Confirmed with Link: [TOR/CAR] Patrick Marleau, Top 10 Protected 2020 1st & 2020 7th to CAR for 2020 6th Rounder

[PuckMagi]

He only wants SJ. The only option was to trade him to a team that will buy him out so he could re-sign with SJ for the minimum or just retire.

which is why we all assumed there was a handshake agreement to allow for a trade in the 3rd year. Since this obviously wasn't the case, Lou is just an idiot and for some reason didn't understand the cap crunch we would be under in his 3rd year.

 

[Warden of the North]

Unprecedented dramatic overpayments are unprecedented dramatic overpayments, regardless of age.

Sure, if you entirely ignore the part about Matthews deal having precedent.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Salary for 19/20 currently at $68,000,000.00. looks like Andreas and Kappy at 3.5 each = 75,000,000.00
Move out Z and Brown less 6.6m= 68.6, add Kessell retention =69.7m , add Marner @10.5M = 80.2M
Our D is Mo, Muzz, Holl, And Dermott. And stiil to add another forward or two.
We are still in bad shape. More heads to roll. Marner will fetch a top 4 D plus. It is the only logical move.
Help me if I am missing something

Keep Marner. Trade Nylander, or Kadri and Brown.

 

[BigBlu]

Steep price but if you want to get rid of the worst winger in the league at that price tag, it's going to be expensive.

I'm surprised teams didn't demand Matthews to sweeten the pot.

Sorry, haven't read the thread... did Carolina agree to pay the bonus as well?? tia

 

[hockeywiz542]

Bittersweet Marleau trade clears millions for Leafs to sign Marner - Sportsnet.ca

Marleau’s departure does not assure another potential trade chip like Connor Brown, Nikita Zaitsev and Nazem Kadri won’t follow him out the door, but it does increase Dubas’s cap space to roughly $14 million and allows the young executive to exhale a little when he flies east.

Kasperi Kapanen will reportedly snatch about $3.3 million of that space on his forthcoming three-year bridge deal. Expect fellow RFA Andreas Johnsson’s AAV to land in the same ballpark on a reported four-year term.

That only leaves a hair over $7 million for top scorer Marner and whoever Dubas can find to play defence in 2019-20, as UFAs Jake Gardiner and Ron Hainsey prepare to field pitches from opposing teams Sunday.

There is more work to be done here, and it’ll be done without the solace that comes with first-round blue-chippers in the queue.

Remember, Dubas traded his 2019 first-rounder to L.A. for Jake Muzzin, and now Muzzin — Toronto’s best stay-at-home defender under contract — is entering his walk year.

It’s interesting to note that in both the Muzzin and Marleau deals, Dubas held tight to the exciting young talent already in the system (Rasmus Sandin, Jeremy Bracco, et al.), opting instead to deal away faceless picks and push any issue with bare cupboards down the road.

 

[Warden of the North]

which is why we all assumed there was a handshake agreement to allow for a trade in the 3rd year. Since this obviously wasn't the case, Lou is just an idiot and for some reason didn't understand the cap crunch we would be under in his 3rd year.

While im annoyed at the contract and what it took to move him, a couple things happened. For one, Mitch is wildly better then anyone had projected him to be at this point. Two, the cap has stalled.

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Will you ever just stop and relax a little?

No, no he will not. This guy has been frothing at the mouth about the Matthews and Nylander contracts multiple times every day since they've been signed, he's beyond unhinged, best to ignore.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I’m confused by it as well.

A protected first for all that money? How much exactly will it cost them?

Rumour is Carolina had a Zamboni for sale. Price? $3M.

SBA needed a new one.

 

[Gabriel426]

which is why we all assumed there was a handshake agreement to allow for a trade in the 3rd year. Since this obviously wasn't the case, Lou is just an idiot and for some reason didn't understand the cap crunch we would be under in his 3rd year.

Or he knows he will be gone and just want to screw with Shanny.
Honestly, when Marleau was signed, they didn’t know they would have sign JT.

 

[Woodman19]

which is why we all assumed there was a handshake agreement to allow for a trade in the 3rd year. Since this obviously wasn't the case, Lou is just an idiot and for some reason didn't understand the cap crunch we would be under in his 3rd year.

