Proposal: Tor - NJ

[Smitty426]

To be fair the only reason he didn't sign with us is because we had center depth already with Nico, Zacha, Henrique and Zajac at the time. He was pretty open about it.

He wanted to sign with a team where he had more of an opportunity.

Great, stay in Toranta

 

[Smitty426]

Pass. The leafs literally had the choice between them this off-season, they kept there "guy".

And yet you want to move "your guy"

 

[HBK27]

Dubas has stated he's looking to add players on expiring contracts, given the flat cap and upcoming expansion draft.

Devils have 8 pending UFA's on their roster, yet we're talking about them possibly moving their 23-year old team leading point producer or their 24-year old team leading goal scorer?

 

[Bloomberg]

Dubas has stated he's looking to add players on expiring contracts, given the flat cap and upcoming expansion draft.

Devils have 8 pending UFA's on their roster, yet we're talking about them possibly moving their 23-year old team leading point producer or their 24-year old team leading goal scorer?

He'll also do hockey deals, expiring contracts are maybe easier because teams maybe are willing to retain to make trades work. Miles Wood is 25. If I'm in New Jerseys position, I'll be scared to turn into Edmonton. I'd be looking to deal some young forwards for young D. Sandin is a really good piece, but as Blackjack has mentioned New Jersey is pretty good at LHD, and if you draft Power or Hughes this year that's makes the group even better.

What about:

Liljegren, Engvall
for
Zacha, Maltsev or Kuokkanen

 

[TOGuy14]

Sandin is not the kind of prospect you trade for bottom six guys

 

[Puckclektr]

Sandin is not the kind of prospect you trade for bottom six guys

Zacha has over twice as many points as Andreas Johnson who virtually every leaf fan considered a top six last year in Toronto.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

And yet you want to move "your guy"

Not exactly, it's not that simple.
Kerfot is a good player inherently, I think people are taking it as he sucks for two reasons. One like you mentioned he's in every trade. And two is that he has a 3.5 mil cap hit.
Kerfoot is a fine player but if you could upgrade to forsberg you do it.

The leafs don't have to move him and he's a good piece. But if we can find a better piece why not? If we are trading him his value isn't that high however. Like I said its not cause he's not good its cause teams trading the better player are not going to care. To them he and rightfully so is to make cap work. If kerfoot was making a million dollars. We wouldn't be having this convo.

 

[My3Sons]

He'll also do hockey deals, expiring contracts are maybe easier because teams maybe are willing to retain to make trades work. Miles Wood is 25. If I'm in New Jerseys position, I'll be scared to turn into Edmonton. I'd be looking to deal some young forwards for young D. Sandin is a really good piece, but as Blackjack has mentioned New Jersey is pretty good at LHD, and if you draft Power or Hughes this year that's makes the group even better.

What about:

Liljegren, Engvall
for
Zacha, Maltsev or Kuokkanen

I don't think Engvall holds much value for NJ. He's more of what they already have to a large degree. If TOR was willing to move Lilljegren for any combo of expiring UFAs I'm sure NJ would be all ears but TOR wouldn't seem to have cap and Palmieri and Zajac have trade protection (partial in the case of Palmieri). Maybe there is a fit with Lilljegren and Maltsev but NJ is getting NHL contributions from Zacha and Kuokkanen and both still have upside so I doubt either would get moved for a promising but still unproven prospect. I doubt TOR would move Lilljegren for a 3C sort of player in the case of Maltsev. It just doesn't seem to be a great fit.

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

Zacha has over twice as many points as Andreas Johnson who virtually every leaf fan considered a top six last year in Toronto.

Eh he was a mid 6. AJ did have a 20 goal season and 15 goal paced season but he should never be played as a top option. He had tons of hype from leaf fans due to dominating the AHL and winning the calder cup MVP. Gotta remember, until the Raptors we hadn't won anything even slightly significant since like 1993.

 

[Smitty426]

Not exactly, it's not that simple.
Kerfot is a good player inherently, I think people are taking it as he sucks for two reasons. One like you mentioned he's in every trade. And two is that he has a 3.5 mil cap hit.
Kerfoot is a fine player but if you could upgrade to forsberg you do it.

The leafs don't have to move him and he's a good piece. But if we can find a better piece why not? If we are trading him his value isn't that high however. Like I said its not cause he's not good its cause teams trading the better player are not going to care. To them he and rightfully so is to make cap work. If kerfoot was making a million dollars. We wouldn't be having this convo.

I would agree, good but overpaid

 

[Puckclektr]

Eh he was a mid 6. AJ did have a 20 goal season and 15 goal paced season but he should never be played as a top option. He had tons of hype from leaf fans due to dominating the AHL and winning the calder cup MVP. Gotta remember, until the Raptors we hadn't won anything even slightly significant since like 1993.

Probably was a mid six. But my point is that the vast majority called him top 6. Then to claim Zacha as a bottom six forward when he is out scoring Johnsson by a huge margin is quite laughable.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Does Toronto want Andreas Johnsson back? Straight swap for Kerfoot?

Perhaps if Kerfoot was Kerhands.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

I like Sandin, but I really like what I’ve seen from Wood and Zacha this year.

Pass.

what's the asking price for Palmieri?

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

Probably was a mid six. But my point is that the vast majority called him top 6. Then to claim Zacha as a bottom six forward when he is out scoring Johnsson by a huge margin is quite laughable.

In general people on this website seem to overvalue their own players while diminishing the value of players on other teams. In all fairness though, I would not want to move Sandin in a trade where the main return is Zacha. Just my opinion mostly due to the Leafs having great C depth.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Zacha has over twice as many points as Andreas Johnson who virtually every leaf fan considered a top six last year in Toronto.

