Hockey Outsider said:
1. You're taking age into account for Plante but not Hasek. Hardly seems fair.
Plante was 44, Hasek turned 41 near the end of the season. To me that is a big difference, once you get past 35 every year is a big difference, let alone 3-4 years.
2. Plante was one of the best goalie in the league when healthy too. In 1973 Plante was 5th in the league in save percentage and 7th in GAA on a very bad team. (Minimum 1000 minutes).
I did not say he was not good anymore, it was their choice to make him a backup goalie.
He was still not demoted to backup behind a mediocre(at best)goalie after having the best stats in the league as Hasek had earlier in the year playing as the starting goalie however. That just shows Hasek is not as highly regarded that one would feel acceptable to do this.
3. Emery in 2006 at least as good as Ron Low.
I did not say he was any worse then Low, my point was that he is not that much better, if any better considering his inexperience.
Yes, he retired due to stress. A large portion of this came from that fact that he had to, for the first time in his career, share starts with another goalie. The toll was too much for poor Terry, and he retired.
First of all you called him the backup goalie, so you are already changing your stance somewhat. Secondly even your altered stance is still an exagerration on your part, he wasnt getting to play every game, but he was still playing atleast 2 out of every 3 games, he was far ahead in games played for the year when he left. Like I said even missing a good portion of the year he ended the regular season with more games played then Simmons had.
If being too physically injured to play is enough to keep Hasek off your top ten, then being too emotionally injured to play should be enough to keep Sawchuk off as well.
Sorry but I dont get that. All the stories I have read on Sawchuk had him leaving the game temporarily for extreme stress that were causing heart and stomach problems. It was not due to extreme demotion of his role, which was still far more a starters role then you seem to believe it was. I never read that he was emotionaly injured in any way.
I'm aware of those omissions. I think Hall is lock for the top five and Fuhr and Parent should both rank around 8th to 12th. I hope you're not leaving them off simply because they were backups to lesser goalies past their prime.
No I had left them off anyway. The fact that they were backup goalies in their careers did not need to come into consideration for me since they were already off my list anyway.
They were platoon starters in a sense, but Bannerman got more starts in both the regular season and (more importantly) the playoffs.
3 more starts in the regular season as in 41-38, forgive me if that is not a sufficient enough difference to define a starter. Yes in the playoffs it was 8-5, but usually a backup does not play at all in the playoffs barring replacing an underperforming goalie.
Anyway, we both have different ways of rating players. I'm primarily concerned about how good they were in their prime. You seem to think that a single bad season as an injured-riddled 40+ year old automatically prevents them from being a top-ten player. To each his own.
Fair enough.