Speculation: Trade Ideas and Free Agency XXVII

[Bazeek]

I thought I read Ennis would be a cheap 1/3 (instead of 2/3) buyout because of his age. If that's the case, don't see why he wouldn't just stick around and be bought out next summer.

I don't think so, unless the buyout rules have changed since this article was written?

What about cost?

The cost is either 1/3 or 2/3 of the remaining salary, averaged out over twice as many years that were left on the contract. This is determined by the age of the player at the time of the buyout - if they are under 26, they get 1/3, if they are 26 or older they get 2/3.
It is worth mentioning that any salary slide on the remaining years goes out the window. If a 26+ player has a year at $4.2m and a year at $3.6m left, they don't get $1.4m, $1.4m, $1.2m, $1.2m - they get $1.3m in each of the 4 years.

 

[57special]

Ennis is being paid ONLY 3.65M both this year and next, though his cap hit is 4.6M.

Yeah for Leipold. Boo for actual hockey.

 

[kfan22]

I thought I read Ennis would be a cheap 1/3 (instead of 2/3) buyout because of his age. If that's the case, don't see why he wouldn't just stick around and be bought out next summer.

He has some value I would rather trade him than buyout

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He has some value I would rather trade him than buyout

Does he?

 

[Bazeek]

Does he?

Maybe if he stays healthy this year and we give him a bunch of powerplay time he'd build some value by the end of the season? If he stays on his current trajectory I can't imagine he has any.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

I would trade him for any 7th in any year. Or for nothing

 

[nt3005]

Does he?

Only two forwards have looked good. Also playing on a new team, for a new coach, with a new system normally takes some time. And the constant line shuffling makes that harder to create chemistry. The new guys have more of an excuse than the players who have been here for years and can't pull it together.

 

[2Pair]

Does he?

no

 

[2Pair]

Only two forwards have looked good. Also playing on a new team, for a new coach, with a new system normally takes some time. And the constant line shuffling makes that harder to create chemistry. The new guys have more of an excuse than the players who have been here for years and can't pull it together.

The guys that have been here for years look terrible because they're being forced to play with the new guys.

 

[2Pair]

How about Ennis to Pittsburgh for Cole? Not sure Pittsburgh would do this though

What about Foligno for Cole? Let Cole walk at the end of the year and Buyout Ennis, and just pretend last summer never happened.

 

[Bazeek]

What about Foligno for Cole? Let Cole walk at the end of the year and Buyout Ennis, and just pretend last summer never happened.

Penguins fans seemed down for it and I can't say that I'd mind it. It seems unrealistic though.

 

[2Pair]

Penguins fans seemed down for it and I can't say that I'd mind it. It seems unrealistic though.

It would require Fletcher to admit to what everybody else already knows. Last summers trade was brutal.
FTR- I think I would offer the same trade for Prosser just to get rid of Foligno.

 

[Bazeek]

So it sounds like Buffalo is open for business. Any interest in some buy-low depth options? Maybe a 4th + Stewart for Girgensons? Make it juicier if they'll take Ennis instead

Really though, Botterill is going to have to go off like the 4th of July at some point between now and next season. It'll be entertaining to watch, if nothing else.

Edit: Crap, I meant to post this in the Trade thread and ended up here somehow.

 

[Wild11MN]

Scandella and Pominville for Ennis and Foligno?

 

[Bazeek]

Scandella and Pominville for Ennis and Foligno?

Knew that was gonna happen

 

[57special]

Scandella and Pominville for Ennis and Foligno?

We'll throw in a 4th, too.

Funny thing is that Scandella has been their best Dman, and Poms has been good, too. No one in BUF is complaining about them.

 

[Wild11MN]

We'll throw in a 4th, too.

Funny thing is that Scandella has been their best Dman, and Poms has been good, too. No one in BUF is complaining about them.

Well look at Scandella's competition for playing time. He was playing with Justin Falk (yes, the BAD one) on the first pairing for a little while. Pominville only had 5 goals in the first 41 games of the season last year (the entire first half).

It's not to say we couldn't use both of them, but some people are exaggerating their impact last year (not saying you personally).

 

[Bazeek]

We'll throw in a 4th, too.

Funny thing is that Scandella has been their best Dman, and Poms has been good, too. No one in BUF is complaining about them.

In the games I've seen, both players have looked about like they did on Minnesota. The biggest difference is that there's almost no supporting cast. Scandella hasn't just been their best defender, he's been their only top4 defender for most of the year. Pominville stands out a little more than he did here mostly because the entire team seems to have had their wills broken. Only the guys that weren't in Buffalo last year seem to have any fire to them. Scandella and Pominville stand out mostly because they're functional NHL players on a team full of problems.

 

[Minnesota]

Not sure we're in the position to be buyers yet... Although, I'm on board for any plan that gets Ennis off the team.

 

[Bazeek]

Not sure we're in the position to be buyers yet... Although, I'm on board for any plan that gets Ennis off the team.

Yeah, we're definitely not buyers, but I'd be open to any opportunistic moves we can make. Especially something like moving later picks to upgrade the bottom 6 somewhat. I'm not sure that Girgensons is really that, but he seems like he might bounce back in the right situation. Plus he's relatively young and cheap.

Realistically though we shouldn't be making any moves. I'm plenty happy just getting rid of Quincey.

 

[2Pair]

Scandella and Pominville for Ennis and Foligno?

I would do it for just one of Pommer or Scandella. Although, after last summer I would hope that Fletcher isn't allowed to talk to Buffalo anymore.

 

[57special]

I've watched about a few BUF games this year, and Scandella has looked quite good. Poised, considering the conditions he is playing under. His breakout passes are on the tape, and his puck retrieval and movement before the first pass has also been good. Defending has been decent, though sometimes they just get overwhelmed back there. Only place where I don't see him assert himself if offensively. He looks a little bit like Brodin, but to be fair to Scandella, they desperately need a guy who can play solid D, not some knucklehead who thinks he is Bobby Orr.

Poms doesn't stand out at all , but he gets his points.

 

[Al Lagoon]

You see what you wanna see. Like Scandella, but he has been on a downswing since 14-15. At 4 million per, that matters.

 

[Wabit]

So it sounds like Buffalo is open for business. Any interest in some buy-low depth options? Maybe a 4th + Stewart for Girgensons? Make it juicier if they'll take Ennis instead

It would take more than that for Grigs (really only the 4th round pick). Stewie has no value for Buffalo as a rental. Ennis would cost us to get rid of them. Buffalo doesnt really need Ennis, Moulson, and Pommer eating up ~$15m of their cap next year.

Girgensons was who I wanted instead of Foligno. It's a trade with Buffalo, so Wild's 2nd rounder?

 

[57special]

You see what you wanna see. Like Scandella, but he has been on a downswing since 14-15. At 4 million per, that matters.

I wanna see Ennis contribute like a middle six NHL'er with an offensive game. Why am I not seeing it?