We'll give you two Andersons for him, sounds good.

 

[Boondock]

To be fair the only reason he didn't sign with us is because we had center depth already with Nico, Zacha, Henrique and Zajac at the time. He was pretty open about it.

He wanted to sign with a team where he had more of an opportunity.

So now that they've added Hughes to that list what now makes NJ a more viable option?

 

[Boondock]

Not exactly, it's not that simple.
Kerfot is a good player inherently, I think people are taking it as he sucks for two reasons. One like you mentioned he's in every trade. And two is that he has a 3.5 mil cap hit.
Kerfoot is a fine player but if you could upgrade to forsberg you do it.

The leafs don't have to move him and he's a good piece. But if we can find a better piece why not? If we are trading him his value isn't that high however. Like I said its not cause he's not good its cause teams trading the better player are not going to care. To them he and rightfully so is to make cap work. If kerfoot was making a million dollars. We wouldn't be having this convo.

This is true of almost every player and deal is a cap league. If Lucic or Eriksson were making $1million they wouldn't be in the conversations they're in either. You can't separate the contract from the player when discussing value. Kerfoot for this season and 2 more @$3.5 doesn't offer a lot of value especially to a team like NJ. Kerfoot doesn't suck, but he isn't good value either. It also has a lot to do with term. Kerfoot at $3.5 for this season is easy for a team to absorb especially as a cap balancing move, but now having that contract on the books for the next 2 seasons as well greatly changes a teams willingness to bring him in. I also don't know what an inherently good player is?

 

[Guttersniped]

So now that they've added Hughes to that list what now makes NJ a more viable option?

Zajac is 35, Henrique was traded, Zacha is in this trade proposal and Kerfoot doesn’t have a choice now?

I don’t see why Toronto trades for Zacha though, they would probably be looking for a two center with better defense for their 3rd line, not a center with worse 5v5 defense than Kerfoot.

 

[Boondock]

Zajac is 35, Henrique was traded, Zacha is in this trade proposal and Kerfoot doesn’t have a choice now?

I don’t see why Toronto trades for Zacha though, they would probably be looking for a two center with better defense for their 3rd line, not a center with worse 5v5 defense than Kerfoot.

With this said, NJ would love Kerfoot and his $3.5 over the next 2- 1/2 seasons. Despite the fact he refused to sign with them.

 

[Guttersniped]

With this said, NJ would love Kerfoot and his $3.5 over the next 2- 1/2 seasons. Despite the fact he refused to sign with them.

The trade doesn’t make sense for Toronto or New Jersey. As someone else pointed out, it’s doesn’t make sense for a young team to trade a young roster player for a random spare center who will be 27 in August. Zacha isn’t a useful player for a team trying to be a contender right now that could use a real 3rd line center.

I also don’t think it’s particularly important that Kerfoot signed somewhere else in 2017, especially since that team traded his ass. He wanted more opportunity at center to make the NHL at the time and it worked.

 

[Boondock]

The trade doesn’t make sense for Toronto or New Jersey. As someone else pointed out, it’s doesn’t make sense for a young team to trade a young roster player for a random spare center who will be 27 in August. Zacha isn’t a useful player for a team trying to be a contender right now that could use a real 3rd line center.

I also don’t think it’s particularly important that Kerfoot signed somewhere else in 2017, especially since that team traded his ass.

I would not want to bring a player back that scorned my team once. Especially not a player like Kerfoot. I can't imagine Devils ownership would be excited to pay $7+ million for a player that refused to sign out of college causing them to lose an asset for nothing. If it was Crosby or McDavid you make an exception, for Kerfoot you stick to your guns.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Does Toronto want Andreas Johnsson back? Straight swap for Kerfoot?

probably won't happen but I would from the Leafs side

Ilya Mik not Kerfoot

cap constraints make this not feasible, also no from the Leafs.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Out-of-town fans probably aren’t aware that a good chunk of Zacha’s upticked production this year has come on the wing.

He obviously has a large body of work at center, and the confidence he’s gained would probably translate if he switched back to center, but I wouldn’t acquire him to exclusively be a center. You’re going to want to have some sort of roster flexibility to maximize his role.

 

[Guttersniped]

I would not want to bring a player back that scorned my team once. Especially not a player like Kerfoot. I can't imagine Devils ownership would be excited to pay $7+ million for a player that refused to sign out of college causing them to lose an asset for nothing. If it was Crosby or McDavid you make an exception, for Kerfoot you stick to your guns.

It wouldn’t effect my judgement, it’s a bummer to lose NCAA but they get to make that choice. He likely sees himself as something more then just an “asset”.

I don’t really care about or want Kerfoot, I guess this is coming up because with the cap crunch there are are a limited number of teams that will take that contract off of Toronto’s hands. I wouldn’t give up good assets for Kerfoot, they would actually have to make it worth our while. He’s not that much of a goal scorer and that’s mostly what the Devils would be interested in, particularly if the player is 5’10” 175 lbs.

 

[Bloomberg]

Zajac is 35, Henrique was traded, Zacha is in this trade proposal and Kerfoot doesn’t have a choice now?

I don’t see why Toronto trades for Zacha though, they would probably be looking for a two center with better defense for their 3rd line, not a center with worse 5v5 defense than Kerfoot.

Zacha is going to the top line with Zacha - Matthews - Marner. The key piece of the trade was actually Sandin from Toronto, Kerfoot is for cap reason for the trade to work but apparently RHD is more of a need for NJ.

So maybe

Liljegren, Kerfoot, Engvall
for
Zacha, Maltsev