GDT: There's Totally A Game Today (Phi/Cgy 6pm MST)

[Zirakzigil]

Gutsy win. Happy for Hube. Glad to end 2023 on a winning note.

 

[BobColesNasalCavity]

Markstrom played good tnite. The ghost of Mangiapane made an appearance. Hope for more in 2024

 

[Tofveve]

Austin Watson in also his 500th NHL game today . . . With Blake Coleman's previous team, the Tampa Bay Lightning . . . Also scores. Wut.

 

[super6646]

Glad huberdeau got a point. He’s looked better as of late. I mean, still nowhere near good enough, but still.

Happy new year’s guys and gals (let’s be real mostly the former here haha). Let’s hope for a better year with hockey.

 

[joescores]

Only watched highlights as I got a bit drunk last night. Huberdeau looked more ignited and so was Mangiapanne.

Coleman is one beast of a player, really glad Huska has been rewarding him with a 1st PP. Such a great coach, team is always trying- liked Gilbert. Good stuff fellas and a Happy belated New Year to all of ya.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Markstrom isn’t a bad goalie but he might be the most unfocused one I’ve seen play for us. From 1st shot goals to backbreakers like that Kraken gamewinner and now the Philly 3rd one.

He’d probably fit the Leafs like a glove with all the high danger chances they give up

Guy has a 2.02 GAA and a .932 save percentage since coming back from injury, and posters will still find a reason to complain about him. This time a high slot tip that completely changed the pucks direction means Markstrom must’ve been picking daisies if he couldn’t save it. Really goes to show people see what they want to see.

 

[Mobiandi]

Guy has a 2.02 GAA and a .932 save percentage since coming back from injury, and posters will still find a reason to complain about him. This time a high slot tip that completely changed the pucks direction means Markstrom must’ve been picking daisies if he couldn’t save it. Really goes to show people see what they want to see.

So… a 5 game sample size? Mostly propped up by his only shutout of the year against the hapless Ducks. Because in his last 3, Markstrom has pitched us an .879, .905, and .903 which is where his overall numbers have been hovering all season.

Expectations have shifted in the NHL with .900/5 being the new .915, so I don’t understand how anyone can conclude that Markstrom is giving us anything more than average goaltending. He makes some tough saves and then also loses his concentration with some terrible goals within the same game.

In games where Markstrom is faced with 25 or fewer shots, he is 4-3-1 with an .892. That’s just middle-of-the-road goaltending

He’s been ok, just like most of this roster. It’s why we’re sitting at 15-16-5 with Coleman and Weegar as our runaway MVPs.

 

[Anglesmith]

So… a 5 game sample size? Mostly propped up by his only shutout of the year against the hapless Ducks. Because in his last 3, Markstrom has pitched us an .879, .905, and .903 which is where his overall numbers have been hovering all season.

Expectations have shifted in the NHL with .900/5 being the new .915, so I don’t understand how anyone can conclude that Markstrom is giving us anything more than average goaltending. He makes some tough saves and then also loses his concentration with some terrible goals within the same game.

In games where Markstrom is faced with 25 or fewer shots, he is 4-3-1 with an .892. That’s just middle-of-the-road goaltending

He’s been ok, just like most of this roster. It’s why we’re sitting at 15-16-5 with Coleman and Weegar as our runaway MVPs.

Why is taking out the shutout a reasonable way to analyze this stretch of games?

The GWG by Seattle was certainly a true bad goal. Luckily that isn't the norm with Markstrom.

 

[Yepthatsme]

So… a 5 game sample size? Mostly propped up by his only shutout of the year against the hapless Ducks. Because in his last 3, Markstrom has pitched us an .879, .905, and .903 which is where his overall numbers have been hovering all season.

Expectations have shifted in the NHL with .900/5 being the new .915, so I don’t understand how anyone can conclude that Markstrom is giving us anything more than average goaltending. He makes some tough saves and then also loses his concentration with some terrible goals within the same game.

In games where Markstrom is faced with 25 or fewer shots, he is 4-3-1 with an .892. That’s just middle-of-the-road goaltending

He’s been ok, just like most of this roster. It’s why we’re sitting at 15-16-5 with Coleman and Weegar as our runaway MVPs.

“If you remove his good games, he really hasn’t been good” energy there.

