good d-men is a luxury not a problem.

If we can sign Markov pretty cheap for 3 years, nothing says he can't be moved in 1-2 years for a nice return. D-men with skill are always in demand. Heck Chicago managed to trade Campbell with a ridiculous contract coming off a ****** 27 point year.

 

[417]

I'd love for Habs to acquire Chris Stewart (his father and family are huge Habs fans) but I think there are some serious red flags around him IMO.

Something just isn't right, the size/talent package that he brings and how he's already fallen out of favor with 1 team and now apparently another, just makes me think their may be an issue when it comes to motivation for him

I'd love to get him, but not at any price...because some sings point to him being another 'Rene Bourque' type of player.

 

[Dagistitsyn]

I'd love for Habs to acquire Chris Stewart (his father and family are huge Habs fans) but I think there are some serious red flags around him IMO.

Something just isn't right, the size/talent package that he brings and how he's already fallen out of favor with 1 team and now apparently another, just makes me think their may be an issue when it comes to motivation for him

I'd love to get him, but not at any price...because some sings point to him being another 'Rene Bourque' type of player.

Yeah, but a better Rene Bourque. Also, he has the "i'll whoop your ass" factor. Not only is he a more than capable 30 goal scorer, he has a real mean streak. Something we could use in our top 6. Especially since we have the smallest RW's in the league.

He's a streaky scorer (most are, otherwise everyone would be superstars) , much like Pacioretty. Scores in bunches.. but when he's on, he's exactly what we need.

 

[Smokey Thompson]

I'd love for Habs to acquire Chris Stewart (his father and family are huge Habs fans) but I think there are some serious red flags around him IMO.

Something just isn't right, the size/talent package that he brings and how he's already fallen out of favor with 1 team and now apparently another, just makes me think their may be an issue when it comes to motivation for him

I'd love to get him, but not at any price...because some sings point to him being another 'Rene Bourque' type of player.

He does have that Bourque-esque lazy reputation, but on the other hand he's put up points every season, goes to the net, and will fight anyone.

He has 1 season left on his contract. If he's a huge disappointment we can just let him go but may be worth the risk.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Tell that to Colorado, they are trying to dump him.




Just because I would want McGinn and Markov might be a UFA doesn't mean it'[s a good trade.

The values are far apart. Beforte trading Markov for a 3rd line winger I re-sign him and keep him, even at an overpayment.

Space will be created with Diaz Bouillon and Possibly Murray being gone next year. If the guys you name end up real good and force their way up, then make a trade. Too many good d-men is a luxury not a problem.

If we can sign Markov pretty cheap for 3 years, nothing says he can't be moved in 1-2 years for a nice return. D-men with skill are always in demand. Heck Chicago managed to trade Campbell with a ridiculous contract coming off a ****** 27 point year.

Markov would garner a king's ransom at the deadline. Not because I'm bias and I think he would be because that what history at the deadline says what happens.

In the past some of the returns for older vets have been ridiculously good. 1st rounders, top prospects etc are common place. Murray fetched 2 2nd rounders alone and Gaustad got a 1st!

As far as Markov goes, I wouldn't be averse to signing him but I think we'd be better off in the long run if we did trade him for top picks and prospects.

At this point of the Habs development, we're not going to compete for a Cup anytme soon. It's not fair to Markov or the Habs to have him linger around. Why not break the bank on the future of the Habs and move on. It's what all good teams do to remain competitive. Last thing I want to do is become a vancouver and be locked into long term contracts with older players you can't trade.

 

[gusfring]

Tell that to Colorado, they are trying to dump him.

Kind of like how we are trying to dump, Diaz, no?

 

[JuicyHam]

Kind of like how we are trying to dump, Diaz, no?

It is like but not the same.

 

[DAChampion]

A few years ago, I think it was the 2011 trade deadline, Tomas Kaberle garnered a 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, and then decent former first round prospect Joe Colbourne.

As a comparison, would you trade Markov to Pittsburgh for Simon Depres, a 1st rounder, and a 2nd rounder?

 

[JuicyHam]

A few years ago, I think it was the 2011 trade deadline, Tomas Kaberle garnered a 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, and then decent former first round prospect Joe Colbourne.

As a comparison, would you trade Markov to Pittsburgh for Simon Depres, a 1st rounder, and a 2nd rounder?

It sounds just as ridiculous. Maybe if Pittsburgh has no other options.

 

[DAChampion]

It sounds just as ridiculous. Maybe if Pittsburgh has no other options.

Isn't Markov what Pittsburgh needs?