Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - LI

[grimmel95]

And Soucy and Cole

do you really feel 2 bottom 3 pairing guys on this defense is really going to make or break our season?

 

[Spurgeon]

do you really feel 2 bottom 3 pairing guys on this defense is really going to make or break our season?

I think losing half of our Top 6 could definitely impact their play, yes.

 

[HotDish]

I think losing half of our Top 6 could definitely impact their play, yes.

if we were going to lose half of our top 6 it is a good thing we lost the bottom half though eh?

 

[Sota Popinski]

Probably more than we think. He has a very friendly cap hit with control for a middle 6 center. I think you’ll have to give up a first+. I saw on a capfriendly AZ fans wanting to do Greenway & 1st for Dvorak & 2nd.

While I think that is fair,I know many fans not wanting to give up a first. Maybe Greenway &2nd for Dvorak?

Not that Paul Bissonnette has the credentials of an NHL scout, but he says that he sees Dvorak as a great 3C on a contending team. Given his bias towards Coyotes players and the amount of Dvorak's games he has watched, I tend to take him at his word. I don't think it's worth it to give up Greenway and a 1st for what I would view as a slight upgrade over Rask.

 

[grimmel95]

I think losing half of our Top 6 could definitely impact their play, yes.

We still have Spurg, Brodin and Dumba and Goligoski essentially replaces Suter's minutes. I believe Goligoski will put up more pts and help us more on the PP than what Suter did. Defensively I think Suter is slightly better than Goligoski but Goligoski is more mobile and plays a heavier game than Suter. I'm not really worried about the bottom 2 guys on our D and they are more or less replaceable and I think Guerin was able to do that.

I'm more worried about actually getting a top 6 center in here to help Kaprisov and Fiala reach the next level in there play. Tired of watching Rask fumble every pass or whiff on most of his shots.

 

[grimmel95]

Not that Paul Bissonnette has the credentials of an NHL scout, but he says that he sees Dvorak as a great 3C on a contending team. Given his bias towards Coyotes players and the amount of Dvorak's games he has watched, I tend to take him at his word. I don't think it's worth it to give up Greenway and a 1st for what I would view as a slight upgrade over Rask.

The bolded part has me believing you're trolling us with that comment right?

 

[AKL]

Dvorak would be a big upgrade over Rask, but he also actually is just a pretty average middle six 6. He's gotta be one of the more overrated players in the league. He would be our second best center, which would be nice, but too many people think there's untapped 70 point potential in him for some reason.

 

[keppel146]

Not that Paul Bissonnette has the credentials of an NHL scout, but he says that he sees Dvorak as a great 3C on a contending team. Given his bias towards Coyotes players and the amount of Dvorak's games he has watched, I tend to take him at his word. I don't think it's worth it to give up Greenway and a 1st for what I would view as a slight upgrade over Rask.

3c on a contender means a lot though. Like sure even Winnipeg has Scheifele and PLD. So 3c makes perfect sense.

 

[Wasted Talent]

Dvorak's even strength production had him tied with Bjugstad and Rask last season. That combined with the hefty price tag Yotes fans seem to be placing on him makes me wary of a trade

 

[GuerinUp]

im against trading for dvorak, much like i was against signing danault. If youre going to give up assets or a bunch of money it should be for a offensively gifted center. Otherwise just be patient.

 

[AKL]

im against trading for dvorak, much like i was against signing danault. If youre going to give up assets or a bunch of money it should be for a offensively gifted center. Otherwise just be patient.

This is largely where I'm at at this point. Dvorak likely can't be had without giving up a 1st+, and where we stand right now for the next several years, it doesn't make sense to trade that kind of package for that guy.

That said, giving up something like Greenway+3rd, where it doesn't really hurt us going forward, would be fine with me.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Rather get Schmaltz for ~60% of the cost (it seems).

 

[Sota Popinski]

The bolded part has me believing you're trolling us with that comment right?

I'm not high on Rask, but we don't need another 3C. We need top 6 centers and if they aren't I don't see any point in giving something up to get them.

 

[keppel146]

If we aren’t trading for Hertl or close, let’s just tank for Geekie, Cooley, Savoie or McGroarty.

 

[kfan22]

Just get Eichel already

 

[Bazeek]

Just get Eichel already

It's hard to see a path forward there after opting for arbitration with Fiala, if there ever was one.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

When you adjust for ice time, Fiala has outscored Eichel in the last two seasons by 12 goals and 5 points. Jack managed to play an extra 100 minutes even with all of his time missed last season. Just food for thought when it comes to their contracts.

Player Comparison: Jack Eichel vs. Kevin Fiala | Stathead.com

 

[HotDish]

When you adjust for ice time, Fiala has outscored Eichel in the last two seasons by 12 goals and 5 points. Jack managed to play an extra 100 minutes even with all of his time missed last season. Just food for thought when it comes to their contracts.

Player Comparison: Jack Eichel vs. Kevin Fiala | Stathead.com

So Fiala should get 10mil?

 

[57special]

So Fiala should get 10mil?

12M.

 

[57special]

Rather get Schmaltz for ~60% of the cost (it seems).

He makes almost 6M AAV for 5 more years, on a back loaded contract, with mediocre production. Awful on FO's.

 

[Bazeek]

He makes almost 6M AAV for 5 more years, on a back loaded contract, with mediocre production. Awful on FO's.

Not to advocate too strongly for Schmaltz, but if any team can take on backloaded contracts it's the one with $15m in dead cap space for 2 straight seasons.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He makes almost 6M AAV for 5 more years, on a back loaded contract, with mediocre production. Awful on FO's.

Yep. Imperfect.

 

[AKL]

And Dvorak has never scored more than 38 points while being given 1C opportunities, so it's not like you can't miss with him making 4.5M for the next four years.

 

[TaLoN]

I think losing half of our Top 6 could definitely impact their play, yes.

I find it odd you call it a top 6, when you literally just play 6 in a given game.

That's like calling our forwards the top 12. It doesn't make much sense.

As for what we lost? We lost 1 top 4 defenseman. A good one, which is why our top 4 likely won't be elite anymore.

We lost 2 bottom pair defensemen. Luckily the bottom pair can be sheltered and get limited minutes, so not nearly as big of a problem.

 

[Spurgeon]

I find it odd you call it a top 6, when you literally just play 6 in a given game.

That's like calling our forwards the top 12. It doesn't make much sense.

As for what we lost? We lost 1 top 4 defenseman. A good one, which is why our top 4 likely won't be elite anymore.

We lost 2 bottom pair defensemen. Luckily the bottom pair can be sheltered and get limited minutes, so not nearly as big of a problem.

It made enough sense for you to understand it was half of the defense. Kind of an irrelevant thing to even mention.

If we want to compare to forwards, it’s the equivalent of losing 2 middle-6 forwards, and 4 bottom-6 forwards. And Soucy & Cole may have been on the 3rd pairing, but they were still significant players. They ate a decent amount of minutes & it’s a lot easier to shelter a forward line than a defensive pair.