For the same reason a reasonable viewer can discern that Joel Hofer (.911) isn’t an equally talented goalie as Shesterkin (.911) and Sorokin (.912). Context. One of my favorite litmus tests is “But how do their backups do?” And Markstrom aces that.

Markstrom 2.73 GAA
Vladar 3.40 GAA
Wolf 3.46 GAA

Our team almost lets in a goal less a game when Markstrom plays compared to any other goalie, showing that’s he putting up pretty great results relative to the situation we are putting him in.

On a side note, and sorry because this will really grind your gears, I’d put Hanifin as our team MVP on defense before Weegar.

 

[Mobiandi]

“If you remove his good games, he really hasn’t been good” energy there.

For the same reason a reasonable viewer can discern that Joel Hofer (.911) isn’t an equally talented goalie as Shesterkin (.911) and Sorokin (.912). Context. One of my favorite litmus tests is “But how do their backups do?” And Markstrom aces that.

Markstrom 2.73 GAA
Vladar 3.40 GAA
Wolf 3.46 GAA

Our team almost lets in a goal less a game when Markstrom plays compared to any other goalie, showing that’s he putting up pretty great results relative to the situation we are putting him in.

On a side note, and sorry because this will really grind your gears, I’d put Hanifin as our team MVP on defense before Weegar.

It’s a shutout against the Ducks, who are 29th in goals. Cool.

The team still finds a way to win with Vladar in net (5-4-2). It’s not like we have Kiprusoff era splits where the backup would give us .850s on a good day. An ongoing observation by many Flames fans is that Vladar gets more run support. I’d argue the skaters recognize that there are differences between the two goalies and adjust their playstyle based on the two.

Ironically, I’d say that Markstrom does better in much less structured settings with more chaos so the team should probably loosen up with him than Vladar.

Looking at this year’s goalies:

For those dragging their teams to big heights, look no further than Talbot, Hart, Hellebuyck, Demko, Ingram.

If we want to discuss goalies being failed by their team, we can look at Joey Daccord, Saros, or Sorokin.

Markstrom hasn’t been at their levels this season. He’d probably be ideal for a team like the Leafs or Canes right now who are being derailed by minor-league level goaltending

 

[Yepthatsme]

It’s a shutout against the Ducks, who are 29th in goals. Cool.

The team still finds a way to win with Vladar in net (5-4-2). It’s not like we have Kiprusoff era splits where the backup would give us .850s on a good day. An ongoing observation by many Flames fans is that Vladar gets more run support. I’d argue the skaters recognize that there are differences between the two goalies and adjust their playstyle based on the two.

Ironically, I’d say that Markstrom does better in much less structured settings with more chaos so the team should probably loosen up with him than Vladar.

Looking at this year’s goalies:

For those dragging their teams to big heights, look no further than Talbot, Hart, Hellebuyck, Demko, Ingram.

If we want to discuss goalies being failed by their team, we can look at Joey Daccord, Saros, or Sorokin.

Markstrom hasn’t been at their levels this season. He’d probably be ideal for a team like the Leafs or Canes right now who are being derailed by minor-league level goaltending

“We score more goals because Vladar is a better goaltender”. I’m done with this topic if this is the mental gymnastics you’ll go to to say why Markstrom having .700 less goals against actually might be a bad thing, that somehow the teams score less because of Markstrom’s play.

For reasonable people reading along, Markstrom faces 28 shots per game, Vladar 28 shots per game, and Wolf 29 shots per game.

 

[Mobiandi]

“We score more goals because Vladar is a better goaltender”. I’m done with this topic if this is the mental gymnastics you’ll go to to say why Markstrom having .700 less goals against actually might be a bad thing, that somehow the teams score less because of Markstrom’s play.

For reasonable people reading along, Markstrom faces 28 shots per game, Vladar 28 shots per game, and Wolf 29 shots per game.

- Markstrom is an average starter who is highly prone to lapses in concentration despite having the ability to make difficult saves
- The team isn’t much worse off with Vladar in net

Two controversial takes with mental gymnastics for the 25th placed Calgary Flames

 

[deleted user]

Glad we pulled it off. Perhaps Mangiapane goes on a bit of a heater. I really wouldn't mind seeing that happen. A rising Bread Man. Yes, make it so.