No one knew we were going to have Tavares' $11 million thrown into the mix to "ruin" the plans.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

The funniest and saddest part of this is that we just gave up a ****ing 1st round pick to get rid of a $6 million player with only 1 year left on his contract that was actually still logging significant PO minutes right until the end this year.

Goes to show how clueless Babcock really is. How can you make this move as a GM basically making an admission that this player is garbage, yet be okay with your coach giving him those significant PO minutes.

Tis a conundrum isn't it?

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Marleau couldn't teach Matthews to wear socks with formal wear? What a failure.

 

[ShaneFalco]

The funniest and saddest part of this is that we just gave up a ****ing 1st round pick to get rid of a $6 million player with only 1 year left on his contract that was actually still logging significant PO minutes right until the end this year.

Goes to show how clueless Babcock really is. How can you make this move as a GM basically making an admission that this player is garbage, yet be okay with your coach giving him those significant PO minutes.

Wisers clap

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Sure, if you entirely ignore the part about Matthews deal having precedent.

No it doesn’t. His career high was 74 points. I don’t care about his 3v3 overtime secondary assists per 60 and other such nonsense. It’s flat out unprecedented for a player with his actual REAL numbers to sign at that cap percentage.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[BigBlu]

Headline at torontomapleleafs.com :

"Leafs trade Marleau to Carolina for Draft Pick"

 

[Rob Brown]

Surely Mitch feels a bit badly now that his greed helped cause these issues?

 

[PuckMagi]

No one knew we were going to have Tavares' $11 million thrown into the mix to "ruin" the plans.

The plan should never have been to keep Marleau for the 3rd year unless he was playing amazing (which we all knew was very unlikely).

Even in his first year here, Marleau wasn't worth that cap hit. But for the Leafs, it didn't really matter what his cap hit was in the last 2 years because we had so much extra cap space. We had the money to overpay vets in the last two years. So the last two years of his contract weren't an issue. If we didn't have him, it probably would have just been wasted cap space anyways. But we knew that we would need this money in the 3rd year of his contract. Even if we didn't sign Tavares, we still need that cap space for other players. For this season and every season from here on in, every penny counts. It was just stupid and irresponsible to sign Marleau to that third year without a plan in place to get rid of the contract for a cheap price.

 

[Mess]

 

[BigBlu]

Don't worry Pierre, we still get to lose a "good young player" to Seattle.

 

[Warden of the North]

Surely Mitch feels a bit badly now that his greed helped cause these issues?

Even if Mitch took an unrealistic number like 7m we'd still have to trade Patty

 

[Slyfox]

Marleau wasn't an NHL player on a contending team last year. He had a good game here and there but when you look at Boston and St. Louis's 4th liners they all are better players than Marleau who is going to only get significantly worse next year like he did this year.

 

[Rob Brown]

Even if Mitch took an unrealistic number like 7m we'd still have to trade Patty

I know, but you have to think it's weighing on him a bit. They were very close.

 

[BigBlu]

Marleau and a 1st to gain the ability to keep Johnsson and Kapanen. Seems worth it to me.

Except we just saved players we can now lose in the expansion draft. Obviously, given the crap we were in, it was the only option. But the Marleau contract was so bad that it didn't just cost us a 1st round pick... it cost us a 1st round pick we could have used to buy off Seattle.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Mike Babcock on Patrick Marleau's exit: "Patty is a good man... I believe he was a big part in recruiting John Tavares" | Maple Leafs Hotstove

How will you look back on Patrick Marleau’s legacy in the two seasons you had him in this club?

Babcock: Obviously, Patty is a good man. We acquired him for a reason — to help us. I believe he was a big part in recruiting John Tavares. There are so many things to it. Obviously, this is a situation where he is going to move somewhere else and pursue his career. Ideally, it would be a good situation for him and his family, wherever he gets to go. We just thank him.

Where do you see the team shaping up on that left flank now with losing Marleau and Hyman maybe not being ready?

Babcock: Mikheyev, obviously, is going to be a big part of our hockey club here. That will be part. The bottom line is that’s why we have training camp. We’ve got lots of time, right? When I look around and see where it is at right now, this freed up a bunch of cap space which we needed. Now we go from here.

How did he take it that you guys really did need him to leave to free up that cap space?

Babcock: You’d have to talk to Duby about that. Obviously, he’s not a kid. He is a man. There have been lots of conversations between he and Kyle to get to where he wanted to go. Patty has been a big part of it.