Thrasher prospects rated #6??!

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  1. Peter James Bond

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    After Lehtonen, Coburn and Valabik, the rest of these propects are suspect at BEST. Slater is their best forward prospect and he may not even play in the NHL. Even Valabik is a project.

    How could they be rated as the 6th best organization?

    Realistically, they should be 20th, or so. See for yourself. Please explain as to what I have missed?

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=7116&mode=threaded&order=0

    What the?

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/orgrankings.php

    The best I could figure, is that the writer of the Thrashers list, is ALSO the EDITOR to which all stories are submitted:

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/contactus.php
     
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    If you're going to complain, start with Montreal being #1.
     
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    I do agree with you though, but star power is as important, if not more important, than depth. Few teams have both future impact players AND great prospect depth. You don't really need both because you can pick up depth other ways if necessary.

    Lehtonen is probably the main factor in Atlanta being ranked 6th.
     
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    Also, it is widely held on the boards that the organizational rankings simply aren't that well done.
     
  5. Ajacied

    Ajacied Stay strong Appie! ❤

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    The ranking methods are quite flawed at times, they tend to overrate the organisations with high end talent while underrating the organisations with strictly depth.

    Atlanta is a prime example. After Coburn and Lehtonen (who's even on the verge of graduating), they're quite average at best.
     
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    Leave us alone :cry:

    We've got two of the top ten prospects, which is more than you can say for anybody else (except Buffalo).. And having the No. 1 prospect has to get you somewhere.

    rob_paxon also brings up a good point, star power is more important than depth when it comes to prospects, in my opinion anyway.
     
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  7. Peter Sidorkiewicz

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    As an Atlanta fan I am suprised that we are ranked that high but I can tell you that their are no question marks on whether Jim Slater can make it the NHL. He is worthy of his top prospect status considering the past two good seasons he has had in college (especially his last season). If Slater did decide to join Atlanta next season (he is currently going back to college to play in his senior year) he would probably slot into the no.2 or 3 spot, and will definately get a long look at centering Kovalchuk. In terms of the other players I agree that you could probably question every player on the list after no. 6 whether they have got the ability to play regularly in the NHL.
     
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    You must have really been eye balling the number 12 spot. Don't worry a couple more losing seasons and your beloved Kings will be right where you want them on the org. rankings.
     
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    Updated February 9th, 2004
     
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    Also, Atlanta does not need to be anywhere near top 10 to be good.

    Look at Ilya and danny, how old are they again?

    Those 2 will carry the team for the next 10 years, and thats plenty of time to stack up some very good prospects.
     
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    I don't think this thread really dignifies a response, however, I will point out that no one from the Atlanta page (nor the Montreal page for that matter) was on the committee last time the organizations were ranked. I have enough on my plate without also serving on these committees.

    Yes it is indeed true that top end talent goes a long way in these rankings, as it should. When an organization has two prospects in the top 10, it's going to be hard for them not to be ranked highly.
     
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    Who cares, really?

    It is all speculative anyway. #6, #20 #1? WTFC?

    All I know is that if there is a season, the Thrashers' 2 top prospects will be filling two important holes on the NHL club. The prospect quality will then slip--which is what I hope happens every year! :shakehead

    I would gladly trade all of it for a Cup.
     
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    Montreal #1? HAHAHA.
     
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    Looking back at February of 2004, who would you have had as number one?
     
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    montreal didnt have flashy prospect still doesnt have a superstar potential other than kostitsyn but still we have the most nhl ready prospect in the league imo.

    perezhogin
    higgins
    plekanec
    hossa
    hainsey

    all those players were alsmost nhl ready but didnt get their chances or just 1 - 2 games. ithink thats what made a difference at the time. now they wouldnt be rank no1 specially when we say in montreal 3-4 players would normally graduate. also we have a couple of underated or overlooked players like duncan milroy who can still become an excellent player i mean we have so much depth there is player who cant even find a spot in the ahl and are playing in the echl despite still being consider prospects by the habs. anyway i just wanted to defend my team a bit. :innocent:
     
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    What is so funny with that? With the last draft, we are not number one anymore but we are still in the top five. We have many NHL ready prospects and a great depht in every position. The only thing we don't have is size...

    And you have to think that we have some great prospect who just gratuated...Komisarek would have been our number one prospect and Ryder would have been in our top 10...
     
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    Montreal have a very good bunch of prospects, from every positions, which is not the case for the majority of the teams, plus all the ones graduated to the team, Do you know a lot of teams who have this depth of young prospects who can becomes superstars, sure that after the draft, they should not remains
    #1 but still in the top 3
     
  18. Teemu

    Teemu Trick question?

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    Theres two major flaws.

    #1. A lot can happen in a year. Plus, prospects graduate.

    #2. Generally, the writers know tons about their own prospects, but can be shaky when it comes to other teams. Overhyping of prospects happens quite frequently here, and no one really has the time to go out and see or keep up with every prospect on every team. Therefore, whoever is hyped at the time of the releasing will get higher than deserving grades. At the time of the last releasing, Komisarek and Hainsey were the defensive gods of the future, but most people have come back to earth on them
     
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  20. Peter James Bond

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    Well, we've got two jokes on you:

    #1 - You signed Modry. He's horrid. Giveaways galore and he doesn't play the body AT ALL.

    #2 - You selected Valabik over Tukonen! Your entire scouting staff should be fired over that major blunder.

    Valabik's upside: a meaner version of:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/profile?statsId=2915

    Tukonen's upside:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/profile?statsId=1103

    Tukonen was dominating his junior league two years ago and playing in the Finish Elite League at 16.

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect.php?pid=3895

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/draft/draft04/tracker/player?playerId=296

    Valabik was a slightly better than average defenseman this year in JUNIORS.
    Close your eyes and think of Norris Trophy finalist Zdeno Chara. Then open them and your dreaming.
    "He is very competitive," said a scout. "He is a clone of Chara and I know a lot of guys who are kicking themselves when they passed on Chara. There's a lot of projection, though...a lot"
     
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    Why don't we wait more than a month after the draft to decide whether Valabik or Tukonen is the better pick? Let's give it four or five years, OK? Atlanta wasn't the only team to pass on the "Sure Fire Top Five Pick" Lauri Tukonen.

    The Modry quip has nothing to do with the topic of this thread you started and suggests you're not upset about Atlanta's ranking but that you have some other axe to grind with the Thrashers for some reason.

    Back on topic, I'll take two bluechip studs over six better-than-average prospects, especially if one of those bluechippers is Kari Lehtonen. I wouldn't trade Lehtonen alone for most teams' prospect pools.
     
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    HA HA HA Ha Ha Ha ha ha ha, oh wait what is so funny? I would wait a few years before you start telling the second joke. The patience might save you some embarrassment if the future world you live in doesn't come to fruitation. My main point is why be jealous of the Thrashers. We are a team that has yet to hit the .500 mark. So it has been much easier for our team to collect a few top end prospects which is the only explanation for our ranking. A ranking that is somewhat a dubious honor as many of the teams in the top of the rankings seem to have been on the losing side of things in the past couple of years. So while you continue to hope to top the charts in org. rankings. I will continue to hope that we finally get a playoff birth as the next year takes it's turn.
     
  23. degroat*

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    ...like prematurely graduating the Blues' best prospect to make them lower in the rankings.
     
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    Sejna
     
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